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9/18/11 8:27 AM
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Erikkoch - Sorry guys wanted the finish just a tough bugger didn't want to give up a take down now days dubs win fights :( <img src="/images/phone/post_tag.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>

Its hard to fight an opponent that only tries to stall for 3 rounds. Glad you got the decision, I would have been pissed off had it gone the other way.

Rogan and Goldie sounded very biased in their commentary, like they wanted Brookins to win.
9/18/11 11:10 AM
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Erikkoch - Sorry guys wanted the finish just a tough bugger didn't want to give up a take down now days dubs win fights :( Phone Post
No need to apologize man. Glad you got the W ad the judges made the right call. Phone Post
9/18/11 11:20 AM
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Erikkoch -  Sorry guys wanted the finish just a tough bugger didn't want to give up a take down now days dubs win fights :( Phone Post

 You did an awesome job in that fight. SO happy the judges finally got a fight like this correct.

http://elitemmareferees.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=50&Itemid=63

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(c) Judges shall evaluate mixed martial arts techniques, such as effective striking, effective grappling, control of the fighting area, effective aggressiveness and defense. 

(d) Evaluations shall be made in the order in which the techniques appear in (c) above, giving the most weight in scoring to effective striking, effective grappling, control of the fighting area andeffective aggressiveness and defense. "

9/18/11 11:22 AM
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Erikkoch - Sorry guys wanted the finish just a tough bugger didn't want to give up a take down now days dubs win fights :( Phone Post


Don't have anything to apologize for imo, you did a great job fighting a human limpet. Took your opportunities to strike when they were there, and your TD defence looked great. Look forward to seeing you fight again, hopefully with someone more willing to engage.
9/18/11 11:24 AM
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Erikkoch - Sorry guys wanted the finish just a tough bugger didn't want to give up a take down now days dubs win fights :( Phone Post

Its hard to fight an opponent that only tries to stall for 3 rounds. Glad you got the decision, I would have been pissed off had it gone the other way.

Rogan and Goldie sounded very biased in their commentary, like they wanted Brookins to win.


Yeah they were selling the TUF contestant hard. Was amazed Rogan kept going on about the fight being 'hard to score'. Should be real simple, the guy that's actually landing strikes is winning...
9/18/11 11:31 AM
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Kochy- had money on you finishing him- but damn, the stalling was lame. As a fighter how frustrated were you every round when 3/4 of the round was spent trying to scrape him off your legs? I understand he wanted to get the fight on the ground but as a fan, his failed takedowns were mind numbing. Even my wife was wondering why he didn't change strategy mid fight when his takedowns weren't working- Phone Post
9/18/11 11:46 AM
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Rogan saying Brookins was controlling the match made me sick. Immediately cut that little fag.
9/18/11 11:48 AM
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StretchPlum - Rogan saying Brookins was controlling the match made me sick. Immediately cut that little fag.

 Jesus. An "old school" poster that talks about fighters like this....

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9/18/11 1:04 PM
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I was glad the judges finally got one right. At the end of the fight I was thinking it was a clear 30-27 for Koch, but knowing how the deluded refs dont seem to care about anything but hugging and takedowns I figured there was a good chance they'd rob Koch and give it to Brookins. Thankfully that didn't happen.

These strategies focused on holding guys against the cage all night or laying on them for time because the opponent is better in striking or subs is ruining the sport and taking the fighting skills out of it. It sucks good strikers and sub artists have to be so conservative because they know if the opponent just holds them and does nothing else the judges often score it far too heavily. Pretty sad state of affairs for a sport that's supposed to be close to fighting and finishing opponents.

Brookins lost a fan.

Very happy Koch pulled off a much deserved win.
9/18/11 1:52 PM
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Kochy- had money on you finishing him- but damn, the stalling was lame. As a fighter how frustrated were you every round when 3/4 of the round was spent trying to scrape him off your legs? I understand he wanted to get the fight on the ground but as a fan, his failed takedowns were mind numbing. Even my wife was wondering why he didn't change strategy mid fight when his takedowns weren't working-


He was trying hard I didn't want to reverse and put him on the fence he was looking for space the whole time for his lat drop frustrating but that was his game I guess. Phone Post
9/18/11 2:10 PM
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Erikkoch -  Sorry guys wanted the finish just a tough bugger didn't want to give up a take down now days dubs win fights :( Phone Post

That's what Jonathan's gameplan was, so no need to fall into it.  It was a frustrating fight to watch because you're an exciting mofo, but as a fan, I knew you had to do what you had to do there.  
9/18/11 2:38 PM
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Wall n stall is ruining the sport

Brookins did zero damage leaning on him. Koch owned the standup.


Good to see Koch get the W.
9/18/11 2:53 PM
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I also couldnt figure out what fight rogan was watching because i very easily had koch winning.
He stuffed brookins entire gameplan and in turn easily controlled the standup while landing way better shots. Phone Post
9/18/11 3:32 PM
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PJ Benn Fan - I also couldnt figure out what fight rogan was watching because i very easily had koch winning. <br>He stuffed brookins entire gameplan and in turn easily controlled the standup while landing way better shots. <img src="/images/phone/post_tag.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>


I guess it could be argued that Brookins was more active/offensive since he was the one pushing Koch to the fence for most of the fight. I don't know why Rogan had such a hardon for Brookins either though.
9/18/11 3:32 PM
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i hope this is a new trend in MMA judging
9/18/11 4:53 PM
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Everyone keeps talking about "damage" but koch was the only one with any visible damage at the end his eye was swollen brookins was clean, if in a street fight a guy can tie you up I dont care how good you can punch or kick it's not gonna do a thing Phone Post
9/18/11 5:04 PM
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Well, in a street fight Koch would probably knee Brookins in the balls or something in that situation, so I don't really follow that argument.
9/18/11 7:18 PM
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Mushroom Slap - Wall n stall is ruining the sport



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9/18/11 7:31 PM
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adamscheulen - Everyone keeps talking about "damage" but koch was the only one with any visible damage at the end his eye was swollen brookins was clean, if in a street fight a guy can tie you up I dont care how good you can punch or kick it's not gonna do a thing <img src="/images/phone/post_tag.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>


In a street fight if the guy is busy devoting his hands to holding onto you you can ram your hands in his eyes and he'll have to let go or go blind. In a street fight a guy cant drop level and hang out there trying to get a takedown, knowing you're not allowed to hit him in the back of the head, because you can elbow the back of his skull and spine and he'll go unconscious. The whole dynamic of the hugging strategy doesn't work as well once those protections are removed. Not saying we should remove those protections, but lets recognize they make some things artificial and not count things that really dont matter in the grand scheme of a fight. Holding in a fight is like a 1st down in football. Is it useful? Sure. Should it score points? Nope.
9/18/11 7:33 PM
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Infamous Ed - i hope this is a new trend in MMA judging


Amen. Hopefully the judges are starting to realize some fighters are trying to alienate the rules to score points instead of fight and are deciding to start scoring fights more as they should be.

That's probably wishful thinking though. lol
9/18/11 9:47 PM
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Those were good judges. Love it if that's a new trend nationally, but I doubt it. More fights in New Orleans at least! Phone Post

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