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11/6/11 7:53 PM
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No wonder he was so tired, he has a lot of heart though http://www.mmamania.com/2011/11/6/2542767/ufc-138-results-chris-leben-weight-cut-mark-munoz-fight-mma-news

Edit: I'm not using this as an execuse for Leben, just sharing the article. Munoz is a great fighter and got the W.
11/6/11 7:54 PM
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 that's BONKERS
11/6/11 7:55 PM
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Why can't we have non official same day weigh ins like Boxing? so we can see what each fighter weighs fight time!
11/6/11 8:14 PM
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I would live to see a limit on how much you can cut. Cutting that much weight is just not good for the fight or the fighter Phone Post
11/6/11 8:15 PM
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11/6/11 8:22 PM
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It makes sense. He probably felt like crap and wanted to get out there ASAP, which is why he was putting his all into those guillotines. Phone Post
11/6/11 8:27 PM
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Why is this news worthy? 206-185 is a 10% cut. Not a small cut, but not a big cut. Pretty much as standard as you can get for fighters at this level.
11/6/11 8:28 PM
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Team Quest 760 - Why can't we have non official same day weigh ins like Boxing? so we can see what each fighter weighs fight time!

 I actually think this would be cool to see, but I think it would just create problems.
11/6/11 8:28 PM
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part of the fight game.. still would have gotten his ass kicked by munoz
11/6/11 8:29 PM
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1armedScissor - Why is this news worthy? 206-185 is a 10% cut. Not a small cut, but not a big cut. Pretty much as standard as you can get for fighters at this level.
In one day? Troll on. Phone Post
11/6/11 8:30 PM
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BzGrappla - part of the fight game.. still would have gotten his ass kicked by munoz
Seeing as he didn't get his ass kicked to begin with, nice post. Phone Post
11/6/11 8:33 PM
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Jason -
Team Quest 760 - Why can't we have non official same day weigh ins like Boxing? so we can see what each fighter weighs fight time!

 I actually think this would be cool to see, but I think it would just create problems.
I've been saying this forever: you should have to make the weight two days before the fight, the day before, and be within 5lbs before you get into the cage.

Further, there shouldn't even be weight classes - there should be size groups. A 5'6 guy should never fight a 6'4 guy - regardless of the weight. Phone Post
11/6/11 8:36 PM
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yep. in one day. 10-15% is the typical range. 15% being the very top of the scale where you definitely have diminishing returns on your investment.
11/6/11 8:36 PM
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Ohio had a rule at one point that you couldn't weigh more than 10lbs on fight day than what you weighed in at.
11/6/11 8:38 PM
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1armedScissor - yep. in one day. 10-15% is the typical range. 15% being the very top of the scale where you definitely have diminishing returns on your investment.
Name 3 other instances of a 185lb'er cutting 20-27lbs in 1 day. Phone Post
11/6/11 8:38 PM
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Jason -
Team Quest 760 - Why can't we have non official same day weigh ins like Boxing? so we can see what each fighter weighs fight time!

 I actually think this would be cool to see, but I think it would just create problems.
I've been saying this forever: you should have to make the weight two days before the fight, the day before, and be within 5lbs before you get into the cage.

Further, there shouldn't even be weight classes - there should be size groups. A 5'6 guy should never fight a 6'4 guy - regardless of the weight. Phone Post

wrong it has to be weight classes.Always has been always will be.Cutting big weight is rarely an adavantage and usually backfires IMO and experiences from wrestling
11/6/11 8:41 PM
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1armedScissor - Why is this news worthy? 206-185 is a 10% cut. Not a small cut, but not a big cut. Pretty much as standard as you can get for fighters at this level.
In one day? Troll on. <img src="/images/phone/apple.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>



He would be correct, in my experience its actually harder on the fighter to take more time in getting the water out of his system. 10% is about where the cut gets tough depending on other variables.
11/6/11 8:43 PM
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Why weight? It seems like strength, punching power, limb length, height, reach, skill, and experience are far more relevant aspects to separate fighters than weight. Phone Post
11/6/11 8:44 PM
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Most HC fans knew leben didn't quit because of the cut. He was gassed, much more then 4 min into the third of the akyama fight. I was telling the guys I was watching with he must not have taken the fight seriously. 21lbs to cut is obvious of that. That sucks for him, but good for munoz. Good for the ufc tho because they wouldn't have given him a ttl shot anyway.
11/6/11 8:46 PM
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Glovegate - "It takes a man to know when they're beaten, and I was beaten tonight."

-Leben

And that's what a humble, mature fighter says. As a fan and a supporter I can state: Chris slammed Munoz to the ground, took him down, got up each time he was taken down, almost KO'd Munoz, dropped him at the end of the second, almost tapped him a couple of times, etc etc etc.

If you want to say Munoz was winning, we can discuss that. But by no means was Chris getting beaten, being dismantled, getting dominated, getting his ass beat, or losing in any way other than being out pointed. Phone Post
11/6/11 8:48 PM
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Hopefully fighters and trainers will soon figure out that this "cut as much weight as you physically can" philosophy is counter-productive. Is it really worth having that extra 5 lbs of muscle if it makes the weight cut that much harder and hence your endurance that much worse? I highly, highly doubt it. I think for the vast majority of fighters, cutting more than 15 lbs is not smart any way you look at it.
11/6/11 9:12 PM
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This is an odd case, as Leben isn't a particularly big MW, and I doubt he'd be able to do anything at LHW.  The issue was likely him not planning properly for a weight cut overseas. 

If I was fighting in England, I'd probably fly out 2-3 weeks early to get acclimated and start my cut.
11/6/11 9:12 PM
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I'll re-watch it but it wouldn't be revisionism, it would be me not accurately assessing the fight - if anything.

I wouldn't describe it as a solid win. Chris was doing well and he was in the fight the whole time; no one knows what would have happened, but it must be clear to all that it was a competitive two rounds where both did well.

That is without question. Phone Post
11/6/11 9:16 PM
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SuMBJJ - This is an odd case, as Leben isn't a particularly big MW, and I doubt he'd be able to do anything at LHW.  The issue was likely him not planning properly for a weight cut overseas. 

If I was fighting in England, I'd probably fly out 2-3 weeks early to get acclimated and start my cut.


Why not just restrict his calories a bit while training or lift less weights (if he does any) and be 5 lbs lighter?
11/6/11 9:29 PM
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Attila - 
SuMBJJ - This is an odd case, as Leben isn't a particularly big MW, and I doubt he'd be able to do anything at LHW.  The issue was likely him not planning properly for a weight cut overseas. 

If I was fighting in England, I'd probably fly out 2-3 weeks early to get acclimated and start my cut.


Why not just restrict his calories a bit while training or lift less weights (if he does any) and be 5 lbs lighter?
I don't know that it really was that... alot of times guys will get de-hydrated because of the flight over and wind up screwing up their system. 

He did look bigger tho...

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