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12/8/11 5:45 PM
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RudeboyJudoka79
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Being a fulltime worker and student I cant afford injudy. what safeguarda can I take? what are the most threatening techniques as an uke?
12/8/11 11:06 PM
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Osoto gari I am always concerned about the knee getting hurt and from Osoto have had minor neck injuries (whiplash type)from hard throws where my head hit the tatami at the end of the throw. When you are thrown forward and tori doesn't rotate you so you fall on your back and breakfall but instead land on your shoulder on the side. Or tori drops down so low tori don't rotate properly and you pile drive into the tatami.
12/9/11 12:46 AM
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I think ive seen that throw. where he pulls you forward while it seems he will land on his back. then mid fall he whips you around to land on your back. I forget his name but he is a really short and hefty japanese olympian. I wish I could remember his name because hes incredible. I saw him do that move. would wearing knee braces be advisable? ive also seen some seionage where the uke lands on his side.
12/9/11 7:15 AM
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You can't wear them in competition so you could develope a mental block when you don't wear them. Do light randori until you are able to go at a faster speed. Work with older BB who won't hurt you or drill you into the mat and will rotate you properly. Pay attention to your stance/balance at all times to help avoid injury. More experience judoka may have beter thoughts on this.
12/11/11 12:12 AM
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 I really want to start Judo but I am coming off an outside of my knee strain/partial tear and a medial partial tear, which I had surgery on. I will be back to see the specialist next week to hopefully get the all clear to roll BJJ again but I am very worried about trips/throws.
I strained the outside of my knee getting trip thrown from a standing clinch and it put me out for 7 weeks. This was nearly a year ago and it still hurts even though scans and mri's have revealed nothing.

Would it be completely idiotic of me to train Judo in another 6 months when I am fully healed and have built up my leg muscles to prevent knee damage?
12/12/11 7:41 AM
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judoblackbelt - You can't wear them in competition so you could develope a mental block when you don't wear them. Do light randori until you are able to go at a faster speed. Work with older BB who won't hurt you or drill you into the mat and will rotate you properly. Pay attention to your stance/balance at all times to help avoid injury. More experience judoka may have beter thoughts on this.



actually, not hard braces (neoprene type) are allowable under IJF rules.
12/12/11 8:25 AM
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CS you are right, I am thinking of some with metal stabilizers on the sides that limit range of motion (bending). Non metal are OK in contests.
carcaju- You got hurt in BJJ doing takedowns from a clinch that can be dangerous in general. Learning judo throws on the crash pads, learn proper gripping and you won't be clinching anymore and developing the throwing mechanics should not get your knee reinjured. It is when you spar with other white belts and crazy situations develope where one guy is trying to muscle a throw when the other has their leg(s) locked or rigged. There is a lot to learn and develope without getting hurt. ANd when you knee is 100% you can do more active sparing.
12/12/11 9:12 AM
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carcaju -  I really want to start Judo but I am coming off an outside of my knee strain/partial tear and a medial partial tear, which I had surgery on. I will be back to see the specialist next week to hopefully get the all clear to roll BJJ again but I am very worried about trips/throws.
I strained the outside of my knee getting trip thrown from a standing clinch and it put me out for 7 weeks. This was nearly a year ago and it still hurts even though scans and mri's have revealed nothing.

Would it be completely idiotic of me to train Judo in another 6 months when I am fully healed and have built up my leg muscles to prevent knee damage?


Was it by a BJJer attempting to do kosoto gake? Most every bjjer I have worked out with does this throw with terrible tecnique. Unfortuntaley, most BJJers do not now how to counter or stop it. I got caught with it once, trying to not go to hard with some one and I thought the guy destroyed me knee. Hasn't happened since.
12/12/11 4:43 PM
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I forgot to add and echo ThePester comments we had a very good bjj blue belt take judo for the 8 week seession this summer and he did a similar move on a visiting judo Brown belt and hurt his knee. The brown belt was very average and had no experience with BJJ tactics like the one described above.
12/15/11 12:01 PM
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 Well it wasnt a takedown per say and the grips were the same as traditional Judo grips.

It was more like an Osoto Gari or stright out cross leg trip at the knee, except my knee never bent, it was locked straight.

Thanks for the advice.
12/15/11 12:10 PM
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carcaju -  Well it wasnt a takedown per say and the grips were the same as traditional Judo grips.

It was more like an Osoto Gari or stright out cross leg trip at the knee, except my knee never bent, it was locked straight.

Thanks for the advice.


Those are common as well, not just BJJers, but noob judo guys are just as guilty, if not moreso on that one.
12/15/11 12:12 PM
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JBB,

Why I gotta be thePester? Do I pester you? haha.

It's the PETEster. Just like the HULKster, get it?

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12/17/11 10:59 PM
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The truth is that if you do Judo, there is a good chance that you will be I injured. It's the nature of the game. To move the odds to your advantage, don't muscle your techniques, be careful who you work with, warm up, and lift weights. Phone Post
12/18/11 6:50 PM
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OK the Petester, got it right this time. And yes the BJJ guys always do a kosoto gake and end up injuring someone. It is like a leap forward and hook the leg by the knee and fall down. Very dangerous to say the least.
Carcaju- judo guys try Osoto from off balancing you on one leg backwards and reaping the leg in back of the knee. Not come crashing down on a straight leg just to get a throw. Sounds like you weren't off balanced. Poor throwing technique usually gets someone hurt. Remember you don't have to spar all out and get injured. There is much more to do in judo and have fun.
12/20/11 10:35 AM
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 No, I had very good balnace, he didnt reap the knee forward like a trip, sideways with all my weight on it as he tried to muscle the trip. I did end up going flying and landed pretty heavily with him in my side mount. I broke fell well enough, it was just that my knee extended beyond 180 degrees sideways.
I like Judo though, and feel it has some real benefits for my BJJ and even MMA if I choose to do that in the future. Some guy got a beautiful foot sweep on me at the recent Pan Pacs just from a standard grip. Push, pull trip. I was stunned, impressed, then scrambled for half guard :)
12/20/11 2:27 PM
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RudeboyJudoka79 - Being a fulltime worker and student I cant afford injudy. what safeguarda can I take? what are the most threatening techniques as an uke?


Throws from a white-belt.

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