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12/21/11 9:07 AM
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Jon Jones’ trainer Mike Winkeljohn joined the Sherdog Radio Network’s “Savage Dog Show” to discuss their strategy against Lyoto Machida at UFC 140, the finish and more.

“[Jones] was sticking to the game plan for the most part, except for failing to move his head off that line that we knew Machida was going to be striking on. Machida’s very linear with what he does, and so we don’t want to be there. [Jones] was not doing that, and it’s my fault for not instilling the confidence in him to do that at first. It did take to the second round for us to get him to do that, but the game plan was to pick him apart a little bit from the outside. I figured we would catch him with the standup and hurt him and then when he goes down, we’d be able to finish him.”

“He’s capable of so many more things that he does in the gym quite often. He has knockout power in both hands when he wants to throw them. He’s just at that point where he doesn’t have enough experience yet to trust his motion and his distancing as Anderson Silva does now. But soon, he’ll be Anderson Silva-like with his standup.”

“His feet are getting to the point where people don’t want to be taking those kicks. They will be at the highest K-1 kickboxing level here soon. It’s just a matter of time through repetition and confidence to get there. People haven’t seen how explosive his knees are. We’ve seen him drop elbows on people, but he can do that standing up as well. I know one buzzed by Machida early in the fight. He’s capable of becoming so much better than he is right now. He’s just scary.

"I don’t know what people are going to do with him. Really. He’s getting faster. I think he’s going to have a jab that’s going to be comparable to a Muhammad Ali jab as far as dominating his opponent when he wants to use it.”

“I guess I don’t pay enough attention to how he’s perceived on the Internet and stuff, but there’s always those people that are haters. I think a lot of it’s just jealousy of the fact that he’s come up so fast. Maybe fear that somebody’s going to dominate, but he’s not that bad guy. He’s a good kid. He’s giving and caring and he tries to help other people in the gym. He’s kind of become a leader in the gym in a small way, even though [he’s] a young guy.”

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12/21/11 9:24 AM
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I believe he can be "anderson silva like" but not a fan of Jones, but i am a fan of his fighting style

I want more 205 fighters to compete with Jones or have him move up.. cause we know if he does fight/beat Evans or Henderson, he dominates 205. I believe in my man Hendo to pull off a win / or great fight

Would LOVE to see a rematch with Machida though!!!!
I went crazy for Machida watching him dive for Jones.

12/21/11 9:28 AM
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All true.
12/21/11 9:42 AM
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As a 6'6" fellow chicken legger, I endorse this man. Phone Post
12/21/11 9:43 AM
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General consensus: Not a Fan, but yes, he is on his way to Anderson-like skills. As I've always said, I liked him more when he credited God and talked about his fiance and kids. This guy he has morphed into, that is seems very arrogant one moment and pseudo-humble another is not my cup of tea.

Note: His coach, unlike some of you morons, does not believe he is there yet.
12/21/11 9:43 AM
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SO, JONES IS GOING TO START DOING STAND-UP COMEDY? BAD IDEA IMO
12/21/11 9:47 AM
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Oversized "Anderson Silva Like" in Heavyweight Lol That would be tight and a lot more interesting then having this tall ass person picking on people smaller than him ahaha.

I love Anderson Silva my fav fighter, no one can compare to him, i dont even think he has used half of his techniques in the cage yet
12/21/11 10:12 AM
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I am by no means a pro, but to me it seems as if Jon has a very LONG way to go before reaching Anderson's skill level on his feet.  Jon is good on his feet, but lets not forget that most of the damage he has caused has been from devastating ground attacks.  If Jon could ever get that level of fluidity to his striking it would be amazing to watch, but I think he is years from that level.  There is only one Anderson Silva.  Jon should continue to develop his game based on the model he has started to develop and it is completely different from Anderon's game. 
12/21/11 10:20 AM
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It will get even better yes, not Anderson like. Imo.... Phone Post
12/21/11 10:20 AM
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robbie380 - I am by no means a pro, but to me it seems as if Jon has a very LONG way to go before reaching Anderson's skill level on his feet.  Jon is good on his feet, but lets not forget that most of the damage he has caused has been from devastating ground attacks.  If Jon could ever get that level of fluidity to his striking it would be amazing to watch, but I think he is years from that level.  There is only one Anderson Silva.  Jon should continue to develop his game based on the model he has started to develop and it is completely different from Anderon's game. 


He does have a long way to go, and being only 24 helps. His stand up game is limited now, and he has not learned how to deal with exchanges yet. His biggest asset, imo, is his wrestling and his reach. The guy goes into every fight with a near 12" reach advantage on some people. He can throw kicks or punches and retreat before anyone can leap in to land things. He showed good composure though when Lyoto did land on him.

IMO the longer he goes unbeaten, the better he gets and the less chance anyone has to beat him. At that point the only way he will lose if because of himself, ala GSP/Serra.

Its crazy how he can put someone on his back and land elbows from someones guard like the person does not even have guard. His arms are so long its surreal.

IMO Shogun, Rampage and Lyoto all had ways to beat him and all of them failed to do anything at all to him, which is scary.

And this is his coach talking, so of course he is going to hype him. In one interview he compares him to Ali, top K1 level and Anderson Silva.
12/21/11 10:27 AM
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He also said Rashad's stand-up was Mike Tysons-like. Phone Post
12/21/11 10:28 AM
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No way he'll be as good at striking as anderson. He may very well become an excellent striker but not on silvas level. Phone Post
12/21/11 10:33 AM
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I'm sorry, but this will never happen. There's not even enough time in Jone's career to catch up to Silva.

With his reach, he could become nearly as EFFECTIVE as Silva in the striking, but I seriously doubt his timing will ever catch up with Silva, as Silva has been training striking 6 hours a day every day for nearly 20 years.

Jones is good, he's got a HUGE reach, which means a lot of range and leverage (leverage is force amplified by distance), but technically, Jones style is to stand still and throw 1-2 strike combinations, which again, is effective, but he doesn't come close to Silva in terms of controlling range, lateral movement, unpredictability, head movement, power, form, or defense.
12/21/11 10:38 AM
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robbie380 - I am by no means a pro, but to me it seems as if Jon has a very LONG way to go before reaching Anderson's skill level on his feet.  Jon is good on his feet, but lets not forget that most of the damage he has caused has been from devastating ground attacks.  If Jon could ever get that level of fluidity to his striking it would be amazing to watch, but I think he is years from that level.  There is only one Anderson Silva.  Jon should continue to develop his game based on the model he has started to develop and it is completely different from Anderon's game. 
He does have a long way to go, and being only 24 helps. His stand up game is limited now, and he has not learned how to deal with exchanges yet. His biggest asset, imo, is his wrestling and his reach. The guy goes into every fight with a near 12" reach advantage on some people. He can throw kicks or punches and retreat before anyone can leap in to land things. He showed good composure though when Lyoto did land on him.

IMO the longer he goes unbeaten, the better he gets and the less chance anyone has to beat him. At that point the only way he will lose if because of himself, ala GSP/Serra.

Its crazy how he can put someone on his back and land elbows from someones guard like the person does not even have guard. His arms are so long its surreal.

IMO Shogun, Rampage and Lyoto all had ways to beat him and all of them failed to do anything at all to him, which is scary.

And this is his coach talking, so of course he is going to hype him. In one interview he compares him to Ali, top K1 level and Anderson Silva.

 The Lyoto's shots were the best chance anyone has had to KO Jones.  He took those shots like a champ and punished Lyoto for them.  It certainly seems as if Jones and Anderson have an amazing chin in common.  Anyhow, Jones will learn from what he did wrong and I think Lyoto showed him he really needs to tighten up his defense. 

I'm really excited to see how Jon continues to develop.  It truly is amazing that he isn't even close to his prime yet.  That being said I don't think anyone in the LHW division will challenge him.  It seems as if he will have to move to HW to actually get tested.  It would be amazing to see Jones v Dos Santos.  Junior is the only guy around who I think could knock Jones out cold and they are pretty close in size.
12/21/11 10:48 AM
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yeah...okay
12/21/11 10:48 AM
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I stopped reading after the thread title on this bull shit.

Jones throws his strikes like a kid after watching Enter The Dragon.
12/21/11 10:50 AM
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when he fought shogun, it felt like i was watching those professional street fighter tournaments on youtube, Jones being controlled by virgin asian kid with a custom 6 button arcade stick, and shogun being controlled by a noob white kid with a chunky xbox360 controller, it didnt seem real.
12/21/11 10:51 AM
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Jon Jones doesn't even need to improve since no one has been capable of beating him. He takes a lot of criticism without reason; he has already defeated all your favourite guys in a couple of years and he's going to be really unstoppable in few years more. If anyone plans to beat him he must hurry because there's so little time untill his next improvement.
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<blockquote>Better Mouse Trap - I stopped reading after the thread title on this bull shit.<br /><br />Jones throws his strikes like a kid after watching Enter The Dragon.</blockquote><br /><br /><br />Anderson didnt look like Anderson, when he fought Chael(yeah yeah Mcribwhich) , not everyone can look like bruce lee every fight, even the man closest to bruce lee(silva).<br /><br />in both instances , they still won. and in Jones case. it took him one round to figure Lyoto's timing, the left he through to wobble the dragon was so quick, you would have threw they both through punchs at the same time, but it was just a perfectly timed counter punch.
12/21/11 11:16 AM
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I don't think that he'll ever be on Silva's level. However, if he develops a decent jab, starts throwing combinations and starts sitting down on his shots to take advantage the power that Winkeljohn claims that he has, he'll be even more of a monster and probably close to unbeatable at 205.
12/21/11 11:29 AM
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well he better learn to tuck his chin and keep his hands up when he's attempting "Anderson Silva" type of striking.
12/21/11 11:31 AM
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I'm surprised no one as brought this up yet. Jones is a very good striker and will become great but never on Anderson's level for one reason...precision. Anderson is the most precise striker in MMA history and I don't think Jones will ever get on a level that can compare to Silva. On the other hand Jon Jones as great reach and length and knows how to use them a tremendous killer instinct and he's only in his early 20's. He might become as great as Anderson but will never become quite the striker Silva is. Phone Post
12/21/11 11:34 AM
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lildragonof - It will get even better yes, not Anderson like. Imo.... <img src="/images/phone/droid.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>


this. Bones can become a great striker but on Silva's level? I don't think so
12/21/11 11:37 AM
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 i doubt it. Anderson is once in a lifetime striker.

compare anderson's striking skills to jordan's basketball skills.  Kobe or leron or whoever came after, but they don't match jordan's skills.
12/21/11 11:44 AM
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robbie380 -  The Lyoto's shots were the best chance anyone has had to KO Jones.  He took those shots like a champ and punished Lyoto for them.  It certainly seems as if Jones and Anderson have an amazing chin in common.  Anyhow, Jones will learn from what he did wrong and I think Lyoto showed him he really needs to tighten up his defense. 

I'm really excited to see how Jon continues to develop.  It truly is amazing that he isn't even close to his prime yet.  That being said I don't think anyone in the LHW division will challenge him.  It seems as if he will have to move to HW to actually get tested.  It would be amazing to see Jones v Dos Santos.  Junior is the only guy around who I think could knock Jones out cold and they are pretty close in size.

 I cannot agree. He took them, as in he didn't get KO'd by them, but his reaction to them was not "like a champ". Great to see his chin tested though, as that is there. He need to work on how he reacts to getting hit though. Sadly, that only comes with in cage experience. Getting hit in the gym is just not the same.

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