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8/25/11 4:01 PM
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mid 60's ali before the suspension takes him. only heard legendary stories about burley, i have no real knowledge on him. louis beats johnson, he would force johnson to come out of the cute tricks and actually fight
8/26/11 3:29 PM
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U4EA - 
Chappie - On another note, what the hell happened to Martin Burke? Perhaps he discovered black & white internet porn or those long lost topless photos of the woman that Stantly Ketchel got shot over, but I can't recall seeing him post on here in a few months.


Just been on email with him. He's done posting here. Straight from Le Cheval's mouth...

"Saw your post on the Joe Louis thread on the OG. LOL at how fast people want to shoot down Dempsey.

Tried to contact chappie but I'm not a pro fighter. Wanted to tell him I don't post because there are too many know-it-all douchebags there...mods included"



Thanks for the info U4EA. That sucks if Burke is no longer posting here, he is a hell of a lot more valueable to this forum than whoever the mod is that drove him away.
8/26/11 6:05 PM
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Chappie - he is a hell of a lot more valueable to this forum than whoever the mod is that drove him away.


Yeah, Martin has a quick tempah with some mods.
8/26/11 6:27 PM
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 what kind of moderation does this board need? even the days of, fuck i cant remember his name. you guys know who i'm talking about. i could never figure out if he was trolling or insane. damn what was his name
8/26/11 9:29 PM
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U4EA -
Chappie - he is a hell of a lot more valueable to this forum than whoever the mod is that drove him away.


Yeah, Martin has a quick tempah with some mods.




8/26/11 10:11 PM
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pharochuck -  what kind of moderation does this board need? even the days of, fuck i cant remember his name. you guys know who i'm talking about. i could never figure out if he was trolling or insane. damn what was his name


I assume that you are referring to Mamadou Thiam's greatest fan, the and only Gator.
8/27/11 12:47 AM
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Yes Gator, that was his name. Sometimes he came off like a madman Phone Post
9/2/11 6:01 AM
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That's awful if Martin doesn't post here anymore, the guy has a ton of knowledge.

And it's pretty ludicrous to describe Dempsey's style as simplistic. Even Tyson himself will tell you differently.

I just finished "a Flame of pure Fire" this holiday by the way and it is a stunning book.

I came across Martin Burkes name a couple of times in the book (in one instance he got knocked out), does anybody know what the linage is here? Was that Martins grandfather?
9/2/11 7:15 AM
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ya - And it's pretty ludicrous to describe Dempsey's style as simplistic.


"Boxing is like jazz - the better it gets, the fewer people understand it" - George Foreman

ya - I came across Martin Burkes name a couple of times in the book (in one instance he got knocked out), does anybody know what the linage is here? Was that Martins grandfather?


He was his uncle or great uncle.
9/3/11 1:12 PM
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Thanks for the info U4EA.
12/3/11 5:52 PM
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Louis was famous for throwing short powerful punches. The legend was he could knock you out with a 6 inch punch. One of the other peculiar things about him was he wouldn't throw a punch unless he was positive he could reach you with it. He just wouldn't leave himself off balance and open for a counter. He was technically perfect by any era.
1/27/12 7:09 PM
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Classic boxer puncher. Great right hand, and could slip punches barely making guys miss, then sharply countering. He would get crushed by a modern day heavyweight, but at cruiserweight i think he would do well.
1/27/12 7:28 PM
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eh, not even worth it
1/28/12 1:28 AM
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Lol. Phone Post
1/28/12 5:47 AM
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And the human race continues on it's downward trajectory.
1/29/12 3:13 PM
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Stand up like a man!
Joe Louis stands over Max Schmeling after knocking him out in the first round.
 
1/29/12 7:52 PM
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Funny how Schmeling became a symbol of Nazi Germany. He put himself in considerable personal danger by refusing to cut ties with his Jewish manager, Yussel Jacobs. Many of his and his wife's friends were Jewish. And without question, when Schmeling hid two Jewish boys during Kristallnacht and then smuggled them out of Berlin, he would have been killed if caught.

Louis and Schmeling became lifelong friends, and Schmeling supported Louis financially.

By the time of the rematch, there was talk of war and the public was openly hostile to Schmeling. He had to be escorted off of the ship when it landed and sneaked down side streets to his hotel. Newspapers routinely attributed outrageous lies to him, and his cornerman refused to work the fight out of fear for his life. Maybe for good reason: on his way to the ring, Schmeling had to be shielded from the debris(including bottles) that rained down from the stands.

After the loss, he was no longer useful to the Nazis. It was still early in the war, so the Nazis were still only drafting 20-year-olds. But 34-year-old Schmeling found himself drafted into the paratroopers; the survival rate for paratroopers in WWII was abysmal.

It seems Goebbels got his payback after all.

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Louis learned to fight in the Brewster Center in Detroit, alongside Holman Williams and Eddie Futch. The Brewster style was to box and move, and that's what Louis did as an amateur.

It was only after turning pro that his style was changed. Louis' management had to lure in Jack Blackburn with a very good salary to train Louis, because Blackburn believed that a black heavyweight would never get a fair shot, never get a close decision.

Blackburn set out to make sure Louis was always set to punch, always stepping into the punch, to make sure the decision would lay in Joe's hands, and not the judges'.

Blackburn took the bouncing away from Louis, had him sliding in and cutting off the ring...and always, always setting up everything with that jackhammer jab.

It took a few fights for Louis to get comfortable. In his sixth fight, Alex Borchuk hit him so hard with a left hook that it broke a molar off. And in his next fight, Adolph Wiator shook him badly in the sixth round, and he had to be helped back to the corner.

But Louis eventually mastered the new style. Guys would run from him, and get methodically chopped up by that jab. So they'd figure that they'd have to tart crowding Louis...which is what he wanted all along. They'd move in...as he'd step into his punches...and that's why we see those tragicomic falls when those guys would slam into those dreadful punches.

They were partly right: Louis could be beaten inside, but you had to keep turning the corner on him. With the Blackburn style Louis needed his feet to be set. Billy Conn was able to do it...until the toll of all those body shots Louis landed during the fight caught up to him.


1/30/12 5:11 AM
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^^^ yes but all his fights are in black and white and he is not MIKE TYSON.
1/30/12 7:49 AM
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Can't argue with that.
1/30/12 9:32 AM
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Haha, awesome!

Say Martin, did you catch the latest piece the Sweetscience.com writer is putting out on Chcolade Kid Bert Lytell?

"The Beast of Stillman's gym - by Springs Toledo"
http://thesweetscience.com/news/articles-frontpage/13898-the-beast-of-stillmans-gym-introductiontoledo
(parts continue on the bottom of the page)

Pretty nice read.
1/30/12 10:02 AM
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Yeah, of all the writers out there now, I think he's my favorite. He's got his biases, but it seems like he can recognize them as such.

He's Stonehands1989 or something like that on the East Side forums, if you can stomach that place.
1/30/12 10:29 AM
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Thanks for weighing in, martin. The Roberts book I referenced in the op was not kind to Schmeling and portrays him as a chameleon surviving Naziism by blending in.
1/30/12 10:54 AM
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ya - Haha, awesome!

Say Martin, did you catch the latest piece the Sweetscience.com writer is putting out on Chcolade Kid Bert Lytell?

"The Beast of Stillman's gym - by Springs Toledo"
http://thesweetscience.com/news/articles-frontpage/13898-the-beast-of-stillmans-gym-introductiontoledo
(parts continue on the bottom of the page)

Pretty nice read.
gonna have to check that out as well
 
1/30/12 10:55 AM
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Ogami Itto - Thanks for weighing in, martin. The Roberts book I referenced in the op was not kind to Schmeling and portrays him as a chameleon surviving Naziism by blending in.
he might have had to do what he had to do to survive, his actions towards his jewish neighbors and joe louis later in life shows he was an alright guy
 
1/30/12 10:56 AM
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Surviving against Louis while back-pedalling was hard enough. Can you imagine what Louis would do to Holyfield? The only guy in history that would be a good bet to beat him coming forwards would be Dempsey.

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