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1/13/12 8:44 PM
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Congrats Master Royler!!!
1/13/12 8:45 PM
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from his twitter page: http://twitter.com/#!/RoylerGracie/status/157991007353450497/photo/1
1/13/12 9:10 PM
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Well deserved, Royler is a great representative of BJJ.
1/13/12 9:40 PM
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 awesome.  Royce  should be next right?
 
1/13/12 9:47 PM
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Awesome. Did a seminar with Royler. He is a true master of Jiu Jitsu. Phone Post
1/13/12 10:06 PM
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1/14/12 2:19 AM
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hey bruno panno sitting right next to rickson. mad props
1/14/12 2:37 AM
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"Royce should be next right?"

I believe Relson will be up for Red before Royce is up for coral.
1/14/12 7:15 AM
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damn, hickson just handing these things out like candy now. freakin' mcdojos...












































/smack talking
1/14/12 7:22 AM
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Gracie North Carolina, Chief Instructor
Congratulations to my instructor of so many years.

Parabéns Mestre Royler!
1/14/12 8:02 AM
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DaveM - "Royce should be next right?"

I believe Relson will be up for Red before Royce is up for coral.
I presume you mean:

 
not:
Coral-colored dress:


Great group photo. Rickson looks a little pale and tired??

1/14/12 8:05 AM
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DaveM - "Royce should be next right?"

I believe Relson will be up for Red before Royce is up for coral.

 Relson has had it for years now.   I believe the Royce would be next and then Robin.
1/14/12 8:13 AM
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" Relson has had it for years now. I believe the Royce would be next and then Robin."

No, Relson is a coral belt, not red. I said Relson will be up for RED before Royce is up for coral... ie, Relson will probably be the next of the brothers to be promoted.
1/14/12 8:25 AM
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^^ I hope so
1/14/12 12:24 PM
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congrats royler
1/14/12 12:46 PM
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Just curious, would Rorion be the one to promote Relson to red belt?
1/14/12 1:51 PM
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 Judging by the fact that Rickson is wearing his wristwatch he probably didn't do anything else except to put on his gi and to give out a speech. I wonder if he still actively trains at all?
1/14/12 4:17 PM
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DaveM - " Relson has had it for years now. I believe the Royce would be next and then Robin."

No, Relson is a coral belt, not red. I said Relson will be up for RED before Royce is up for coral... ie, Relson will probably be the next of the brothers to be promoted.

 ahhhh
1/14/12 5:40 PM
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like JJ, too soon.

no doubting his great achievements in the sport and acknowledging his role running Humaita and creating saulo/xande, but he is only 46, this is an older mans belt - the other guys to take this belt in the past few years have been well in their 50's and black belts for over 30 years (in most cases). Royler was a kid blue belt when these guys were black belts.

Helio's side of the family have reduced the black belt degree system to having almost no meaning - what are these promotions even supposed to signify? at least the ibjjf are trying to tie specific #s of year milestones to the belts.
1/14/12 5:55 PM
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^ sour grapes.
Just be happy for him. He's accomplished a hell of a lot more than any of us have.

Bringing the ibjjf into any argument is not going to win you points.

These guys have been training since infants..., anything they want to do within their own art is legitimate.

1/14/12 7:07 PM
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Royler has been a Black Belt for 28 years, he is more than deserving his 7 th degree seeing how Rickson was given his 7 th at 30 but he chose to wear his black belt because he was still active and did not wear the red/black at 8 th degree instead of 7 th. The orginal times for degrees from Helio/Carlos Sr was 20 yrs as black belt for 8 th degree, 40 yrs as black belt for 9 th degree and 60 yrs as Black belt for 10 th degree.
1/15/12 12:22 AM
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graciesrule - Royler has been a Black Belt for 28 years, he is more than deserving his 7 th degree seeing how Rickson was given his 7 th at 30 but he chose to wear his black belt because he was still active and did not wear the red/black at 8 th degree instead of 7 th. The orginal times for degrees from Helio/Carlos Sr was 20 yrs as black belt for 8 th degree, 40 yrs as black belt for 9 th degree and 60 yrs as Black belt for 10 th degree.



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1/15/12 1:19 AM
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SlapUsilly - ^ sour grapes.
Just be happy for him. He's accomplished a hell of a lot more than any of us have.

Bringing the ibjjf into any argument is not going to win you points.

These guys have been training since infants..., anything they want to do within their own art is legitimate.


sour grapes makes no sense in this context, it isn't as if i have been overlooked for a coral belt.

Helio's side can of course do whatever they want with their own art, but there is seemingly a lack of consistency in terms of timelines and criteria between the brothers as to how and when they promote to 7th, 8th and 9th dan.

i bring the ibjjf in not to win points, since this isnt a game, merely to point out that the ibjjf (and indeed a number of the state federations in Brazil), promote purely based off time at level, and with larger numbers of years per grade, so that you dont have guys in there early 50's at 9th dan. if the significance of the coral and red belts is longevity in the art rather than contribution, then it should be a really significant number of years.

and "these guys" as you put it, have significantly different ages, rorion, relson and rickson are quite a bit older than royler, rolker and royce. 
and let's be frank here, promoting family members and friends on your own whim with no consistent criteria or timeframes would be derided as mcdojosih by most forums if it were to occur in any other art, why do they get a pass?
1/15/12 1:32 AM
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^^^ JSho has ipponed the correct.

say what you want about the ibjjf, but i really don't see any other organisations or people doing much to set rules to abide by. there has to be some clarity with these things.
1/15/12 2:19 AM
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JSho - 
SlapUsilly - ^ sour grapes.
Just be happy for him. He's accomplished a hell of a lot more than any of us have.

Bringing the ibjjf into any argument is not going to win you points.

These guys have been training since infants..., anything they want to do within their own art is legitimate.


sour grapes makes no sense in this context, it isn't as if i have been overlooked for a coral belt.

Helio's side can of course do whatever they want with their own art, but there is seemingly a lack of consistency in terms of timelines and criteria between the brothers as to how and when they promote to 7th, 8th and 9th dan.

i bring the ibjjf in not to win points, since this isnt a game, merely to point out that the ibjjf (and indeed a number of the state federations in Brazil), promote purely based off time at level, and with larger numbers of years per grade, so that you dont have guys in there early 50's at 9th dan. if the significance of the coral and red belts is longevity in the art rather than contribution, then it should be a really significant number of years.

and "these guys" as you put it, have significantly different ages, rorion, relson and rickson are quite a bit older than royler, rolker and royce. 
and let's be frank here, promoting family members and friends on your own whim with no consistent criteria or timeframes would be derided as mcdojosih by most forums if it were to occur in any other art, why do they get a pass?

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