UnderGround Forums
 

Judo/Sambo UnderGround >> World class grappling judo vs BJJ no gi


1/5/12 6:10 PM
Ignore | Quote | Vote Down | Vote Up
judoblackbelt
28 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile

Member Since: 3/28/07
Posts: 1911
 
Found this post on the Underground Forum and thought the members would enjoy it. Tiago Camilo (judo) vs Demain Maia(BJJ)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyYLBGErC2I

If someone could post this here so it would play it would be greatly appreciated.
1/6/12 4:06 PM
Ignore | Quote | Vote Down | Vote Up
SuperMannyFraker
8 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile

Member Since: 2/15/09
Posts: 894
 Thanks for the post. Very interesting video.
1/6/12 5:42 PM
Ignore | Quote | Vote Down | Vote Up
Jumbo Reverse Shrimp
27 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile

Edited: 01/06/12 5:43 PM
Member Since: 9/21/11
Posts: 266
My mistake...
1/7/12 11:27 AM
Ignore | Quote | Vote Down | Vote Up
traneufcisback
Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile

Member Since: 3/18/11
Posts: 4342
 
1/7/12 11:32 AM
Ignore | Quote | Vote Down | Vote Up
traneufcisback
Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile

Member Since: 3/18/11
Posts: 4343
 I would preferred to see them have done some ne waza with the gi on, I think that would have been more interesting. It is clear the Judo guy is very familiar with BJJ and has trained with some good guys. IT is great to see BJJ and Judo sharing training nowadays.
1/7/12 2:33 PM
Ignore | Quote | Vote Down | Vote Up
judoblackbelt
28 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile

Member Since: 3/28/07
Posts: 1915
traneufc, thanks for posting the video, appreciate it. The judo guy is Olympic level competitor. Took Bronze in 81K at the 2008 Olympics. The video shows Olympic judo guys are fairly skilled on the ground against world clss BJJ players even though their primary strength is standup. With a gi the BJJ guy would have no chance standup. And there is nothing to prove for a world class judo guy throwing a a world class BJJ guy. What makes judo guys so tough is the World Class competitions you compete in to get points to be ranked in the top 22 in your weight brkt to qualify for the Olympics. Grueling journey for any Olympian qualifier. Can you imagine fighting maybe 10 world class events every year against the best players from around the world?
1/9/12 9:51 AM
Ignore | Quote | Vote Down | Vote Up
panic686
80 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile

Member Since: 3/18/02
Posts: 16805
The thread on the UG about this got ridiculous. Love the vid but it shows clearly in my mind that neither guy was going especially hard. They have a great training session and it looks awesome to do.
1/11/12 8:21 AM
Ignore | Quote | Vote Down | Vote Up
judoblackbelt
28 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile

Member Since: 3/28/07
Posts: 1918
This training video should help cast a more positive light of judo guys on the ground but many give their most biased view as you mentioned on the UG Forum.
4/2/12 5:00 PM
Ignore | Quote | Vote Down | Vote Up
ChanceDuBois
Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile

Edited: 04/02/12 5:33 PM
Member Since: 6/2/03
Posts: 9982
edit
4/2/12 5:19 PM
Ignore | Quote | Vote Down | Vote Up
raleigh
Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile

Member Since: 11/13/08
Posts: 16552
bahh - judo sucks.

-ATAMA FORUM
4/2/12 5:54 PM
Ignore | Quote | Vote Down | Vote Up
ChanceDuBois
Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile

Member Since: 6/2/03
Posts: 10002
This guy actually pretty much smashed Maia. Nice performance
4/3/12 6:17 AM
Ignore | Quote | Vote Down | Vote Up
judoblackbelt
28 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile

Member Since: 3/28/07
Posts: 1995
The bjjers would like to live in their "BJJ world" so to speak and revel in how superior their grappling is to judo. In some ways it is. They just can't admit how good judo really is at the world class level. And they know their top guys would not be competitive in judo. At least no one has tried to. They can't stand the fact Ronda Rousey is submitting everyone with arm bars from her judo background. Now they want to credit her performance to her BJJ training.
4/3/12 2:21 PM
Ignore | Quote | Vote Down | Vote Up
PoWdA101
821 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile

Member Since: 4/21/10
Posts: 973
I just watched this video on the Atama forum. Very surprised to see Maia getting handled like that. Another poster said he saw an interview with Maia where he was saying that he was exhausted as the training for the day consisted of sending fresh guys in after him while he had no breaks but not sure if it is true or not. I will say that I respect Judokas ground game very much. Obviously the highest level BJJ guy is going to have a better ground game than the highest level Judoka but anyone who thinks a Judo black belt can't hold their own on the ground is beyond retarded.
4/3/12 8:37 PM
Ignore | Quote | Vote Down | Vote Up
Horus2001
46 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile

Member Since: 8/3/04
Posts: 840
judoblackbelt - The bjjers would like to live in their "BJJ world" so to speak and revel in how superior their grappling is to judo. In some ways it is. They just can't admit how good judo really is at the world class level. And they know their top guys would not be competitive in judo. At least no one has tried to. They can't stand the fact Ronda Rousey is submitting everyone with arm bars from her judo background. Now they want to credit her performance to her BJJ training.


you do realize in brazil, they live side by side. Anderson Leal was a brown belt in bjj. he was a judo player and not a bjj player. Anderson received his black belt in 2003 from Brazilian Top Team (BTT) founder and UFC champion Murilo Bustamante after winning the Mundials. Anderson is also a world-class judoka and former member of the Brazilian National Team.

when i trained with him, he blended the two together and did not show a bias towards either, his stand up and ground is amazing.

when i was in brazil, there was no trash talking judo. why would they? judo is the stand up they use. they really don't have a wresting tradition to draw upon. it is not like america either, they don't feel the need to put it down in order to talk up judo.

I think the gracies poisoned the water with the video tapes from long ago. that along with a few judokas who entered the ufc and other cage events that weren't really prepared.
if you switched out the judo players from back then with the average sport bjj player, you would have the same outcome.

rorion had a vested interest in showing judo in a bad light and ever since then, it has created conflict in the US.
4/3/12 8:57 PM
Ignore | Quote | Vote Down | Vote Up
JoshuaResnick
8 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile

Member Since: 6/12/02
Posts: 12506
i hate stupid threads like this. people always saying there is a this vs that. there isnt. they just train. who gives a damn. is it really that odd to think that two really good athletes would train together?
4/3/12 10:34 PM
Ignore | Quote | Vote Down | Vote Up
Horus2001
46 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile

Member Since: 8/3/04
Posts: 841
JoshuaResnick - i hate stupid threads like this. people always saying there is a this vs that. there isnt. they just train. who gives a damn. is it really that odd to think that two really good athletes would train together?


this is my point, in brazil, it is not a big deal. it seems in the US does this sort of myopic categorizing of training occur. the only thing this serves to do is prevent people from training together as people will make noise about who beat whom...
4/4/12 11:54 AM
Ignore | Quote | Vote Down | Vote Up
judoblackbelt
28 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile

Member Since: 3/28/07
Posts: 1996
Horus2001- I saw Anderson Leal at the 2010 judo nationals when he finished 2nd in the Open division and lost to Tokuzo Takahashi (JPN)/Tenri judo club CA.in the Open division. He said he was 36 yrs old. Had a chance to chat with him since I never saw hiom before. Excellent judo. You could tell he was experienced. My first thoughts were he is from BJJ background but his standup was upper level player. Didn't know his BJJ background. I understand what you are saying but try and explain it to those on the BJJ forum with their biased views.
4/4/12 2:11 PM
Ignore | Quote | Vote Down | Vote Up
Spartan79
Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile

Member Since: 1/1/11
Posts: 383
I think so many people have brought in to the BJJ bubble and payed though the nose for it! Then they have to believe their art is the be all and end all they have been spoon fead it for years. Tell em they now need a takedown art too. Lol and one that's three or four times cheaper and has ground work lol lol no wonder they are pissed! Cross training in these two arts can only make the individual a better grappler. Phone Post
4/4/12 7:04 PM
Ignore | Quote | Vote Down | Vote Up
Horus2001
46 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile

Member Since: 8/3/04
Posts: 843
judoblackbelt - Horus2001- I saw Anderson Leal at the 2010 judo nationals when he finished 2nd in the Open division and lost to Tokuzo Takahashi (JPN)/Tenri judo club CA.in the Open division. He said he was 36 yrs old. Had a chance to chat with him since I never saw hiom before. Excellent judo. You could tell he was experienced. My first thoughts were he is from BJJ background but his standup was upper level player. Didn't know his BJJ background. I understand what you are saying but try and explain it to those on the BJJ forum with their biased views.


standard disclaimer, i am a bjj black belt. i have tried to enlighten my brethren who fail to see judo for what is has to offer.

my biggest gripe is pretty much anyone who drank the gracie kool aid is not able to see beyond the hype. i have trained with really good judo players and in brazil with bjj players so i have been able to experience it first hand.


if i am asked, i have no problem telling people that bjj stands for basically just judo...


4/4/12 7:07 PM
Ignore | Quote | Vote Down | Vote Up
Horus2001
46 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile

Member Since: 8/3/04
Posts: 844
thinking about it... maybe it is just as well to let the bjj guys think they way they do. only through experience does one grow, when they get tossed a few times and armbarred before they hit the ground, an epiphany will result...
4/4/12 8:24 PM
Ignore | Quote | Vote Down | Vote Up
judoblackbelt
28 The total sum of your votes up and votes down Send Private Message Add Comment To Profile

Member Since: 3/28/07
Posts: 1997
One thing about world class judo players is they travel to other countries in general to train, not just complete. And Brazil is one of the countries they go to. Hope you continue to be a contributor on this forum.

Reply Post

You must log in to post a reply. Click here to login.