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8/16/11 4:45 PM
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I think consistently and persistently doing the drills and exercises of boxing that develop rhythm is probably the best thing to do. These drills and exercises have already been mentioned in this thread.

In regards to do dancing, I don't know if it will help one to be a better boxer "directly" but it will certainly reenforce and deepen those attributes which are being develop via the drills and exercises of boxing.

The activity of dancing is simply moving ones body rhythmatically to music. One doesn't necessarily have to dance a particular style of dance in order to engage in the physical activity. Just turn on some good music and move your body to the rhythm. The more you do it the better you'll become. Heck on could actually do the various drills and exercises of boxing to music and one would be essentially dancing. Dancing isn't so much something one has to really "learn" to do as much as it is something on naturally does when one moves to music. It is just some people don't do it very well whereas others do; and that's mostly because some people just don't do it very often.
8/17/11 2:36 AM
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MIsoldier - Footwork drills - Pivoting, circling, side stepping
Jump Rope
Shadow Boxing

Do about twelve 3 minute rounds 5 days a week for 2-3 years and you should develop some pretty smooth boxing


Good call. Jumping rope is very underrated for helping your footwork.
9/4/11 12:05 PM
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chadk - Wasn't all that long ago that "white" guys were as good as anyone else in boxing. I think it has to do a lot more with economics than skin color. When we had large numbers of Jewish, Irish, and Italian immigrants, we had large numbers of them boxing. Thing was, they were largely poor (as most immigrants tend to be) and boxing seems to be a poor man's sport for the most part. As ethnic groups assimilate and move out of poverty, they get away from boxing and are replaced by the next wave of immigrants.
...Jewish, Irish, and Italians can dance like a mofo Phone Post
9/4/11 5:37 PM
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chadk - Wasn't all that long ago that "white" guys were as good as anyone else in boxing. I think it has to do a lot more with economics than skin color. When we had large numbers of Jewish, Irish, and Italian immigrants, we had large numbers of them boxing. Thing was, they were largely poor (as most immigrants tend to be) and boxing seems to be a poor man's sport for the most part. As ethnic groups assimilate and move out of poverty, they get away from boxing and are replaced by the next wave of immigrants.
...Jewish, Irish, and Italians can dance like a mofo <img src="/images/phone/post_tag.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>


True.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHyL421E21E
9/13/11 10:51 AM
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chadk - Wasn't all that long ago that "white" guys were as good as anyone else in boxing. I think it has to do a lot more with economics than skin color. When we had large numbers of Jewish, Irish, and Italian immigrants, we had large numbers of them boxing. Thing was, they were largely poor (as most immigrants tend to be) and boxing seems to be a poor man's sport for the most part. As ethnic groups assimilate and move out of poverty, they get away from boxing and are replaced by the next wave of immigrants.
...Jewish, Irish, and Italians can dance like a mofo <img src="/images/phone/post_tag.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>


Yep, and so can most European whites, which is I think why you see more of them do well over non-ethnic white Americans.
9/13/11 1:00 PM
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pegson123 - The white equivalent don't go into boxing anymore big they r athletic n skilled they usually end up else where. Phone Post
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9/14/11 11:45 AM
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chadk - Wasn't all that long ago that "white" guys were as good as anyone else in boxing. I think it has to do a lot more with economics than skin color. When we had large numbers of Jewish, Irish, and Italian immigrants, we had large numbers of them boxing. Thing was, they were largely poor (as most immigrants tend to be) and boxing seems to be a poor man's sport for the most part. As ethnic groups assimilate and move out of poverty, they get away from boxing and are replaced by the next wave of immigrants.
...Jewish, Irish, and Italians can dance like a mofo <img src="/images/phone/post_tag.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>


Yep, and so can most European whites, which is I think why you see more of them do well over non-ethnic white Americans.


As someone who lives in Europe, and who travels Europe quite often, it needs to be said that Europeans aren't out dancing all hours either. From Italy to Norway, or Spain to Russia, go into most clubs or bars and most people will be stood around the edges drinking and maybe shuffling their feet a little. Most of the 'traditional' dancing you see will be put on for tourists.
9/14/11 10:09 PM
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ThePoopWizard - Why aren't we good in boxing? Why aren't whites good!? Or at least common we run kick boxing and mma why not boxing ? <img src="/images/phone/post_tag.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>




cause you are a pussy
9/14/11 10:38 PM
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ThePoopWizard - Why aren't we good in boxing? Why aren't whites good!? Or at least common we run kick boxing and mma why not boxing ? <img src="/images/phone/post_tag.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>




cause you are a pussy
Well I'm legally blind albino black girl with a gimp hand and I'm autistic. So yes in a pussy Phone Post
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pegson123 - The white equivalent don't go into boxing anymore big they r athletic n skilled they usually end up else where. <img src="/images/phone/post_tag.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>
I believe this <img src="/images/phone/post_tag.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>


You can say the exact same thing about blacks, though they still do well in boxing. This argument holds no water.
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pegson123 - The white equivalent don't go into boxing anymore big they r athletic n skilled they usually end up else where. <img src="/images/phone/post_tag.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>
I believe this <img src="/images/phone/post_tag.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>


You can say the exact same thing about blacks, though they still do well in boxing. This argument holds no water.
Roy jones jr and mayweather are probably as or more athletic than anyone in the NFL or NBA and they'd knock out all of them Phone Post
9/16/11 6:59 AM
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pegson123 - The white equivalent don't go into boxing anymore big they r athletic n skilled they usually end up else where. <img src="/images/phone/post_tag.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>
I believe this <img src="/images/phone/post_tag.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>


You can say the exact same thing about blacks, though they still do well in boxing. This argument holds no water.
Roy jones jr and mayweather are probably as or more athletic than anyone in the NFL or NBA and they'd knock out all of them <img src="/images/phone/post_tag.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>


RJJ got embarrassed by a white boy though, so that hardly holds water for this thread.
9/16/11 3:07 PM
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 How many white Americans even ATTEMPT boxing? I think much of the problem stems from the fact that white kids aren't being introduced to boxing, and thus they're not developing in the sport from an early age like blacks/hispanics are.

Myself and a couple friends joined a boxing gym recently. It's not in the best neighborhood, but it's also not very far from some nice areas. The three of us are honest to god the only white people that have gone into the gym in the month that I've been going there. 

If you want successful white American boxers...someone has to find a way to actually get them interested in boxing. But they have no white American role models in modern boxing to look up to, so it's something of a vicious cycle...no new blood breeds no role models, no role models prevents new blood.
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HULC - RJJ got embarrassed by a white boy though, so that hardly holds water for this thread.


Surely you're not referring to Calzaghe beating a washed up Roy Jones by decision? After RJJ had already lost to two other opponents by KO?
9/17/11 4:54 PM
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Cracker here. Footwork has never been my thing so I just pretend to be Mexican.
9/17/11 8:35 PM
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Surely you're not referring to Calzaghe beating a washed up Roy Jones by decision? After RJJ had already lost to two other opponents by KO?


People keep downplaying the Calzaghe win, but RJJ was just coming off a victory over Trinidad, and Calzaghe was 36 himself at the time, so not exactly a spring chicken himself.
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RJJ had already lost by KO to Tarver and Glen Johnson.

Beating an older and more shot version of Roy by decision pales in comparison. Especially since Calzaghe managed to get knocked down by him in the process.
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Growing up in a fairly upscale suburb I never once met a single kid who boxed, nor never knew of any boxing clubs/ gyms in my area.

But I took martial arts and knew plenty of other kids who took martial-arts of various kinds.

Which is to say, I agree it is mostly a socioeconomic thing; not too many white kids box.

Like these days BJJ tournaments are overwhelmingly white kids. though it is changing a little, there are still relatively blacks involved in BJJ.
9/22/11 3:01 PM
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PoundforPound - RJJ had already lost by KO to Tarver and Glen Johnson.

Beating an older and more shot version of Roy by decision pales in comparison. Especially since Calzaghe managed to get knocked down by him in the process.


The previous losses were the only reason RJJ was finding it harder to keep dodging real fights. But when he fought Calzaghe he got completely outclassed and embarrassed and was there for the KO any time Calzaghe wanted in the later rounds. RJJ will have his entire career evaluated through the scope of that humiliation.
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PoundforPound - RJJ had already lost by KO to Tarver and Glen Johnson.

Beating an older and more shot version of Roy by decision pales in comparison. Especially since Calzaghe managed to get knocked down by him in the process.


The previous losses were the only reason RJJ was finding it harder to keep dodging real fights. But when he fought Calzaghe he got completely outclassed and embarrassed and was there for the KO any time Calzaghe wanted in the later rounds. RJJ will have his entire career evaluated through the scope of that humiliation.
The fact that you think he was humiliated is humiliating. I have no care in your argument but he's a legend. He lost. Doesn't take anything away. Just like when gsp lost or Tyson or Hughes or Penn. They are legends in their respective sports but legends none the less. Show a little respect fuck Phone Post
9/22/11 3:29 PM
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HULC - The previous losses were the only reason RJJ was finding it harder to keep dodging real fights. But when he fought Calzaghe he got completely outclassed and embarrassed and was there for the KO any time Calzaghe wanted in the later rounds. RJJ will have his entire career evaluated through the scope of that humiliation.


More like the Welshman's entire career will be placed in proper context, since both Johnson and Tarver were able to KO the shell of RJJ.

While Calzaghe wasn't.
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Boxing is considered a vicious sport in any circle.
Irish, Ilalians, Jews did it when they were new to the country. There children got jobs as police, fireman, lawyers, etc and the numbers diminshed.
People of color went into boxing as for the money as well. They stayed in it longer as they and their children still had to deal with discrimination. As laws outlawing discrimination had an effect and as people of color are going to college more, you have a decrease in blacks doing boxing as well.
Now latinos are in the lower weight sports with eastern europeans in heavier weight classes. TRouble is eatern eupropeans are boring fighters.
THe karate/TKD that kids do now are considered hobbies and not a way to a better life. I'm wondering if MMA will become that...
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HULC - The previous losses were the only reason RJJ was finding it harder to keep dodging real fights. But when he fought Calzaghe he got completely outclassed and embarrassed and was there for the KO any time Calzaghe wanted in the later rounds. RJJ will have his entire career evaluated through the scope of that humiliation.


More like the Welshman's entire career will be placed in proper context, since both Johnson and Tarver were able to KO the shell of RJJ.

While Calzaghe wasn't.


Even the papers were saying the next day that Calzaghe eased off in the later round to drag RJJ through to the end. Johnson and Tarver knocked him out, Calzaghe destroyed the RJJ myth forever with a 12 round humiliation.

Besides, Calzaghe cleared out his division then went to his nearest weight classes and cleared them out too. RJJ ducked competition for years and then got defeated when he was forced to face live opponents. Calzaghe's legacy will be much stronger than Roy's.
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LOL @ Calzaghe's legacy being much stronger than Roy's. Are you trolling?

Joe is just lucky that by the time he finally grew a pair and came over to the States both RJJ and Hopkins were over 40.
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HULC - The previous losses were the only reason RJJ was finding it harder to keep dodging real fights. But when he fought Calzaghe he got completely outclassed and embarrassed and was there for the KO any time Calzaghe wanted in the later rounds. RJJ will have his entire career evaluated through the scope of that humiliation.


More like the Welshman's entire career will be placed in proper context, since both Johnson and Tarver were able to KO the shell of RJJ.

While Calzaghe wasn't.
so now he was shot before Glen and Tarver ? Phone Post

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