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10/16/11 9:34 PM
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“We have an incredibly dominant champion,” Rebney stated when asked about finding opponents for Lombard. “It’s not easy. I think, right now, when you look at Vitor Vianna and Alexander Shlemenko, we could provide a good test for Hector Lombard. I think he’s one of the best two middleweights on earth. I think Hector is an absolute monster.

“I think there’s one guy on earth right now that I would look at and say to myself, ‘He could beat Hector.’ His name is Anderson Silva. I don’t know that I would pick Anderson to beat Hector, but it would be one heck of a fight. We’ll see what happens with Alexander and Vitor, and one of those guys is going to come out with a big win.”

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10/16/11 9:44 PM
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Get him in the UFC after the falcao fight and let him work his way up and we will see.... Phone Post
10/16/11 9:48 PM
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I guess Bjorn has never heard of Chael or Vitor... Phone Post
10/16/11 9:48 PM
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Plenty of MWs in the UFC that would beat him imo
10/16/11 9:50 PM
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Lo Lombard the most overrated fighter of all time. The guy has never beat anyone of note and people praise him. If he ever comes into the UFC he'll be cut in a couple fights, just another Jorge Santiago. Phone Post
10/16/11 9:57 PM
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This is funny, this is what gets me, this guy is dominant ? right, ok well he is beating a bunch of lesser opponents in a lesser promotion. Silva is beating the best the sport has to offer at the highest level of MMA

this is nothing but a PR move by this dude
10/16/11 9:59 PM
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I'd love to see him fight Paul Harris
10/16/11 10:07 PM
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Franklin would kill him.
10/16/11 10:11 PM
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THE CACTUS KID - Plenty of MWs in the UFC that would beat him imo

While Rebney is being incredibly biased, I hardly think there are "plenty" of MWs in the UFC that I'd favor over Lombard.

Would you care to list these? Other than Chael and Vitor, I think I'd make Lombard a significant favorite over every UFC MW. In most cases a large favorite. Especially with Marquardt no longer in the division, or the UFC.

Remember that the stories out of ATT are that Lombard regularly beats up Thiago Silva in sparring, who is one of the top 10 205ers in the UFC. Think he'd handle most MWs.

Anderson - clearly the large favorite. Think he'd be the first to finish Lombard.

Chael - I could see the case for him being the favorite, though I think people would really overrate Chael's chances. No way he'd finish Hector, and he'd have a very hard time taking Hector down - also while nobody gets up from under Chael I think Lombard actually could. And Hector would have a good shot at taking Chael down himself which would be bad news for Chael. On the feet Chael has a real good chin but nobody is going to take flush shots from Lombard.

Vitor - 50/50 fight. Vitor has more dangerous standup but isn't as durable or mentally tough.

Palhares - a tough matchup for anyone other than Anderson, but while he'd have a better shot than just about any other MW I see Lombard as the clear favorite.

Maia - Maia has very good takedowns but I don't think he'd take Hector down, also it's unlikely he'd be able to hold Hector down, Lombard has real good scrambling and is super strong. On the feet Maia is getting pretty good but he wouldn't be able to stand with Hector. Clear edge to Hector IMO.

Munoz - Munoz's takedowns aren't that great, and on the feet he's outclassed. Mark's got brutal GNP but he'd have a very hard time taking Hector down and Hector is extremely durable and would not be easy to finish with GNP. Clear edge to Hector IMO.

Okami - A very durable fighter, and he has quick hands and technical boxing. But he doesn't have great takedowns and while he is better technically than Hector on the feet, he just isn't as dangerous there. Winnable for Okami - I could see him outpointing Hector on the feet and getting a decision, but I favor Hector by a bit.

Stann - Hits hard and is quick and a big guy, but I think Lombard would be able to take him down regularly and also think Hector is more dangerous on the feet. Large edge to Hector.

Bisping - Please.

Leben - He'd try to slug it out with Lombard and would get KOed.
10/16/11 10:18 PM
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Chael - I could see the case for him being the favorite, though I think people would really overrate Chael's chances. No way he'd finish Hector, and he'd have a very hard time taking Hector down - also while nobody gets up from under Chael I think Lombard actually could. And Hector would have a good shot at taking Chael down himself which would be bad news for Chael. On the feet Chael has a real good chin but nobody is going to take flush shots from Lombard.

Palhares - I see Lombard as the clear favorite.

Leben - He'd try to slug it out with Lombard and would get KOed.

Nigga, you just went full retard.

Rebney needs to watch what he says. Dana isn't after him.....YET.
10/16/11 10:21 PM
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Chael - I could see the case for him being the favorite, though I think people would really overrate Chael's chances. No way he'd finish Hector, and he'd have a very hard time taking Hector down - also while nobody gets up from under Chael I think Lombard actually could. And Hector would have a good shot at taking Chael down himself which would be bad news for Chael. On the feet Chael has a real good chin but nobody is going to take flush shots from Lombard.

Palhares - I see Lombard as the clear favorite.

Leben - He'd try to slug it out with Lombard and would get KOed.

Nigga, you just went full retard.

Rebney needs to watch what he says. Dana isn't after him.....YET.
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10/16/11 10:23 PM
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FortyKoatz - Franklin would kill him.

Hmm, hadn't thought about Rich since he fights at 205. Would be a good fight.

I think Rich from 3-4 years ago has a real good argument for being the favorite over Lombard. Could see him outpointing Lombard on the feet. And while I think Lombard would take Rich down I think Rich would get up. Rich also has a very large cardio edge, even now.

But, it's pretty unlikely he'd finish Lombard, and Rich's chin couldn't handle Lombard's power. Rich is also not as fast as he used to be. Rich had an even fight with Wanderlei, including getting dropped by Wand, and was clearly losing against Chuck prior to the KO. Lombard would smash through the versions of Wand and Chuck Rich fought, I believe. Rich didn't look too impressive against Forrest either. So I'd favor Lombard over current Rich.

If we're including Rich then I'd add Hendo, who I'd favor over Lombard. But not by a huge amount. Hendo has even worse cardio than Lombard. Also think Lombard might have a better chance to take Hendo down than vice versa, though that's unclear. Both guys are very durable and have massive one-shot power, and are among the very few fighters that have a legit shot of KOing the other guy, so this would be a great fight to see. But I would give an edge to Hendo.
10/16/11 10:25 PM
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Jason Reinhardt was once 18-0, all by finish. True story.
10/16/11 10:26 PM
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Theres plenty of guys I could see beating him in the UFC he hasn't been facing top competition. Phone Post
10/16/11 10:27 PM
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Lulz McGee - Nigga, you just went full retard.

Rebney needs to watch what he says. Dana isn't after him.....YET.

Perhaps you'd care to actually give your own technical breakdowns of those matchups then. Else your opinion is easily dismissed.

I especially find it hard to see how somone could disagree that Lombard KOs Leben. Leben has a real good chin but he gets rocked all the time and pretty much nobody can handle the power of fighters like Hendo, Lombard, Vitor. Human chins aren't meant to handle that kind of power. Someone like Anderson could because he just doesn't get hit flush, on top of having a good chin, but Leben gets hit flush all the time.
10/16/11 10:39 PM
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Lombard gets the mandatory 5 to 10 spot bump up in the rankings because he doesn't fight in the UFC.

Forget about the guys at the top, he wouldn't get past the Leben, Simpson, or Munoz. Munoz in particular would maul him.
10/16/11 10:50 PM
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Also of note: Lombard went to a decision against Gegard FRIGGIN Mousasi when he was still a green MMA fighter. And Mousasi - was finishing people left and right back then (well he still does)

IMO, that takes serious talent.
10/16/11 10:53 PM
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Hector Lombard vs Gegard Mousasi
(It's in Korean though)

http://mma-geeks.com/2011/07/19/gegard-mousasi-vs-hector-lombard-fight-video-pride-bushido/
10/16/11 11:04 PM
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Chael - I could see the case for him being the favorite, though I think people would really overrate Chael's chances. No way he'd finish Hector, and he'd have a very hard time taking Hector down - also while nobody gets up from under Chael I think Lombard actually could. And Hector would have a good shot at taking Chael down himself which would be bad news for Chael. On the feet Chael has a real good chin but nobody is going to take flush shots from Lombard.

Palhares - I see Lombard as the clear favorite.

Leben - He'd try to slug it out with Lombard and would get KOed.

Nigga, you just went full retard.

Rebney needs to watch what he says. Dana isn't after him.....YET.
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10/16/11 11:10 PM
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grafzep - Lombard gets the mandatory 5 to 10 spot bump up in the rankings because he doesn't fight in the UFC.

Forget about the guys at the top, he wouldn't get past the Leben, Simpson, or Munoz. Munoz in particular would maul him.


All of this. People look at Lombard with the 'not in the UFC goggles'. He'd get smashed in the UFC by most of the middleweights. There is a reason he decided to stay with Bellator when his contract was expiring.
10/16/11 11:17 PM
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Jamiee - Also of note: Lombard went to a decision against Gegard FRIGGIN Mousasi when he was still a green MMA fighter. And Mousasi - was finishing people left and right back then (well he still does)

IMO, that takes serious talent.


Lombard went to decision with Mousasi, who was coming off of a loss to Akihiro Gono.....

Kind of lessens the impact of your statement...
10/16/11 11:25 PM
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how DARE the head of a promotion say his champion is a monster.

Dana would never do something like that EVER.
10/16/11 11:29 PM
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!?!??!? Hector beats Joe Doerkson, Falaniko Vitale, and Jesse Taylor and all of a sudden only Anderson can beat him? And even that is a maybe?!?

That's the definition of hype. The guys has potential, but for crying out loud let him beat someone that's fucking top 20 before claiming he's the 2nd best fighter in the division, and probably the first.

Nexuscrawlers - how DARE the head of a promotion say his champion is a monster.

Dana would never do something like that EVER.

  Apparently reading comprehension is not your friend.  
10/16/11 11:34 PM
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ausgepicht - !?!??!?<p<p>Hector beats Joe Doerkson, Falaniko Vitale, and Jesse Taylor and all of a sudden only Anderson can beat him? And even that is a maybe?!?<p><p>That's the definition of hype. The guys has potential, but for crying out loud let him beat someone that's fucking top 20 before claiming he's the 2nd best fighter in the division, and probably the first.<p><p>
Nexuscrawlers - how DARE the head of a promotion say his champion is a monster.

Dana would never do something like that EVER.

  Apparently reading comprehension is not your friend.  


i read what bjorn said, what do people expect him to say?
"yeah, our champ hasn't been fighting the best competition, and he would probably lose to half the UFC rost"

please...
10/16/11 11:36 PM
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As others have already pointed out, Hector has fought ABSOLUTELY NOBODY. He may be very good, but the fact remains that he has proven nothing yet.

Here some fighters I believe would beat Lombard. These aren't restricted to the UFC since Rebney was clear that he believes that Hector is the second best MW in the world. Not all of these fighters are currently fighting at MW, but they have and still could.

Nate
Jacare
Palhares
Chael
Munoz
Vitor
Hendo
Okami
Luke Rockhold
Kos (If he moves up as he says he intends to)

Here are some others that I'm not as certain would win, but I'd still put my money on them.

Jason Miller
Tim Kennedy
Lawler
Maia
Shields
Stann

These are just off the top of my head.


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