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11/16/11 10:22 AM
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TATAME caught up with Joe Rogan, UFC color ommentator since 1997, backstage at UFC on FOX 1, and asked him his thoughts on Junior Dos Santos striking the heavyweight title away from Cain Velasquez.

“It was an amazing fight”, said Rogan. “Well, you know, he has briliant timing. He has great timing and great knockout power and he did exactly what he wanted to do. For him, it was the win with a perfect fight. He picked a spot, find an opening, landed and boom: that was it."

“I think if i was Cain Velasquez’s coach, if I would say, if he need some area, he should’ve tried to take Junior down, he should try to tire Junior out. But to try to stand with him... I think he overestimated his striking and Junior is one of the best, if not the best boxer in Mixed Martial Arts."

“I couldn’t do the last (UFC in Rio) but I’ll be there on this one."

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11/16/11 10:27 AM
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BigWilliam
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Spot on. Cain needed to pressure JDS, keep him moving backwards and work him for takedowns. Standing at punching range was never going to end well. I am sure if they rematch at some point Cain will have a better game plan and will do great.
11/16/11 10:29 AM
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 NO! he should have blocked w/ his left and countered w/ a quick right hook...why doesn't anyone ever talk about DEFENSE!?!?
11/16/11 10:31 AM
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It was only a minute into the fight. No way any of Velasquez's TD attempts would have succeeded, that early, given JDS's takedown defense. Cain was striking with him to set up the TD's later on in the round. JDS had perfect timing AND got lucky. Doubt the rematch would play out the same way, if both used the same strategies.
11/16/11 10:36 AM
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TSMontana - It was only a minute into the fight. No way any of Velasquez's TD attempts would have succeeded, that early, given JDS's takedown defense. Cain was striking with him to set up the TD's later on in the round. JDS had perfect timing AND got lucky. Doubt the rematch would play out the same way, if both used the same strategies.


He doesn't necessarily mean he has to be shooting doubles from across the cage. In hindsight it's fairly obvious Cain should have been trying to close the distance, get to the clinch and try to impose his pace on JDS.

Standing in the pocket trading didn't work out too well.
11/16/11 10:42 AM
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ajsr -He doesn't necessarily mean he has to be shooting doubles from across the cage. In hindsight it's fairly obvious Cain should have been trying to close the distance, get to the clinch and try to impose his pace on JDS. Standing in the pocket trading didn't work out too well.


Because clinching with someone who has devastating uppercuts is a sound strategy.

Unless you tie both of JDS's arms up you're not safe.
11/16/11 10:45 AM
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Cain wasn't even moving around he was just standing there when jds got him. I think he was shocked or something from the whole fox thing or ring rust Phone Post
11/16/11 10:47 AM
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 It looked like the lack of movement is what got to Cain, and of course the JDS B-Bomb.

Hendo has the H-Bomb, so I figure JDS has the Brazilian Bomb.
11/16/11 10:48 AM
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Kirik -  It looked like the lack of movement is what got to Cain, and of course the JDS B-Bomb.

Hendo has the H-Bomb, so I figure JDS has the Brazilian Bomb.

 Awesome
11/16/11 10:49 AM
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Mrmetoo, thats the big problem. Most mma strikers don't have defense... Phone Post
11/16/11 11:01 AM
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TSMontana - It was only a minute into the fight. No way any of Velasquez's TD attempts would have succeeded, that early, given JDS's takedown defense. Cain was striking with him to set up the TD's later on in the round. JDS had perfect timing AND got lucky. Doubt the rematch would play out the same way, if both used the same strategies.

exactly. it was only one minute into the fight. there's a feeling out process. how often do you watch a fight between a striker and wrestler and see a successful takedown within the first minute? and cain did shoot in, just wasnt able to finish the takedown. far too many comments about what cain did wrong, and not enough about what junior did right. but to say dos santos was lucky is a bit of a stretch.
11/16/11 11:05 AM
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What is it with guys standing in front of Black House team members and getting knocked out?! First Vitor gets it, everybody says he was just standing there. Next Randy Couture, which really shocked me considering he's Mr Gameplan and has talked about 'solving the machida riddle' for years. Now we have Cain standing in front of Dos Santos acting like low kicks will do anything but get his face punched. I feel like Javier Mendez is too good a coach for this sort of thing.<br /><br />No disrespect to fighters mentioned, I just feel like the next guy that fights somebody from Black House should really try a different approach.

edit - I knew Couture would lose, just didn't expect it that way
11/16/11 11:09 AM
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I'm a big Cain fan. JDS did not get lucky, he landed what I would consider a skillfully, accurately and well timed punch. However there was simply no way Cain was going to have a realistic opportunity to beat a fighter of Dos Santos ability coming off shoulder surgery, rehab and a 13 month layoff. In fact it wouldn't shock me to see JDS drop the belt in his first defense coming off knee surgery.
11/16/11 11:10 AM
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I disagree, I think Cain under estimated JDS's power and reach. If you look at the fight, inside Cain was ok but when it came from way outside bam gets clipped and good night Irene. Imo.... Phone Post
11/16/11 11:12 AM
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That overhand right came from so far away. Do people not train for those? It's a pretty effective and well-known MMA punch. Hendo, Fedor, JDS.
11/16/11 11:32 AM
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TSMontana - It was only a minute into the fight. No way any of Velasquez's TD attempts would have succeeded, that early, given JDS's takedown defense. Cain was striking with him to set up the TD's later on in the round. JDS had perfect timing AND got lucky. Doubt the rematch would play out the same way, if both used the same strategies.
He has great hands and got lucky!?? Wow, funniest I've heard about this fight! Phone Post
11/16/11 11:39 AM
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I actually think Cain's mistake was going to his back after the shot.

He still had enough separation between him and JDS to turn it into a takedown attempt as Junior rushed in.

Ideally, he catches Junior off balance and takes him down. Even in a failed attempt, he could tie up and give himself time to shake off the cobwebs.
11/16/11 12:13 PM
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Douche - Im so damn tired of ppl acting as though Cain didn't attempt a TD. Cain tried a TD and JDS shrugged it off.

Cain has absolutely no head movement and was rumored to have injured his knee.

JDS measured Cain and set up that over hand right perfectly.

MMA has a long way to go especially when it comes to "experts" breaking down fights.


JDS is Chuck Liddell 2.0

 
11/16/11 12:41 PM
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fiercedragon -  NO! he should have blocked w/ his left and countered w/ a quick right hook...why doesn't anyone ever talk about DEFENSE!?!?
Yeah, just block. Facepalm Phone Post
11/16/11 1:24 PM
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 Junior is at his most dangerous in the first round... Cain should of just shot over and over even if they were stuffed.

Then by mid rnd 2 he could start mixing things up.
11/16/11 1:26 PM
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Douche - Im so damn tired of ppl acting as though Cain didn't attempt a TD. Cain tried a TD and JDS shrugged it off.

Cain has absolutely no head movement and was rumored to have injured his knee.

JDS measured Cain and set up that over hand right perfectly.

MMA has a long way to go especially when it comes to "experts" breaking down fights.


JDS is Chuck Liddell 2.0
Except jds actually has technical striking. Bad comparison imo <img src="/images/phone/droid.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>


Hence the 2.0 bit.

Its actually a good comparison.

They both use have accurate, powerful strikes that are excellent for timing grapplers.
11/16/11 1:30 PM
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Cain threw a punch and kept his head in one spot.. Didn't change levels, didn't create a new angle. Phone Post
11/16/11 2:08 PM
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To hit the man, exactly where he did, did involve some luck (easier to hit focus mitts within a 2 sq inch area, but try doing that on a moving target)...but a lot of skill as well. That is what I meant.
11/16/11 2:28 PM
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He was "lucky" only in the sense that there was no moving target. Cain threw a lazy punch, took a picture, and paid the price.
11/16/11 5:07 PM
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fiercedragon -  NO! he should have blocked w/ his left and countered w/ a quick right hook...why doesn't anyone ever talk about DEFENSE!?!?
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 i welcome any comment on what he should have done...

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