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9/15/11 1:58 PM
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Diaz is a talented fighter, and an intriguing personality. He’s nuts in a way that appeals to people. He never gets finished so even when he loses, he somehow proclaims that he didn’t lose. And the fact is, he hasn’t lost in a long time anyway.

But his history has included missing two fights at the last minute, one because even when warned, he couldn’t stop using marijuana, put it on his medical listing as a drug he used when it was illegal for fighters, and the commission wouldn’t allow him to fight.

He blew another fight with Jay Hieron when he no-showed a drug test that he was likely to fail. It wasn’t just no-showing a drug test, but it was no-showing for days on end and telling promoter Scott Coker that he was going, and then taking off.

Then there was the time he missed weight–by nine pounds. He was in the ocean and swallowed salt water and thus wasn’t able to cut weight.

Another time, in the Frank Shamrock fight, even though he usually fights at 170, they made it a 179 catch weight fight, and a few days before, his side asked for it to be raised a few pounds because he wasn’t going to be able to make 179.

And then there was the time against Joe Riggs, where he lost the fight in the cage, and later that night, he saw Riggs in the hospital and attacked him and started a fight there.

And then there were the two most famous brawls in U.S. MMA history, the one with the family of K.J. Noons in Hawaii, and the one where he and his crew, five-on-one, beat up on Mayhem Miller when Miller issued a challenge to Jake Shields. That one cost Strikeforce its CBS contract.

He no-showed the press conference on 9/6 in Toronto. The next day, he promised he would be in Las Vegas. His coach, manager and father figure, Cesar Gracie, was supposed to watch over him and deliver him. But he snuck out the door and left.

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So UFC 137 was announced as having a double main event, Georges St. Pierre defending the welterweight title against Carlos Condit, and Diaz vs. B.J. Penn, with Penn and St. Pierre switched opponents.

Then all weekend, Diaz started having second thoughts according to people very close to both fighters. At one point he got word to the Penn camp that because of his respect for Penn that neither he nor brother Nate would ever fight Penn.

Penn himself was hopeful of Diaz doing the fight, because he was afraid that if he didn’t, with Jon Fitch on the shelf until December, that he wouldn’t be able to get another fight this year, and felt he needed one more win to get GSP back in the cage.

On either 9/12, apparently he was talked into changing his mind, since not doing the fight would be the worst thing possible for his career at this point. With no independent Strikeforce and basically nowhere you can make money, doing what Dana White would construe as backing out after being handed a break would almost surely spell the end of his UFC tenure.

Diaz was punished for no-showing in a big way, including being taken out of a fight he’s wanted for years and basically his career in UFC was at stake if he wouldn’t have faced Penn, The difference in what he’s going to make fighting Penn in the semifinal with what he would have made against St. Pierre is said to be in the seven figures due to the PPV cut.

He’s also out of the title picture, at least for this year. He’s gone from seven figures, even if he lost, to essentially very slightly more than he would have made had he fought Tyron Woodley in Strikeforce for the welterweight title he vacated to get the St. Pierre fight.

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9/15/11 2:01 PM
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Is it really worth posting melter "articles" as news? He's like the National Enquirer of MMA.
9/15/11 2:10 PM
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likatiga - Is it really worth posting melter "articles" as news? He's like the National Enquirer of MMA.


Most, if not all, of what Meltzer says in the article above is known fact. The statement about losing the million dollar payday obviously can't be considered a fact, but if his first fight of his new contract is a title fight, you can bet he had some sort of clause in his contract which paid out a portion of the PPV buys. Among that, big dollar payouts from sponsors and locker room bonuses, on top of his regular salary and potential for "OTN" bonuses. A million dollar payday was all but a guaranteed thing for Diaz.
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 Given that a lot of people were feeling Diaz did not suffer anything for the no shows, I think the piece is important.
9/15/11 2:12 PM
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likatiga - Is it really worth posting melter "articles" as news? He's like the National Enquirer of MMA.

 what makes you say that?
9/15/11 2:12 PM
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Meltzer has been wrong so many times there's no point putting this on the front page
9/15/11 2:15 PM
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warheart209 - Did Nick Diaz bang Meltzer's sister..Whats with the 24/7 Hate articles on Diaz this is like the 3rd one in a day.


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likatiga - Is it really worth posting melter "articles" as news? He's like the National Enquirer of MMA.


Lol @ this. Just read the thread for his "Diaz not really coming from SFO" article. Meltzer is definitely not one of the better MMA reporters around.
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Kirik -  Given that a lot of people were feeling Diaz did not suffer anything for the no shows, I think the piece is important.

 you don't give a shit about credibility? 
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 lol @ and then
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Surprised he still isn't checking out highway signs, here is a hint, stockton is that a way ---->
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Meltzer needs new material lol
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 I would be shocked if they could just pull the PPV points out of his contract (if he had them, which was rumored) without reworking his deal...
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I hear a lot of criticism of Meltzer, but don't see anyone refuting the points he made in the article. That is most telling.
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Kirik -  Given that a lot of people were feeling Diaz did not suffer anything for the no shows, I think the piece is important.

 you don't give a shit about credibility? 


Meltzer is about as credible as it gets for mma news he is one of the few journalists who has actual real contacts in the mma world and who knows how to report the facts.
lol jokes
 
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Meltzer is right on this one.

A GSP PPV will be at least get 700K PPV buys and up. Depending on what Nick is getting per PPV buy, He could easily lose that much. It sounds like Nick is getting $1.50 or $2.00 per PPV buy. I've heard Brock gets over $3 per PPV buy.

Kevin Iole said Nick's loss of pay was more towards $2 million.
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Musashi - I'm fairly certain that by 'important', Kirik means to say that it's a popular article for readers to click on. It's disappointing that the news section of this website has grown into a cross between an news source and a bullshit tabloid with trollish headlines. But hey, what ever pays the bills, right?


The UG news links to stuff that HHH says, lol
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Kirik -  Given that a lot of people were feeling Diaz did not suffer anything for the no shows, I think the piece is important.

 you don't give a shit about credibility? 

 Dave Meltzer gets some stick on the UG, but the debatably best sportswriter in American declared that Meltzer was the best sportswriter in America - Sports Illustrated senior writer Frank Deford has praised Meltzer's work, saying that "Meltzer, I believe, is the most accomplished reporter in sports journalism."

. I think he is awesome, and quite credible.
9/15/11 2:33 PM
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"Penn himself was hopeful of Diaz doing the fight, because he was afraid that if he didn’t, with Jon Fitch on the shelf until December, that he wouldn’t be able to get another fight this year, and felt he needed one more win to get GSP back in the cage."

^ LOL. Penn was hopeful of Diaz doing the fight, but it was because he DIDN'T want to fight Fitch. Fitch said he was cleared and BJ tried to convince Fitch himself that he wasn't cleared, which was hilarious. BJ wants nothing to do with Fitch at all, and was never planning on giving him a rematch. Also, Penn needs a hell of a lot more than 1 win to get to fight GSP again.
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Kirik - 
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Kirik -  Given that a lot of people were feeling Diaz did not suffer anything for the no shows, I think the piece is important.

 you don't give a shit about credibility? 

 Dave Meltzer gets some stick on the UG, but the debatably best sportswriter in American declared that Meltzer was the best sportswriter in America - Sports Illustrated senior writer Frank Deford has praised Meltzer's work, saying that "Meltzer, I believe, is the most accomplished reporter in sports journalism."

. I think he is awesome, and quite credible.

 even when he's thoroughly disproven?  gordo bent him over his knee and spanked him in the airport thread. 
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seems to me that everything Meltzer wrote is common knowledge and a pretty concise explanation of just how badly Diaz has fuck himself in the ass.
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Lol @ being a great 'sports' writer when you're a pro wrestling blogger
9/15/11 2:41 PM
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Meltzer, have your facts checked by Gordo before broadcasting. It would save you from looking like a jackass.

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Meltzer was reporting on MMA before 75% of the forum even knew what NHB was.

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