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10/13/11 1:19 PM
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hey, looking for y'all's opinions on the current issue with suicide among soldiers, as well as all the resiliency/suicide/PC training the brass is shoving at as....


i've been through the master resiliency training, and think it's a decent program, but is more or less just stress management and teaching people to be more positive.

my current assignment is an ARNG RSP unit...basically we train Guard soldiers before they go to basic/AIT. one of the things i've noticed as an issue with my BN is the push for "fun" training, and veering away from the basics. i generally push D&C, squad tactics/MOUT, combatives, weapons, and first aid...simple individual skills that don't require too many resources for us, but are relatively interesting to the new soldiers. IMO, this is what i need to do to prep these people for basic... my CoC hates the combatives, but i've argued over and over that if we want "warriors," then we need to train stuff like these, as it'll bring people to us that want to learn it. but anyway, i'm moving to a new assignment next month so it'll be a moot point for me.

another issue i see is the zero-defect Army, as it applies to recruiting. it seems like it's pretty much impossible to join the Guard if you've ever gotten a speeding ticket, much less gotten in trouble for fighting... it seems to me we're going after people who haven't taken a lot of risks in life, and are putting them in some of the most dangerous jobs they can have. this irritates the crap out of me, since i know a lot of guys who were trouble-makers and straightened out in the military and foudn their calling.

and this suicide crap has me genuinely confused....i do not understand why the hell this happens with our people. i found a soldier i knew a while back (i'm also a cop) who hung himself on veteran's day, who was widely regarded as the best soldier in his unit. i simply do not understand why these people do this....


anyway, more or less just a rant, but wondered what y'all thought about this...
10/13/11 3:07 PM
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I know a ton of great soldiers that, when they came back from Iraq, were total shit bags. The problem with the people is this; you are taking young men out of there element and they have no idea what they are in for. They get everything handed to them, they cry to their parents and then mommy and daddy take care of it, or they just want to quit when they feel something is too hard. Take all these things away from them and you get people who see that suicide is the only way out. The military as a whole needs to find a way to have these kids see a phsyc before they join. What cracks me up is the army has a half assed plan that isn't for suicide at all. They take people that score below a 50 and make them take a test to see if they have a mindset for the army. Why not have anyone that wants to join do this? Because you aren't as good at math and English you are going to commit suicide? Ludicrous! They just want numbers. Just like everyone else. Let's not kid around, they want numbers and really don't give two shits about you. I have seen it first hand every day. Phone Post
10/13/11 3:10 PM
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Drug charges are the big thing. That is what will get you disqualified quick. That, and not graduating high school. The guard is a little more laxed on geds then the army is. The reason the different charges are closing up and it's harder to get in is because the armed forced are full as shit and they just want the top tier of society. So, people who don't get into trouble and have good scores on the asvab. Phone Post
10/14/11 9:49 PM
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virux11b - I know a ton of great soldiers that, when they came back from Iraq, were total shit bags. The problem with the people is this; you are taking young men out of there element and they have no idea what they are in for. They get everything handed to them, they cry to their parents and then mommy and daddy take care of it, or they just want to quit when they feel something is too hard. Take all these things away from them and you get people who see that suicide is the only way out. The military as a whole needs to find a way to have these kids see a phsyc before they join. What cracks me up is the army has a half assed plan that isn't for suicide at all. They take people that score below a 50 and make them take a test to see if they have a mindset for the army. Why not have anyone that wants to join do this? Because you aren't as good at math and English you are going to commit suicide? Ludicrous! They just want numbers. Just like everyone else. Let's not kid around, they want numbers and really don't give two shits about you. I have seen it first hand every day. <img src="/images/phone/apple.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>


i think a psych test might be the best thing to preventing some of these issues....not neccessarily the whole MMPI, but a shorter diagnostic test.

i assume you've brought this up before?
10/14/11 10:48 PM
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Yep. You really think they want to spend more money on people? Let's be honest. They give a fuck. Phone Post

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