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Just an article on the overhand counter Alistair uses. From http://fightsgoneby.blogspot.com/2012/01/cross-counter.html

Some techniques get better with age, like a fine wine, and the Cross Counter is certainly one of them. The term "cross" has some to mean a straight right hand to the head, when in fact it originally referred to a right hook combined with a slip to the left - or what is commonly termed an "overhand".

Unlike the modern overhand we see utilized in Mixed Martial Arts by inexperienced strikers, the Cross Counter is designed to place your head inside of your opponent's jab so that your looping punch can travel over the top of his extended arm. The move came to prominence under the great Joe Gans but had existed even before he began fighting in the late 1890s. In the Spalding athletic library's first volume on boxing - guest written in part by the first gloved heavyweight champion John L. Sullivan - a great many variations of the Cross Counter are given. Here is a picture from the longtime Soviet boxing team head coach K. V. Gradapolov's book "Tactics of Foreign Masters". Gans is on the right, performing his cross counter over an opponent's jab.

The overhand has been called the great equalizer, but in truth the Cross Counter is even more dangerous. As so many top boxers and fighters have been taught to "establish the jab", it is almost certain that a fighter will open 90% of his combinations with a jab. A great many competitors who have been overmatched on paper have been able to land spectacular knockout blows on a complacent "scientific boxer" through the use of the Cross Counter from the opening bell.


The article continues at http://fightsgoneby.blogspot.com/2012/01/cross-counter.html It discusses Aleksander Emelianenko and Alistair Overeem and contains videos which I can't embed here.
1/4/12 1:49 PM
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+1. Nice first post. Keep it coming. Going to bookmark the article and read later.

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Nice first post. Voted up.

I remember when my old boxing coach taught me this type of overhand. I use it very effectively, sometimes I mix it up with the "casting punch". It's most effective when you have peppered the other guy with strikes to the head and body and he is backing up. When he got his back against the wall you can just wail on him while controlling the distance.
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I like this...
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Authority Figure - +1. Nice first post. Keep it coming. Going to bookmark the article and read later.

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I am both, I didn't want to plug the blog too much just get some feedback on the articles but I can't embed vids here XD

Thanks for the feedback =) I'm going to be uploading fresh articles fairly often over the next couple of weeks.
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Good thread. I mentioned this technique in that "JDS wins because of speed" thread. Alistair likes to counter people who jab with this technique as shown in the Edwards fight above



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great blog post...

I don't think the biggest problem with the overhand is just the sloppy looping part that you often see, it's also the posture of the guy throwing it is completely off balance and looking down rather than at his opponent.

Meanwhile the guy throwing the jab not only let it hang out there, but never rolled the shoulder to protect the chin.
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 Overeem is a great counter puncher. This is one of the reasons I think he has a great chance of beating JDS. My favorite counter of his is his hook Ko of Badr Hari.


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- found that site last night and bookmarked it--  awesome articles.  he's got another one about the "lever punch" thats pretty interesting too.
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Seems like it also leaves him open to duck right in to the monster uppercut that Dos Santos likes to throw.
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Nice technique! I remember seeing Thiago Alves land this punch in his fight with Chris Lytle Phone Post
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 great blog- voted up for said greatness.
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 wow, awesome article.

vtfu, you r the first 12er i have seen and you came off with an excellent first impression.
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Thanks everybody! Thank you for the gifs of Alistair as well! I could never work gifs out XD
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Best first post ever!

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