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1/18/12 10:58 PM
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Moist Gracie
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I know he's only had a few fights, bust he's displayed the best wrestling we've ever seen. Great throws, awesome low-level takedowns, converting from singles to doubles, etc. His wrestling is top notch.

And I know what most of you will say, "GSP has the best wrestling." No. He has the best blast double in MMA and has been the most successful with this takedown. But he's not the best wrestler. 
1/18/12 10:58 PM
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1/18/12 11:06 PM
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 lol no not really

Credentials dont mean shit. Didnt he struggle taking someone outside of SF down?

I dont think anyone has better wrestling then GSP
1/18/12 11:10 PM
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Acidic -  lol no not really

Credentials dont mean shit. Didnt he struggle taking someone outside of SF down?

I dont think anyone has better wrestling then GSP

 Watch the highlight and tell me he doesn't have the best wrestling. He may not have proven it against top wrestlers yet, but he's shown damn good wrestling all around, credentials aside.

The only other argument that can be made is Jon Jones. However I think Jones uses a lot more judo and stuff like that, albeit these moves do exist in wrestling. Jones also has an awesome low level shot, super athletic. I just think Cormier is the best overll and has shown the widest array of skills. 
1/18/12 11:17 PM
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It's really arguable who has the best wrestler but for me. Chael sonnen has the best double while I would say Jon jones has better slam Phone Post
1/18/12 11:55 PM
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UGCTT_Harlem -  Jon Jones might disagree with that statement.... He's man-handled well decorated wrestlers.
No he hasn't. After surviving my butt hurtness Jose Aldo is much more inpressive. Defensive wrestling wise. And gsps has better mma wrestling. Out of the last three lhw champions only one is a wrestler. Jones. Of those he has fought in the ufc only two were wrestlers. Obrien and hammil? Right not in the ufc Phone Post
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Moist Gracie -
Acidic -  lol no not really

Credentials dont mean shit. Didnt he struggle taking someone outside of SF down?

I dont think anyone has better wrestling then GSP

 Watch the highlight and tell me he doesn't have the best wrestling. He may not have proven it against top wrestlers yet, but he's shown damn good wrestling all around, credentials aside.

The only other argument that can be made is Jon Jones. However I think Jones uses a lot more judo and stuff like that, albeit these moves do exist in wrestling. Jones also has an awesome low level shot, super athletic. I just think Cormier is the best overll and has shown the widest array of skills. 
Jones low leg shots aren't great. Took him forever to take rampage down... He attempted many times.

In a pure wrestling match jones loses to Cormier sonnen Munoz phil Davis and rashad. And likely in mma as well. all have much better takedowns against highlebel wrestlers. And Cormier is just a boss. No one kos bigfootlike that Phone Post
1/19/12 12:11 AM
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UGCTT_Harlem -  We are not talking about wrestling matches..... WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IN MMA.

Nobody will manhandle Bader, shogun and Hamill like jones did. It's not even close.
If you read I said likely in mma as well. Because Chael is a lhw and neither is Cormier so it was much more speculative. And yes I think Tito man handled Nader and I think the first three rounds of hendo shogun was more devastating than shogun jones bro Phone Post
1/19/12 12:11 AM
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Chael is NOT* Phone Post
1/19/12 12:25 AM
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NarlyPersianDude -
UGCTT_Harlem -  We are not talking about wrestling matches..... WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IN MMA.

Nobody will manhandle Bader, shogun and Hamill like jones did. It's not even close.





Excellent breakdown, and to me it's tough to say who is the best, I think Jones GSP Chael Cormier Weidman King Mo Hendricks Phil Davis are the best mma wrestlers, what order, not sure, but I think those guys are bigtime ahead of the others.



Interesting debate as well
Correct me if I'm wrong but imo Jon Jones hasn't shown great "wrestling" we've seen great sweeps and overpowering takedowns. But as far as wrestling technique he has'nt displayed anything great besides being bigger and stronger and man handling his opponents. Gsp, chael, rashad,Davis,, & cormier has superior wrestling I think Phone Post
1/19/12 12:25 AM
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Best Wrestler in MMA? Well DC is a two time Olympian and World Medalist. Joe Warren is a World Champion. Dan Henderson 2x Olympian.
GSP has great wrestling in MMA but far from the best wrestler! Phone Post
1/19/12 12:29 AM
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Cormier is definitely my favorite HW. His hands are sick.
1/19/12 12:33 AM
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Let's see if Cormier can even beat Barnett before you go anointing him best MMA wrestler. Phone Post
1/19/12 12:41 AM
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I would say top 10 but with some big wins he could be top 3 or 4 Phone Post
1/19/12 12:45 AM
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 " No he hasn't. After surviving my butt hurtness Jose Aldo is much more inpressive. Defensive wrestling wise."

You're convinced that Aldo is more impressive with his wrestling defense even though Jones has never been taken down once?
1/19/12 1:11 AM
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Correct me if I'm wrong but imo Jon Jones hasn't shown great "wrestling"

- you stand corrected, Sir
1/19/12 1:38 AM
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 I love it when people argue "best wrestling in MMA" but ask that only wrestling credentials be assessed.
1/19/12 1:40 AM
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Koga - Correct me if I'm wrong but imo Jon Jones hasn't shown great "wrestling"

- you stand corrected, Sir
No I wasn't corrected, please enlighten me? Phone Post
1/19/12 2:02 AM
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 he hasnt fought anybody yet.
1/19/12 2:27 AM
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Wrestling in MMA is much different than amateur wrestling, obviously. It's hard to argue against GSP and Jones being the best MMA wrestlers the sport has ever seen, and their amateur careers are unremarkable (Jones) or nonexistent (GSP). Both probably had the talent to be NCAA champions but their paths didn't lead down that road.
1/19/12 2:32 AM
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 Love watching Cormier fight.

No one mentioning Jones dominating Vladdy, huh?

And I love someone saying that GSP has the most effective takedowns in the sport but also that he isn't the best wrestler in MMA. If not with efficacy, how does one determing "best"?
1/19/12 3:29 AM
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 lol, nice
1/19/12 3:57 AM
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He's not the best 'MMA wrestler' or the MMA fighter with the best wrestling credentials.

He IS obviously an elite wrestler and athlete and seems to 'get' striking (many wrestlers coming late into the game never do) but he's till far from the finished article IMO.

Cormier should be a force at HW but I don't think he beats Barnett at this point.
1/19/12 4:36 AM
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Nobody mentioning Ben askren? He's boring as shit to watch but wrestling he smashes the field, it's a toss up between askren, jones, Cormier, phil davis and Hendricks Phone Post
1/19/12 4:50 AM
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If we're talking about effective wrestling in MMA, it's either GSP or Jones. Askren is great and all, but he hasn't faced the competition that GSP and Jones have.

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