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10/31/11 5:44 PM
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 Did you guys see my poll on the underground about christians fornicating?

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How many unmarried christians fornicate

I cant link it here for somereason.

Interesting answers and excuses.
  
11/1/11 8:25 PM
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I'll check it out.
11/1/11 11:59 PM
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 Christian sex, abortion, and masturbation/porn use is almost certainly on par with the rest of the culture if not in higher numbers.  
11/2/11 12:56 AM
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Zealot,

It sure is entertaining to watch a self-hating christian offer himself up for immolation on the OG ;)
11/3/11 5:13 PM
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I didnt feel attacked or immolated. I had fun watching people squirm trying to explain themseleves sinless.
11/3/11 9:17 PM
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I read this thread title as "My fornication pole".

I didn't see the OG post, but it's not directed at me. I suppose there was a time I was one of those sinners. (By those I mean Christian, unmarried, not-virginal).
11/5/11 12:23 PM
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It got me thinking. I don't think I have much room to talk to non-Christians about sex, as long as its between consenting adults, and not obviously hurting anyone.

For Christians though, I do think its important. Even though I think we've focused obsessively on sex sins, and forgotten other stuff that Jesus seemed a lot more concerned with, I think God cares about sex too.

For me its about finding some kind of balance, realizing that God is always healing and reconciling, that I'm not going to be perfect overnight; but that what I do matters, and can sometimes have serious consequences for me and others, especially when I'm choosing to walk away from where God is calling me.
11/5/11 12:23 PM
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Ali - I read this thread title as "My fornication pole".



LOL
11/5/11 11:25 PM
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zealot66 - I didnt feel attacked or immolated. I had fun watching people squirm trying to explain themseleves sinless.
I read and posted on that thread and I don't remember anyone trying to explain themselves sinless. Phone Post
11/11/11 1:33 PM
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I still believe that sex is meant to be limited to a monogamous covenant based relationship, based in the church. I said it like that because I don't necessarily think everyone means the same thing when they say marriage, nor do I think the states "marriage" should be considered the same as church marriage.

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1/6/12 6:34 PM
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This is what I find interesting about Atheists. They think all Christians feel that they are pure and holy, without a shred of sin. Couldn't be further from the truth. I am a faithful Christian through and through, and when it comes to sin, and sex especially, I'm as guilty as they come. Do I feel remorse? Sure, I wish I wasn't so sexually active, or at least I wish I didn't have the desire to be so sexually active, but it's hard to turn away from the best natural feeling on earth.

Being a Christian, I do try to abstain from it when I can, and certanily don't roam the streets of skid row picking up hookers. My ultimate dream is to find one girl, who I can share the most wonderful experience on earth with, time and time again, and in my quest for true love, I've fallen many many times. It's human nature to sin.

No man is without sin, and anyone who says they are are fooling themselves. Believer or not.
1/6/12 8:12 PM
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Great post JJS. Phone Post
1/6/12 9:25 PM
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True JJS Phone Post
1/6/12 10:22 PM
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I think it's a good post, too -- honest and personal in sharing your own struggle and aspiration. I'm surprised by one claim though:
JewJiffShoes - This is what I find interesting about Atheists. They think all Christians feel that they are pure and holy, without a shred of sin.


Is this interesting about atheists? and is it true? The atheists I know and talk with are, for the most part, ex-Christian. Ex-believers of one sort or other. Not one of them thinks all Christians feel that they are pure and holy, without sin. Every Christian that I've talked to about it, anyway, certainly has one or another degree of emphasis on the doctrine of Original Sin, in fact. None think they're free of it. And every atheist I speak with knows plenty of Christians up close. Most have actively religious family members, certainly all have actively religious friends. It wouldn't occur to the atheists that "all Christians" think any such thing.
1/6/12 10:57 PM
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Ali - I think it's a good post, too -- honest and personal in sharing your own struggle and aspiration. I'm surprised by one claim though:
JewJiffShoes - This is what I find interesting about Atheists. They think all Christians feel that they are pure and holy, without a shred of sin.


Is this interesting about atheists? and is it true? The atheists I know and talk with are, for the most part, ex-Christian. Ex-believers of one sort or other. Not one of them thinks all Christians feel that they are pure and holy, without sin. Every Christian that I've talked to about it, anyway, certainly has one or another degree of emphasis on the doctrine of Original Sin, in fact. None think they're free of it. And every atheist I speak with knows plenty of Christians up close. Most have actively religious family members, certainly all have actively religious friends. It wouldn't occur to the atheists that "all Christians" think any such thing.
Point taken, and perhaps I used a poor choice of words insinuating that ALL Atheists think that ALL Christians believe in a certain notion. I was generalizing, which admittedly is one of my pet peeves.

Instead, let me just say that among the Atheists I've talked to personally, this has been a common notion, but not to all of them, mind you. I've met some of the same Athiests you speak of, in that they are very aware of the sinful ways of all mankind. In no way do I think that every Atheist share the exact same thoughts and beliefs, just as every Christian (and ever person in the world, in fact) have their own mindset.

So, good call on that blunder. And thanks, Ali, DB and Micman for the support.
 
1/7/12 12:13 AM
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Ok. In my experience it's not even a "common notion". I don't know many who were raised in an atheistic home. (I have met some, but even they weren't so far off in their ideas of Christians' self-perception). I'll bet if you've run into it, it's just some impatience with sanctimoniousness being expressed (but then, Christians express this against each other at least as much) or it's a mischaracterization of what they claim to perceive altogether. Why would atheists in particular think this, as opposed to any other non-Christian? It's not in comportment with any of my experience.
1/7/12 1:47 AM
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I agree with you completely, actually, that it is not something they firmly believe, but more of a...for lack of a better word...challenge to "watch us squirm." All I'm really saying is, when I have been questioned in the past by an atheist about this topic, they seem to feel as though I will become uncomfortable and struggle trying to explain myself, and as the OP says, make "excuses" for why I'm a sinner, despite being a Christian, most likely knowing full well that I'm just like the rest of us. I have no problem, nor do I squirm, when telling them, yes, of course I'm a sinner.
1/7/12 4:57 AM
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Bingo -- some people say really stupid things when they think they have an argumentative advantage. Yeah. It's just thoughtless, really. I *totally* buy that!
1/7/12 8:21 AM
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We hear the "hypocrites" and "holier than thou" criticism often in general reference to Christians. I believe the hypocrite generalization refers to the expectation of sinless Christians. Phone Post
1/7/12 11:10 AM
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 For me it is simply that you cannot tell me about jesus and sin while you are fornicating. I just cant accept that as being legitimate. this is coming from a former fornicator.
1/7/12 12:10 PM
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zealot66 -  For me it is simply that you cannot tell me about jesus and sin while you are fornicating. I just cant accept that as being legitimate. this is coming from a former fornicator.
I agree (I'm also a former fornicator). However, I'm not a fan of the "fire and brimstone cast thee to hell you sinner" type of preaching anyways. But what about a preacher who doesn't commit any sexual sins ever, but hates his neighbor? You'd probably never know but I think that's a bigger problem. Phone Post
1/7/12 3:01 PM
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 I understand the concept you are trying to voice but there is something about 'christians' that cannot control their body that really indicates something to me. The act of sex requires several steps as you know and at any point, you have enough time to stop. Its different to me than reflexively saying Gdammit, as I've had a problem swearing my whole life, or being jealous of some one else's toys or getting a hateful feeling towards a neighbor.

You dont just slip and fall into a womans vagina. And women dont trip and fall onto a penis. You have to ( usually ) know someone, find some privacy and start to engage in physical activity. If a person cannot control something that is not reflexive or jumping out of your subconscious, you are willfully making a decision to violate a thing that is supposed to be one of the most outward signs that you are not like 'the world'. 

Since sex permeates every part of life, especially in today's society, A christian differentiates himself outwardly in a few areas. They dont get raving drunk, they dont do drugs, they use clean language, dont lie cheat or steal and they dont partake in forication. 

Think about it, a young group of guys, all have girlfriends. They are all having sex except the christian. This seperates him from his peers. Other than Jesus saying not to do it, what reason do you have to not have alot of sex with who ever  is willing ? To reject that lifestyle is a symbol and a powerful one that you are adhering to a moral code and that your life is different. Make sense ?

1/8/12 1:28 AM
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It does make sense. Our words and our actions are tremendously impactful in attracting people to Jesus. To say one thing and do another is lying to yourself and God (who isn't fooled of course) as well as everyone else and may worst of all - deter would be Christians.

I guess I have a bit of an issue with the attention given to all the sins that are not the "greatest commandment". Many Christians go absolutely nuts on gay issues or other sexual sins often times demonstrating hatred/judgment/scorn rather than love in the process. I really think we need to put first things first. Phone Post
1/9/12 11:38 AM
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Actually Jesus changes that

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