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9/2/11 11:28 AM
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Joe Rogan remained in the US to film Fear Factor this past Saturday night at UFC 134 in Brazil. Replacing him alongside Mike Goldberg was #1 featherweight contender Kenny Florian, who has filled in for Rogan in the past.

Florian came under fire from some quarters during the Edson Barboza vs. Ross Pearson. During the bout, Florian seemed to show favoritism towards the Brazilian lightweight, rarely crediting the Brit for his pressure and his boxing. Barboza eventually won a split decision.

“The way I saw it, I thought Ross fought brilliantly,” said Florian. “However, I just thought that Barboza was consistently throwing more punches and landing more shots. Ross did well in every round, but I had Barboza winning 29-28 pretty clearly.”

“I thought the knockdown, the variety of striking, and Barboza thwarting the takedowns of Pearson’s were the difference. By no means did he blow Pearson out of the water but I thought he won 29-28.”

Florian’s assessment was backed up by two of the three judges, who also saw the fight in favor of Barboza by the score of 29-28.

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9/2/11 11:30 AM
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Did anyone actually think Ross won that fight?

I didnt.
9/2/11 11:32 AM
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Florian is a BOSS, and shouldn't have to "defend" any of his statements. Phone Post
9/2/11 11:33 AM
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 Kenny seems to be defending his decision & not his commentary.
9/2/11 11:54 AM
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I don't care about who he thought won, what's done is done. It was the biased commentary, Florian was always praising Barboza even when Ross was putting it on him.

Another Barboza nuthugger that is believing the hype. War Ross.
9/2/11 11:58 AM
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I think KenFlo is an amazing fighter, and contrary to assumptions I am not saying this as Pearson's biggest fan, but....

The way he was on Barboza's nuts all the way through that fight made me puke in my mouth! Ross was controlling the centre of the octagon for the FULL fight.
He landed more strikes and counter punched beautifully every time Edson tried to push forward.

When he was knocked down he was up and throwing back with a clear head in 1 second. Getting a few spinning back kicks blocked and one flash knockdown doesn't overpower 15 minutes of been pushed back and out struck IMHO Phone Post
9/2/11 12:06 PM
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Chimonos Revenge - Did anyone actually think Ross won that fight?

I didnt.

 
9/2/11 12:07 PM
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I'm not a Florian fan, either as a fighter or commentator, but I didn't notice anything in what he said that would have made me question his impartiality.

And Barboza clearly won the fight imo.
9/2/11 12:08 PM
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There was another thread with blatant accusations that anyone that thought Captain Barbosa won was a fucking retard
9/2/11 12:08 PM
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Naderhoods-Browneye -  I think KenFlo is an amazing fighter, and contrary to assumptions I am not saying this as Pearson's biggest fan, but....

The way he was on Barboza's nuts all the way through that fight made me puke in my mouth! Ross was controlling the centre of the octagon for the FULL fight.
He landed more strikes and counter punched beautifully every time Edson tried to push forward.

When he was knocked down he was up and throwing back with a clear head in 1 second. Getting a few spinning back kicks blocked and one flash knockdown doesn't overpower 15 minutes of been pushed back and out struck IMHO Phone Post
You sure you were watching the right fight? 
 
9/2/11 12:10 PM
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lol gtfo Florian you did a horrible job. WHy do you think most people here though Edson won?


Probably because Barboza
a) did win, and
b) deserved to win
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Naderhoods-Browneye - I think KenFlo is an amazing fighter, and contrary to assumptions I am not saying this as Pearson's biggest fan, but....

The way he was on Barboza's nuts all the way through that fight made me puke in my mouth! Ross was controlling the centre of the octagon for the FULL fight.
He landed more strikes and counter punched beautifully every time Edson tried to push forward.

When he was knocked down he was up and throwing back with a clear head in 1 second. Getting a few spinning back kicks blocked and one flash knockdown doesn't overpower 15 minutes of been pushed back and out struck IMHO Phone Post


Barboza was landing more effective shots countering Ross's aggression, than Ross was landing bull rushing.

Ross did a good job of closing the distance for the most part, and minimizing Barboza's kicks, but he was getting beaten in that fight.

How many flash knockdowns did Ross get on Barboza?

Exactly.
9/2/11 12:15 PM
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I agree his commentary may have been a little biased and it was close but Barboza won that fight. Florian could've been wearing an "I love Ross Pearson" tshirt and Barboza would still be the winner. Turn the sound down next time.
9/2/11 12:19 PM
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ednzo777 - 
Chimonos Revenge - 
Naderhoods-Browneye - I think KenFlo is an amazing fighter, and contrary to assumptions I am not saying this as Pearson's biggest fan, but....

The way he was on Barboza's nuts all the way through that fight made me puke in my mouth! Ross was controlling the centre of the octagon for the FULL fight.
He landed more strikes and counter punched beautifully every time Edson tried to push forward.

When he was knocked down he was up and throwing back with a clear head in 1 second. Getting a few spinning back kicks blocked and one flash knockdown doesn't overpower 15 minutes of been pushed back and out struck IMHO Phone Post


Barboza was landing more effective shots countering Ross's aggression, than Ross was landing bull rushing.

Ross did a good job of closing the distance for the most part, and minimizing Barboza's kicks, but he was getting beaten in that fight.

How many flash knockdowns did Ross get on Barboza?

Exactly.


youe judging it off Pearsons face instead of what actually happaned.

Clean strikes but yet you ignored controlling and aggression which Pearson did.



What actually happened was Barboza won that fight.

Unless you were watching it with Union Jack colored glasses.

Controlling and aggression dont win you the fight when you are getting out counter struck.
9/2/11 12:20 PM
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It was more than a little biased. If it wasn't, then Kenflo wouldn't be making statements to defend himself. That stated, the dude was just filling in for one event, and overall I think he handled the situation professionally.
9/2/11 12:22 PM
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ednzo777 - 
Chimonos Revenge - 
Naderhoods-Browneye - I think KenFlo is an amazing fighter, and contrary to assumptions I am not saying this as Pearson's biggest fan, but....<br><br>The way he was on Barboza's nuts all the way through that fight made me puke in my mouth! Ross was controlling the centre of the octagon for the FULL fight.<br>He landed more strikes and counter punched beautifully every time Edson tried to push forward.<br><br>When he was knocked down he was up and throwing back with a clear head in 1 second. Getting a few spinning back kicks blocked and one flash knockdown doesn't overpower 15 minutes of been pushed back and out struck IMHO <img src="/images/phone/post_tag.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>


Barboza was landing more effective shots countering Ross's aggression, than Ross was landing bull rushing.

Ross did a good job of closing the distance for the most part, and minimizing Barboza's kicks, but he was getting beaten in that fight.

How many flash knockdowns did Ross get on Barboza?

Exactly.


youe judging it off Pearsons face instead of what actually happaned.

Clean strikes but yet you ignored controlling and aggression which Pearson did.

 That is how the scoring is supposed to work. Only if there is no clear winner of Effective Striking and Effective Grappling are you to consider Control and Aggression. They are listed in order of importance....

Whether or not Edson was more effective striking is subjective, but IF a judge feels there is a clear winner of Effective Striking/Grappling, then the aggression and cage control are not even factored.
9/2/11 12:24 PM
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Also, if you're not commentating on a regular basis, it's easy to get caught up in the moment, especially since kenflo is also a fan of the sport
9/2/11 12:25 PM
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I like Barboza but he lost his last 2 IMO , lost them the exact same way .

but if the judges didn't agree on those occasions then he's going to be really hard to beat because he can stuff takedown , judges don't seem to mind when he's pressured and clearly outworked and if you sit back he will fucking pulverise you . Phone Post
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I have only seen this fight without sound, so I can't say much about Kenny's commentating.. but I can't believe anyone thinks Pearson won that fight.
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ednzo777 - Effective striking you guys are through that word around as if Edson was landind cleaner strikes all through out.

The margin was very close in effective striking.

Edson pushed the pace, landed more, and controlled the fight that equals a win.

You witnessed Edson miss shit load more himself with his kicks being checked and hittingthe arm.
The problem is that judges cannot see every angle we can see. Aside from that Edson DID land the more effective strikes in 2/3 rounds. Volume does not equal effeciency....that is why looking at fightmetric/compustrike can be decieving.

There really should be no hot debtate here. 29-28 for either fighter would have been acceptable. No travesty here.
 
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Stick to the day job Ken. Phone Post
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I would have to watch it again but I thought pearson did enough to win the fight. One flash knockdown that happens in 1 seconds does not take away all the good work pearson did in that fight.

Pearson took the fight to him and was the aggressor the whole time. I'm not sure what the compu strikes where but I would imagine Pearson landed more.

In any even this was a close fight but the announcers that night were giving almost no credit to the guy who was the aggressor.
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According to Fight Metric, Pearson only landed 5 more significant strikes in the entire fight than Barboza. That is negligible.

Who was more effective is a matter of opinion, but based on the knockdown and the damage, i would say Barboza had the more effective striking.
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Filo_Beto - I would have to watch it again but I thought pearson did enough to win the fight. One flash knockdown that happens in 1 seconds does not take away all the good work pearson did in that fight.

Pearson took the fight to him and was the aggressor the whole time. I'm not sure what the compu strikes where but I would imagine Pearson landed more.

In any even this was a close fight but the announcers that night were giving almost no credit to the guy who was the aggressor.

 Coming forward does not always = the more aggressive fighter.

Fighters whos STYLE is to counter should not be punished in the scoring.
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Chimonos Revenge - According to Fight Metric, Pearson only landed 5 more significant strikes in the entire fight than Barboza. That is negligible.

Who was more effective is a matter of opinion, but based on the knockdown and the damage, i would say Barboza had the more effective striking.

 Exactly right.

"signaificant strikes" can have a WIDE range of effectiveness. Of the "significant strikes" Barbosa's were more damaging, and that's clearly how the judges felt too.

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