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1/19/12 10:02 AM
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At UFC 142 the referee had to stop the bout just twenty-nine seconds into the first round as Erick Silva dropped Carlos Prater with a knee and then began a relentess assault.

Silva was over joyed, thinking he had a quick TKO victory. After some discussion, referee Mario Yamasaki ruled and Bruce Buffer announced that Carlos Prater had won via disqualification, deeming the finishing strikes illegal as they targeted the back of the head.

Silva was shocked, and left Brazil with the DQ loss. But as the video was reviewed, it looked as through perhaps the referree had made the wrong decision and even UFC President Dana White suggested that Silva should appeal the decision.

As the event took place in Brazil, the authority to review and appeal falls solely to that of the UFC itself, and more in particular, Marc Ratner, VP of Regulatory Affairs. It seems that Silva's management has started the process, speaking to MMAJunkie on the subject:

Manager Wallid Ismail would like his client Erick Silva's loss changed to a win, or at the very least, a no-contest.

As early as next week, he could get an answer. Ismail today told MMAjunkie.com that UFC Vice President of Regulatory Affairs Marc Ratner has assured him a review of the Silva vs. Carlo Prater, which took place this past Saturday at UFC 142.

"Erick didn't lose the fight," Ismail said. "No way he lost the fight.

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The ending of the bout in question from two different angles:




1/19/12 10:10 AM
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I dont think Silva should get the W, but no contest seems reasonable. At worst it was an accidental punch in the back of the head.
1/19/12 10:15 AM
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Ddn't the UG brain trust already decide this issue?
1/19/12 10:15 AM
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Ddn't the UG brain trust already decide this issue?
1/19/12 10:26 AM
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What power does the UFC have to change a decision made by an athletic commission? I thought we'd already been over this with the Duane Ludwig issue. Phone Post
1/19/12 10:27 AM
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Referee desicion should be final. Back of the head is against the rules, whether it was 1 or 100. Much respect to Yamasaki.
1/19/12 10:28 AM
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superbradman - What power does the UFC have to change a decision made by an athletic commission? I thought we'd already been over this with the Duane Ludwig issue. <img src="/images/phone/apple.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>



Brazil doesn't regulate mma so I guess UFC can do what they want?
1/19/12 10:29 AM
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superbradman -  What power does the UFC have to change a decision made by an athletic commission? I thought we'd already been over this with the Duane Ludwig issue. Phone Post
Which Commission?
 
1/19/12 10:30 AM
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Eees Dana White ascare of change ze huling?!

Ay no ascare off heem, you unastan?! Phone Post
1/19/12 10:48 AM
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Terry Etim for dinner - Referee desicion should be final. Back of the head is against the rules, whether it was 1 or 100. Much respect to Yamasaki.

 
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They could change it to a win based on Yamasaki waving Silva off rather than stopping for an illegal strike and deciding on a DQ. Outside of that a NC would be the only reasonable outcome Phone Post
1/19/12 11:15 AM
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 Last man standing wins.
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1/19/12 11:19 AM
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superbradman - What power does the UFC have to change a decision made by an athletic commission? I thought we'd already been over this with the Duane Ludwig issue.



Underground News - As the event took place in Brazil, the authority to review and appeal falls solely to that of the UFC itself, and more in particular, Marc Ratner, VP of Regulatory Affairs.

1/19/12 11:22 AM
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1/19/12 11:23 AM
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superbradman - What power does the UFC have to change a decision made by an athletic commission? I thought we'd already been over this with the Duane Ludwig issue.



Underground News - As the event took place in Brazil, the authority to review and appeal falls solely to that of the UFC itself, and more in particular, Marc Ratner, VP of Regulatory Affairs.

Ahhh convenient Phone Post
1/19/12 11:37 AM
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His manger is Wallid Ismael?!!
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1/19/12 12:00 PM
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Terry Etim for dinner - Referee desicion should be final. Back of the head is against the rules, whether it was 1 or 100. Much respect to Yamasaki.

 

 Referee decision should not be final if it was in error. See: Johnson vs Burns I. Mazagatti was not aware that Johnson went down from an eye poke and gave Burns the TKO win.

Also, many things are fouls, incuding back of the head strikes, but rarely if ever result in instant DQ before a point deduction, for example.

Finally, if a fight is ended by injury caused by unintentional foul in the first round, it is an NC, not a DQ.
1/19/12 12:10 PM
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Marc Ratner will make the right decision.
1/19/12 12:38 PM
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Cyril Jeff - 
Terry Etim for dinner - Referee desicion should be final. Back of the head is against the rules, whether it was 1 or 100. Much respect to Yamasaki.

 

 Referee decision should not be final if it was in error. See: Johnson vs Burns I. Mazagatti was not aware that Johnson went down from an eye poke and gave Burns the TKO win.

Also, many things are fouls, incuding back of the head strikes, but rarely if ever result in instant DQ before a point deduction, for example.

Finally, if a fight is ended by injury caused by unintentional foul in the first round, it is an NC, not a DQ.

 I'd like to hear Supreme Commissioner Keith Kizer's take on this...
1/19/12 12:52 PM
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No way it shoulda been a DQ, at most a NC.  But Silva should get the win.
1/19/12 1:57 PM
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I saw one punch in the replay, that hit the back of the head clean. The rest were to the side. One to the back of the head is a warning in most cases (kinda like one fence grab, etc). I can't say he didn't do it - he did. But the call by the ref was awefully odd, given his view, etc.

At the very least they NC it and do a rematch for the kid. At the most, give him the W (they already paid him for it) and move him up on the main card next time.

1/19/12 2:19 PM
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Rule needs to be revised, nothing states 1 shot to the back of the head and you get DQ'd....nothing states you don't but clearly that is not why he kicked ass, Prater was toast before that 1 shot.
1/19/12 10:15 PM
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 I'd actually like to see it changed to a Win for Silva. There was one stray shot to the back of the head and it was not the fight ending punch. He wasn't warned and continued to hit the back of the head and I think it was simply a referees mistake. Also who the fck wants to argue with Wallid Ishmael!??

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