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1/15/12 2:35 PM
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Chris27 - LOL at some of you people, if we DQ every fighter who lands a single shot to the back of the head think about how that would be.

The sport would be shit, you wouldnt watch finishes cause you know some bullshit would happen, fighters wouldnt even try to finish they would rather get the decision so they win, why drop someone land one shot to the back of the head and get DQ'd.

Silva won that fight, it was clean, Mario fucked up.



Once again, youre simply proving that the issue is the RULE. You cant fault the ref for enforcing it.

You may not agree with a stupid law, but its not the fault of the cop for enforing it.
1/15/12 2:36 PM
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wow the last couple of shots appeared to be full force punches, not hammer fists, to the back of the head. They stuck out like a sore thumb. Cant blame the ref. for giving the DQ. its a murky rule for sure though
1/15/12 2:38 PM
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Cops look the other way all the time. Much like the refs who don't DQ fighters who have fight-ending flurries that have a couple shots hit the back of the head.

That's a pretty terrible example.
1/15/12 2:41 PM
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^^^i agree in general. but again look at the second to last punch thrown in the second gif. That is a straight up measured shot to the back of the head. it doest look like he meant to do that but that his opponents head shifted but he kept throwing the same punch.

that with all the other little hammer fists to the back of the head before that
1/15/12 2:44 PM
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Chris27 - LOL at some of you people, if we DQ every fighter who lands a single shot to the back of the head think about how that would be.

The sport would be shit, you wouldnt watch finishes cause you know some bullshit would happen, fighters wouldnt even try to finish they would rather get the decision so they win, why drop someone land one shot to the back of the head and get DQ'd.

Silva won that fight, it was clean, Mario fucked up.
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1/15/12 4:47 PM
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how are some people defending mario.... even IF it was shots to the back of the head... why did he end the fight? instead of stopping to take a point away, or give a warning, or even asking if the guy can continue, he instantly waves the fight off which is the absolute worst part about this, you dont waive a fight off for a foul, you call a god damn timeout.
1/15/12 6:09 PM
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Rumblefish - 
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Rumblefish - There WERE some strikes to the back of the head. Do people really not see that?????

 It was the same as EVERY other ground flurry we ever see in the sport. Clearly not targeting the back of the head, just pounding on a turtling, ducking, turning, falling opponent.

If they're going to make it so you have no legal targets on a downed, turtling opponent, they should just say fuck it and call it a checkmate when an opponent does that and declare the other guy the winner automatically.



What youre saying is absolutely right, and I AGREE with you.

HOWEVER--that doesnt mean th ref was WRONG for enforcing the rule. ***The problem is with the RULE itself.
**AND-- KNOWING this rule ahead of time, the burden falls on the fighter to find a different way to strike or attack once IN that situation.

Again, its a dumb rule, bit the ref doesnt make the rule

But he didn't enforce the rule. He didn't stop the fight to issue a warning or take a point away due to a foul.

Prater got dropped and pounded out. The ref saw him taking a beating and stopped the fight. Any blows landing in the illegal area were clearly not intentional. On top of that, it's not like one illegal blow had the fight-changing effect of dropping Prater, for example, so even a No Contest due to UNintentional foul would seem to be the wrong call.
  
1/15/12 10:04 PM
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stonepony - There were several shots to the back of the head. Mario didn't make the rules, he's just enforcing them. Silva needs to be more careful next time.

 after reading that definition, there were actually more illegal blows than i thought at first
1/15/12 11:47 PM
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stonepony - There were several shots to the back of the head. Mario didn't make the rules, he's just enforcing them. Silva needs to be more careful next time.

 after reading that definition, there were actually more illegal blows than i thought at first


In retrospect Mario needed to assess the situation more. Treat it like a nut shot.
1/15/12 11:53 PM
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 Those shots were to the back of the head. I am baffled by the outrage.
1/16/12 12:07 AM
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Alumynabjj -  Those shots were to the back of the head. I am baffled by the outrage.


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1/16/12 1:54 PM
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Another thread had this gif posted (sorry, i can't seem to embed):
http://www.game-play-free.com/stoppage/silvaprater.gif

In general it seems that striking downwards from this position when your opponent is face down or going for single leg, you are going to inevitable hit the back of the head. It is not accidental. It is so obvious a inevitability that any one who does it should be considered to be striking intentionally and that's a violation of the rules and a DQ. You've got to swing sideways (not hammer fist) or just take the back or back off and see if the guy can stand, or whatever.

This is supposed to be a "sport" and one with "honor". Fighters need to step up and learn to the fight intelligently, not with potentially deadly/paralyzing force. (same goes for "paul harris" overcranking leg locks: just trap it and give the guy time to tap, if he doesn't, crank some more...little by little - don't go for the instant injury.)

The UFC is sending a bad signal by telling Silva to appeal. They need to be on the side of fighter safety instead and signal to their fighters that they'd better not do anything that is even a "judgement call" in terms of fighter safety. They'd better be way on the side of safety.
1/16/12 2:09 PM
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Rumblefish - There WERE some strikes to the back of the head. Do people really not see that?????

 It was the same as EVERY other ground flurry we ever see in the sport. Clearly not targeting the back of the head, just pounding on a turtling, ducking, turning, falling opponent.

If they're going to make it so you have no legal targets on a downed, turtling opponent, they should just say fuck it and call it a checkmate when an opponent does that and declare the other guy the winner automatically.
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