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1/12/12 11:19 AM
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dangerboy12
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I personally don't like the pass first mentality, but this guy seems to be really good at it. He isn't over matched athletically like some predicted. His shooting is average to above average, not bad to horrible like higher rated young PG's like Irving, Wall, Walker etc.

I don't like his style, but I am willing to admit he is good at what he does. Is he a RoY candidate?
1/12/12 11:40 AM
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good.high IQ,facking awesome court vision.jumper is ok,defense is slightly above avg and can rebound.might also be enjoying a Rick Adelman offense that works with his skillset.
also definitely fun to watch.
1/12/12 12:03 PM
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 uh yes he's certainly he's very good. Especially for a young player. Kids got the look of a star.
1/12/12 12:17 PM
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  "I personally don't like the pass first mentality, but this guy seems to be really good at it."

He's a point guard, good mentality.  Kid's a stud.
1/13/12 1:00 PM
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Haven't seen him play yet this year, but I didn't think he'd be very good. Looks like I was wrong...
1/13/12 1:03 PM
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I think it's a strong sign that the euro leagues are getting a lot better.

This years Olympics will be very interesting.
1/13/12 1:04 PM
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 Looking back on it all I'd rather the Kings picked him than Tyreke.
1/13/12 1:11 PM
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Cousins is the real deal though, if he can keep his head straight.

Looking back it's pretty clear he should have been picked first, I thought he was the best available even back then, but I value big scorers pretty highly.


1/13/12 1:12 PM
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I'd rather have Tyreke than Rubio though, but I just wouldn't put the ball in his hands much.
1/13/12 1:19 PM
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"Cousins is the real deal though, if he can keep his head straight."

Agreed.



"I'd rather have Tyreke than Rubio though, but I just wouldn't put the ball in his hands much."

No way, once he gets the ball its lost in the black hole. 
1/13/12 1:26 PM
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yeah but sometimes you need that guy who is gonna do what it takes to get a shot. The key is to not let him be anything close to a team leader. Put him in his place.

I guess if I was running a team with no real stars, I agree I'd rather have Rubio. If I had some established players leading the team, Tyreke would be very nice to have as a change of pace guy. Kind of like your beloved Bobby Jackson.
1/13/12 1:32 PM
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"yeah but sometimes you need that guy who is gonna do what it takes to get a shot."

We do, his name is Marcus Thornton.  I love me some Bobby Jackson and can see the similarities as far as being a scorer, but Tyreke has no vision other than tunnel.  Dude forces so many bad shots and passes cause he's not looking for anything other than his shot, and when it's not there it's either a turnover or a bad shot.  frustrating as hell. 
1/13/12 2:01 PM
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^hey floppy,seen some Kings games this year,and I get a feeling maybe Thornton could be the better main guy for the Kings.dude can score,do you think Tyreke freezes him out on purpose?
1/13/12 2:13 PM
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 Man, as soon as they got Thornton last year when Tyreke got injured it took about 2 games for me to ask the question if they would be able to make it work when Tyreke came back healthy.  I don't think Tyreke freezes him out on purpose, I just think he's the most selfish undercover shooting guard to pretend to play point guard in the history of the sport.  Tyreke has a little bit of size and athleticism over Marcus, if it weren't for that I'd take Marcus over Tyreke allday everyday.  I've been thinking about possible trade scenarios involving Tyreke for the last week or so. lol

But to your question, if they continue to pretend Tyreke is a capable point guard and let him keep pretending that he is actually playing that position then there are going to be problems for this team until they sort that shit out.  I can't really answer the question clearly until they figureit out, because as it stands their starting rotation consists of two sg's, (Thornton has the better shot) sf, pf, and center.  Point guard needs to be sorted out and I doubt Marcus or Tyreke would be willing to come off the bench to back up the other sg.  Trade is inevitable imo.
1/13/12 2:14 PM
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I listen to the guys covering the kings and they clearly like Thornton more, they even view him as the franchise player over Cousins, which I don't agree with.
1/13/12 2:22 PM
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  "they even view him as the franchise player over Cousins"

Where are you hearing this?  I haven't heard that and find that they do a pretty good job not getting into these types of discussions when I'm watching the games.  If they say that regarding Thornton and Cousins it's only because of the problematic behavior Cousins has shown, which absolutely can not be overlooked. 
1/13/12 2:27 PM
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The Kings really need a SF who is good with the ball in his hands, and a PG who doubles as a spot up shooter, like JIMMER!

So basically you need to dump Evans for a versatile 3. Maybe a Danny Granger if he can get healthy or Rudy Gay or a guy along those lines.
1/13/12 2:34 PM
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Floppy Divac -   "they even view him as the franchise player over Cousins"

Where are you hearing this?  I haven't heard that and find that they do a pretty good job not getting into these types of discussions when I'm watching the games.  If they say that regarding Thornton and Cousins it's only because of the problematic behavior Cousins has shown, which absolutely can not be overlooked.  <br type="_moz" />


Oh I just go by how much they love Thornton it seems. The love Cousins too, but those guys calling the games go crazy for some Marcus Thornton. I've heard the one guy say "He can do it all!" on more than one occasion. They probably don't even think about franchise or non franchise players, but it's clear to me Thornton is their favorite player on the team.
1/13/12 2:49 PM
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I hear what you're saying about sf.  Salmons has been struggling lately but I'm not ready to give up on him just yet considering all the problems this team has had so far.  Isaiah Thomas has looked really good for the Kings at pg so far.  Jimmer has the shot but Isaiah has shown more lately.  Kings got two stud pg rookies this year, even though they are very different with Jimmer being more of a sg between the two.  Dump Evans and Salmons for CP3.  lol ;)
1/13/12 3:00 PM
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I don't think you need a floor general PG at all.


Chicago, Miami, Philly, Orlando, San Antonio, Dallas, LA Lakers, OKC, basically all of the best teams do just fine with PG's with a limited role, or score first, get fouled second, pass third PG's. The floor general PG is overrated, big time.
1/13/12 4:35 PM
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Floor general PGs hardly exist anymore because modern players are selfish. There's no question in my mind that adding a good one can improve any team. If you can find him.
1/13/12 4:40 PM
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the truth is they never were that successful.

The nature of the game is the reason. Every player is allowed to do the same exact things. You don't need specialists like in other sports.

Basketball is actually a lot closer to hockey and soccer than say football or baseball, and their aren't primary ball or puck handlers in those sports. Why would you want one guy doing all of the distributing and ball handling, when you can spread those responsibilities among 5 players.
1/13/12 4:58 PM
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Rubio is the new Pistol Pete Maravich.
1/13/12 7:16 PM
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dangerboy12 - the truth is they never were that successful.


Bob Cousy and Oscar Robertson and Magic Johnson and John Stockton and Steve Nash would all beg to differ. Just to name a few of many.
1/13/12 7:34 PM
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OK i'll give you Cousy and Stockton.

Magic and Oscar were big guys who could do it all. They were like Lebron Jameses on the floor, so, yeah, if you've got a Lebron James out there you are fine lol.

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