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1/19/12 8:01 PM
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Ok heres the story.

I usually play 1-2NL in Atlantic City, but recently moved to Florida and now play at the seminole hard rock casino.

BIG difference. The most $ you can sit with in AC at 1-2 is $300, but at the hard rock its only $100.

I find the competition at these $100 tables at the hard rock to be much weaker. They say they make the limit $100 to get more beginner players, and it seems to work.

They have a good promotion where you play 20 hrs btween sun-thurs and they give you $150 gift card, so theyre basically paying you $7.50/hr to play there. they also pay $500 cash for a royal flush, which a guy hit at my table. I also hit a royal flush a couple weeks ago in AC and only got $100 in comps.

OK back to the big stack......I sat down this morning at Hard rock and one guy had almost $3000 in chips with $100 buy in!!! WTF thats by far the most Ive ever seen at a 1-2 table, even in AC the most ive seen was close to $2000

To make it worse he was a big talker, bragging how hes a professional, lived in Las Vegas, constantly talking thru every hand, how hes got an investor that pays his tournament entries, etc etc.........and hes straddling every hand for $4, then raising to $20 with nothing the first four or five hands I fold.......so i finally get a good hand AK suited, he straddles gets five callers, and I raise to $24......everyone folds except him, he looks at his cards and says to me "sorry sir I have to call"......flop comes K55......he checks, I bet $25, he goes all in, I have $50 left and $49 in the pot already, I dont believe he calls my $24 preflop with a 5, I call, he turns over 56 offsuit, and theres goes my $100 buy in.......he says to me "sir I suggest you dont play against me, youre a much better player than me but Im just lucky", I just smiled

he goes on and on how the secret is to see every flop, then fold when you dont hit.....how hes seen every flop for 17 hrs etc etc etc

Anyway what is the largest stack youve ever seen at a 1-2 NL table?
2/1/12 3:31 AM
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You should have raised more as there was already $27 in the pot.  He probably expected others to call (and they probably should have after he called).  If I had $100 or less I would ship it there and hope to take down all the money in the pot.  If someone calls, normally it's a flip or AK is dominating the caller's hand.

BTW, never saw anyone as good as your buddy at 1/2 ;-)
2/3/12 4:32 PM
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GrapplerHK - Ok heres the story.

I usually play 1-2NL in Atlantic City, but recently moved to Florida and now play at the seminole hard rock casino.

BIG difference. The most $ you can sit with in AC at 1-2 is $300, but at the hard rock its only $100.

I find the competition at these $100 tables at the hard rock to be much weaker. They say they make the limit $100 to get more beginner players, and it seems to work.

They have a good promotion where you play 20 hrs btween sun-thurs and they give you $150 gift card, so theyre basically paying you $7.50/hr to play there. they also pay $500 cash for a royal flush, which a guy hit at my table. I also hit a royal flush a couple weeks ago in AC and only got $100 in comps.

OK back to the big stack......I sat down this morning at Hard rock and one guy had almost $3000 in chips with $100 buy in!!! WTF thats by far the most Ive ever seen at a 1-2 table, even in AC the most ive seen was close to $2000

To make it worse he was a big talker, bragging how hes a professional, lived in Las Vegas, constantly talking thru every hand, how hes got an investor that pays his tournament entries, etc etc.........and hes straddling every hand for $4, then raising to $20 with nothing the first four or five hands I fold.......so i finally get a good hand AK suited, he straddles gets five callers, and I raise to $24......everyone folds except him, he looks at his cards and says to me "sorry sir I have to call"......flop comes K55......he checks, I bet $25, he goes all in, I have $50 left and $49 in the pot already, I dont believe he calls my $24 preflop with a 5, I call, he turns over 56 offsuit, and theres goes my $100 buy in.......he says to me "sir I suggest you dont play against me, youre a much better player than me but Im just lucky", I just smiled

he goes on and on how the secret is to see every flop, then fold when you dont hit.....how hes seen every flop for 17 hrs etc etc etc

Anyway what is the largest stack youve ever seen at a 1-2 NL table?


Get away from those stakes as soon as possible. You simply cant beat the rake, no matter how bad the play is.
2/14/12 2:29 AM
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 The rake is worse at 1/2, but the game is still very beatable.  I would expect good players to make $15+ per hour at 1/2 (perhaps more if you are really good).  The players are so horrible that it more than makes up for the difference in rake.  Obv, noone is gonna get rich playing 1/2.  I've avg'ed $22/hr at 1/2 but my sample size is very small (around 100 hours).
2/14/12 3:35 PM
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VectorWega -  The rake is worse at 1/2, but the game is still very beatable.  I would expect good players to make $15+ per hour at 1/2 (perhaps more if you are really good).  The players are so horrible that it more than makes up for the difference in rake.  Obv, noone is gonna get rich playing 1/2.  I've avg'ed $22/hr at 1/2 but my sample size is very small (around 100 hours).
So are things going well since you've decided to play for a living? What stakes are you currently playing? Phone Post
2/14/12 4:41 PM
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VectorWega -  The rake is worse at 1/2, but the game is still very beatable.  I would expect good players to make $15+ per hour at 1/2 (perhaps more if you are really good).  The players are so horrible that it more than makes up for the difference in rake.  Obv, noone is gonna get rich playing 1/2.  I've avg'ed $22/hr at 1/2 but my sample size is very small (around 100 hours).
So are things going well since you've decided to play for a living? What stakes are you currently playing? Phone Post

 I had a really bad weekend a week ago where I caught bad breaks but mainly just played way too loose.  This actually gave me additional motivation as I hadn't been playing enough and now I am putting in a lot of hours and am playing very well.  I'm playing 2/5. 

If I can show more consistency I will take some shots at 5/10.  At my casino there are only a maximum of two 5/10 tables running.  However, sometimes they are weaker than the 2/5.  I have a buddy that won a 5k pot this weekend at 5/10 when he flopped a full house.  There was a flush draw on board and he overbet every street.  On the river there were 4 diamonds on board and his opponent called his large overbet.  I asked my buddy if the guy had the Ace of diamonds.  He said "no, he had the 3 of diamonds but just didn't believe me."  LoL
2/14/12 5:42 PM
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VectorWega -
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VectorWega -  The rake is worse at 1/2, but the game is still very beatable.  I would expect good players to make $15+ per hour at 1/2 (perhaps more if you are really good).  The players are so horrible that it more than makes up for the difference in rake.  Obv, noone is gonna get rich playing 1/2.  I've avg'ed $22/hr at 1/2 but my sample size is very small (around 100 hours).
So are things going well since you've decided to play for a living? What stakes are you currently playing? Phone Post

 I had a really bad weekend a week ago where I caught bad breaks but mainly just played way too loose.  This actually gave me additional motivation as I hadn't been playing enough and now I am putting in a lot of hours and am playing very well.  I'm playing 2/5. 

If I can show more consistency I will take some shots at 5/10.  At my casino there are only a maximum of two 5/10 tables running.  However, sometimes they are weaker than the 2/5.  I have a buddy that won a 5k pot this weekend at 5/10 when he flopped a full house.  There was a flush draw on board and he overbet every street.  On the river there were 4 diamonds on board and his opponent called his large overbet.  I asked my buddy if the guy had the Ace of diamonds.  He said "no, he had the 3 of diamonds but just didn't believe me."  LoL
Sounds like my kinda game!

Are you enjoying the lifestyle/happy with your decision? Phone Post
2/14/12 7:36 PM
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2/15/12 3:01 AM
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 Yes, I am completely happy with my decision.  The up and down swings are no big deal to me and I like the freedom.  I just need to stay focused and play well everytime.
2/15/12 3:09 AM
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VectorWega -  Yes, I am completely happy with my decision.  The up and down swings are no big deal to me and I like the freedom.  I just need to stay focused and play well everytime.
Awesome. Congratulations, man! Phone Post
2/15/12 4:03 AM
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The only thing I don't like is that the best day to play is saturday but that is when all the UFC PPVs are. Also, my hours are f'ed up.  I am a night owl as it is, but I've been staying up way too late...going to sleep at 6am-9am has become quite normal for me.
2/20/12 6:08 PM
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i am just an average conservative/tight player and make money at these tables 9 out of 10 times because there's just an unbelievable amount of bad players

VW and andreh, what's the biggest stack you've personally had at a 1-2 NL table, and also what's the biggest stack youve played against? (1-2 NL)
2/21/12 1:08 AM
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I'm not sure that Andre has played much 1/2 at all.  I haven't played a ton of 1/2.  In December I played a 1 hr session of 1/2 and my $200 buy-in turned into $800.  I don't believe I've ever had a larger stack than that at 1/2. 

The biggest stack I can recall playing against at 1/2 was ~ $1,600.  The player (who looked like a drug dealer from Dallas) had just been moved to our table and apparently had run like a God at his last table.  This guy really had no clue how to play.  Long story short he blew through his entire stack in less than 3 hours.  His final hand, he got it all in on the flop with QJ which was 2nd pair.  His opponent waited for the river to show top set KK with board of K J 5 2 10.  The dealer then took the hands and mucked them pushing the pot to the guy with top set.  This guy who blew through his stack then commensed to argue with the dealer and floor asking them how they know he didn't have a straight since his hand was mucked (even though everyone saw he didn't have a straight).  Moments earlier this "balla" (with fat gold rings) said "it's just money" but when all of the money was gone he argued with the floor for 20-30 minutes before finally leaving.

At 2/5, I have been pretty conservative and will take a break or change tables if my stack gets big.  I buy-in short ($300) and have had a bit over $2,000 on the table a few times (which people have quite often at 2/5).  I've seen a $4,500 stack at 2/5 and have heard stories of multiple players having $3k+ on the same table, but I haven't seen that personally....that sort of thing would tend to happen very late at night when tables have consolidated, particularly on the weekend.
2/22/12 7:11 PM
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The 1-2 in LA has a $40 max buy in so I've only played it once or twice very early in my poker life.

I believe I played a 1-2 that allowed up to a $300 buy in when I was in either Vegas or Scottsdale and waiting for a game. I don't really remember what the biggest stack had, but I think it was around $900.

I think the equivalent game here in LA is the $2/$3, though again, that only allows you to buy in up to $100. Horrible game. Easy, but the rake is $6/flop, so it's almost impossible to beat. Phone Post
2/24/12 10:04 PM
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wow in AC the 1-2 buy in is 60-300, the rake is only $2 or 10% of pot and $6 max

in tampa its 40-100

like i said, this guy had $2700 on a table with $100 max buyin, crazy!

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