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1/22/12 9:59 PM
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The Patriot - This is no business move, this is a political move. Some liberal dip sheet in the UFC is pushing an anti gun agenda on the fans.


ahahahahaha

yes it was a business move, it's called free market, deal with it you paranoid clown


Statists always sound like this. They seem to be really full of hatred for anyone who doesn't agree with them politically.

I'm sure you're a big supporter of the "free market." And higher taxes and more quotas and more gov regulation.
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The Patriot - This is no business move, this is a political move. Some liberal dip sheet in the UFC is pushing an anti gun agenda on the fans.


ahahahahaha

yes it was a business move, it's called free market, deal with it you paranoid clown


Statists always sound like this. They seem to be really full of hatred for anyone who doesn't agree with them politically.

I'm sure you're a big supporter of the "free market." And higher taxes and more quotas and more gov regulation.

this.


 
1/22/12 10:16 PM
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exactly.
So you assholes DO care then? Or were you just not bright enough to realize the saying is "COULDN'T care less"?


If someone COULDN'T care less, why would they comment at all?
1/22/12 10:40 PM
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bytagro - 
The Patriot - This is no business move, this is a political move. Some liberal dip sheet in the UFC is pushing an anti gun agenda on the fans.


ahahahahaha

yes it was a business move, it's called free market, deal with it you paranoid clown


Statists always sound like this. They seem to be really full of hatred for anyone who doesn't agree with them politically.

I'm sure you're a big supporter of the "free market." And higher taxes and more quotas and more gov regulation.


yeah because there is never any hatred expressed towards liberals around here that doesn't happen at all

you are either completely delusional or a liar

and I suppose I wasn't in fact responding to someone's paranoid ramblings now that we have been presented with all these facts illustrating anti-gun conspiracy in the ufc

and just lol at using the word statist in this context, a true mark of pseudo-intellectual. you do realize that the opposite of statism is anarchy, right?


Saying that what you do is ok because another person does it is a logical fallacy. It's also a very popular excuse with kids.

The ad hominems I'll ignore. You know how Luke or maybe Obi felt a disturbance in the force, like thousands of souls suddenly being extinguished? That's how I feel about internet insult contests. I can literally hear the thousands of souls screaming insults at each other right now on the internet. They screech at me like the forced laughs of a thousand art house patrons. It's worse than when I'm eating at Golden Corral and I realize that I can hear the chewing/slurping all around me. I will say that statist really isn't that complicated or obscure of a word.

Liberal/Conservative(more accurately leftist/rightist) is a false paradigm fed to you by the World's elites. They're busy playing good cop/bad cop for your amusement. The only division that truly matters is the one between the statist and the individualist. I know that you believe you represent good and the "other side" represents absolute evil, but the World actually exists in many shades of grey.

And if you want to call yourself a liberal I'd be glad to prove that you are not. The only thing liberal about people like you is that you believe in a liberal application of laws and regulations. The more the better. There is nothing "liberal" about someone who wants to use the power of the state to create their dream of utopia.

Also, cheese is the opposite of milk, and sour cream is somewhere in between. Just thought I'd respond in kind. If given the choice of anarchy or living in a totalitarian state I would always choose the anarchist state. Most people who call themselves anarchists are anything but...they're crypto commies.
1/22/12 10:47 PM
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"I see capitalists rationally arguing using economics and cause-and-effect logic, but I rarely come across liberals who will rebut with the same methods! Instead, they snarl and "take pity" upon the "poor, ignorant, brainwashed neocon", who "are sadly as dull as a brick."

Isn't that in and of itself an unintelligent response to a well-formed argument? I hate to sound like I'm generalizing, but when I witness and participate in debates, I can't ever get straight, reasonable answers from the self-proclaimed liberals.

I'm ready to listen, and I WANT to listen to their side of the story and learn how they arrived at their own conclusions, but they're not helping me understand their point of view by generalizing and insulting those who disagree with their beliefs.

Honestly, if liberals really want to get their way, they NEED to back up their arguments with REASONING, rather than alienating their opponent (and likely any bystanders), which will turn them off even more."
1/22/12 11:00 PM
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The Cooler - Saying that what you do is ok because another person does it is a logical fallacy. It's also a very popular excuse with kids.

The ad hominems I'll ignore. You know how Luke or maybe Obi felt a disturbance in the force, like thousands of souls suddenly being extinguished? That's how I feel about internet insult contests. I can literally hear the thousands of souls screaming insults at each other right now on the internet. They screech at me like the forced laughs of a thousand art house patrons. It's worse than when I'm eating at Golden Corral and I realize that I can hear the chewing/slurping all around me. I will say that statist really isn't that complicated or obscure of a word.

Liberal/Conservative(more accurately leftist/rightist) is a false paradigm fed to you by the World's elites. They're busy playing good cop/bad cop for your amusement. The only division that truly matters is the one between the statist and the individualist. I know that you believe you represent good and the "other side" represents absolute evil, but the World actually exists in many shades of grey.

And if you want to call yourself a liberal I'd be glad to prove that you are not. The only thing liberal about people like you is that you believe in a liberal application of laws and regulations. The more the better. There is nothing "liberal" about someone who wants to use the power of the state to create their dream of utopia.

Also, cheese is the opposite of milk, and sour cream is somewhere in between. Just thought I'd respond in kind. If given the choice of anarchy or living in a totalitarian state I would always choose the anarchist state. Most people who call themselves anarchists are anything but...they're crypto commies.


this guy is good.


 
1/22/12 11:44 PM
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lol at this nonsense

dude it's very simple - you said that 'statists' are making hateful comments, thus implying that one side is better than the other, otherwise you would have said that anybody who talks politics on this forum is full of hatred, which is what I corrected

no I don't think the other side is full of evil, I am not sure who you are talking to it sure as hell is not me so please leave me out of your straw man conversation, especially now that we are getting into the 'world elite' concealing the truth from masses territory, enjoy your tin foil hat

all I did was correct your erroneous assumption as well as rightfully ridicule paranoid people who proclaim that a private company is making business moves because of some liberal conspiracy without offering any evidence what so ever, that is all

btw words and definitions actually do have accepted meanings it's not just whatever you can make it up to be


I didn't say that statists are making hateful comments, I said statists always rely on negativity, emotion, and personal insults while using your post as an example. The observation is independent of this site and I didn't confine myself to just the UG. You can read as much into it as you wish, but my words were clear.

You obviously identify yourself as a statist, otherwise you wouldn't have said the following.

"you said that 'statists' are making hateful comments, thus implying that one side is better than the other"

One side is better than the other. It is self evident. The side that believes freedom is better than slavery. As an example if you change the word statist to Nazi then it would be clear that you're a Nazi sympathizer. Leaving it as statist it is clear that you're a statist sympathizer.

If you don't believe there are "World Elites" then you haven't read much history. Nearly all of history is comprised of the powerful scheming to become more powerful, across all cultures and continents. Power vacuums have a very short life and there are no lack of ambitious/unscrupulous people.

"all I did was correct your erroneous assumption as well as rightfully ridicule paranoid people who proclaim that a private company is making business moves because of some liberal conspiracy without offering any evidence what so ever, that is all"

"All you did" was insult a professional fighter in a highly negative and emotional way because he disagrees with you politically. "All I did" was point it out.

"btw words and definitions actually do have accepted meanings it's not just whatever you can make it up to be"

You're right.

lib·er·al
? ?[lib-er-uhl, lib-ruhl]
adjective

favoring or permitting freedom of action, especially with respect to matters of personal belief or expression: a liberal policy toward dissident artists and writers.

The classical definition. The types of liberals America's founding fathers were. Few of the left's actions over the last 100 years have been in favor of "freedom of action." And you don't tolerate dissidents well at all.
1/23/12 12:01 AM
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lol at this nonsense

dude it's very simple - you said that 'statists' are making hateful comments, thus implying that one side is better than the other, otherwise you would have said that anybody who talks politics on this forum is full of hatred, which is what I corrected

no I don't think the other side is full of evil, I am not sure who you are talking to it sure as hell is not me so please leave me out of your straw man conversation, especially now that we are getting into the 'world elite' concealing the truth from masses territory, enjoy your tin foil hat

all I did was correct your erroneous assumption as well as rightfully ridicule paranoid people who proclaim that a private company is making business moves because of some liberal conspiracy without offering any evidence what so ever, that is all

btw words and definitions actually do have accepted meanings it's not just whatever you can make it up to be


I didn't say that statists are making hateful comments, I said statists always rely on negativity, emotion, and personal insults while using your post as an example. The observation is independent of this site and I didn't confine myself to just the UG. You can read as much into it as you wish, but my words were clear.

You obviously identify yourself as a statist, otherwise you wouldn't have said the following.

"you said that 'statists' are making hateful comments, thus implying that one side is better than the other"

One side is better than the other. It is self evident. The side that believes freedom is better than slavery. As an example if you change the word statist to Nazi then it would be clear that you're a Nazi sympathizer. Leaving it as statist it is clear that you're a statist sympathizer.

If you don't believe there are "World Elites" then you haven't read much history. Nearly all of history is comprised of the powerful scheming to become more powerful, across all cultures and continents. Power vacuums have a very short life and there are no lack of ambitious/unscrupulous people.

"all I did was correct your erroneous assumption as well as rightfully ridicule paranoid people who proclaim that a private company is making business moves because of some liberal conspiracy without offering any evidence what so ever, that is all"

"All you did" was insult a professional fighter in a highly negative and emotional way because he disagrees with you politically. "All I did" was point it out.

"btw words and definitions actually do have accepted meanings it's not just whatever you can make it up to be"

You're right.

lib·er·al
? ?[lib-er-uhl, lib-ruhl]
adjective

favoring or permitting freedom of action, especially with respect to matters of personal belief or expression: a liberal policy toward dissident artists and writers.

The classical definition. The types of liberals America's founding fathers were. Few of the left's actions over the last 100 years have been in favor of "freedom of action." And you don't tolerate dissidents well at all.
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1/23/12 12:10 AM
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J_Swift - I feel like reading this in Jules Winnfield's voice fits perfectly. <img src="/images/phone/apple.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>


Sweet, after reading this my head grew a little and I considered getting myself a wallet with bad motherfucker on it, but then I realized eventually someone would see it and want to find out if my wallet was lying.

Now I want to watch Pulp Fiction.
1/23/12 12:24 AM
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redeye2000 - very good from FOX and UFC.

this kind of stuff should be banned along with drugs and gambling ads.

you want to go mainstream that this is the first part to do it.

also i never buy the poor fighter excuse that they need ammo sex or drugs ads on their pants to help with income.

when UFc tries to get mainstream more companies also will like to sponsor you. so in the end you would not even need those ammo,sex, and drugs adds.

think a bit further! and that is what UFC and fox do.

job well done!
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1/23/12 12:42 AM
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I owned the fuck out of my boss the other day when she said the company I work for's owners were "very liberal". I told her they may vote for supposed liberals but not letting men wear earrings is absolutely the opposite of liberal. She was not pleased.

I don't even wear earrings or have visible tattoos. I just like pointing out liberal bullshit and lies. It would be one thing if were saw customers/clients in person but were on the phone for fucks sake, who care. Fake liberals, that's who.
1/23/12 1:06 AM
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Only thing I find funny/interesting about this.

Fox;
"Obama and the DOJ are trying to take yer guns!"

*Bans gun sponsors*
1/23/12 1:14 AM
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 I dont understand why this is such a big deal. Who cares? So they dont want gun ads promoted live on their network. That's fine, there are 1000 other companies lining up to sponcer fighters.
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guns and ammo depots like the sex, drugs, gambling are shady businesses if you look worldwide.

guns an dammo are forbidden in my country and so many others. so why promote it?

not sayin ammo and guns depots are shady business in the usa. but for sure as hell would be in my country.

about drugs. drugs is illegal in the USA. however weed in some shops is legal in my country. while if you would buy weed in america it would be illegal.

you see were i am going?

UFC wants to be global. there for need you sponsors that are global, think global. cars, t-shirts. that is fine in every country.

so for the one who said i am dumb. i am not dumb i think global. while the people that are for ammo and guns just think america america america!!! we lose our freedom!!!

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 Can we get back to the funny photoshops of ironic sponsors on fighters?
1/23/12 6:16 PM
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The Cooler's self-righteous long-winded bullshit and smug pseudo-intellectual tone has me convinced that THE UG IS SO HARDCORE.
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J_Swift - I feel like reading this in Jules Winnfield's voice fits perfectly. <img src="/images/phone/apple.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>


Sweet, after reading this my head grew a little and I considered getting myself a wallet with bad motherfucker on it, but then I realized eventually someone would see it and want to find out if my wallet was lying.

Now I want to watch Pulp Fiction.

this guy is A-OK in my book...
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If you use your gun in defense, do it here in Florida. Our castle doctrine rocks bitches!
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Hendpwned - If you use your gun in defense, do it here in Florida. Our castle doctrine rocks bitches!
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1/23/12 8:36 PM
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whoa

Captain Underwear just got sat the F$%k down.

God bless America and the 2nd amendment.
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Nate 'Rock' Quarry - I find it interesting that the comparison is always made between basketball players and football players saying that they aren't allowed to pepper their jerseys with logos.
A pro football player plays where? The NFL.
A pro basketball player in the USA plays where? The NBA.
Where do pro fighters fight at? Any league that will have them as they strive to make it to the big show. Many pros fight for $500. Even once in one of the big shows, the money earned is not a living wage. Many have to work weekends bouncing and bartending.
Now what is the minimum wage for an NBA or NFL player?
The rookie minimum wage in the NBA last season was over $473,000.
Do they need the Gun Store logo on their shorts. Probably not. And let's look at their expenses. They have an agent. To my knowledge, that's about it unless they choose to have other trainers at their own cost.
An MMA fighter has an agent that he pays, a team he fights for that he trains at, that he pays, if he's good and has the money he has a muay thai coach, a Jits coach, a strength and conditioning coach, a diet coach and someone to help him cut weight.
And if he just made it to the big shows he MAY make 30k for the year. Minus 20% for management and training at least then a third for taxes and you're sitting at about 16k to live on for the entire year.
Sponsors have always been a huge source of income for fighters. I can't tell you how many times a sponsor showed up at just the right time and gave me food money. Literally.
When I fought Pete Sell the second time I was sponsored by Toyo tires. For two fights I had their logo on my shorts. For what? A set of tires. That would be about $800. $400 for two fights on primetime that have been shown over and over. Why did I do it? Because I was driving around on my spare and one other tire was filled with fix a flat. The belts were showing on the other tires.
You want to see the best a fighter can be? Buy his gear. Support the brands that sponsor him and send the companies emails letting them know you're buying their protein because they're sponsoring someone.
What's that you say? If you don't like it then quit? I do like it. In fact, I love it. That's why I lived in my buddies basement 2 nights a week to save on gas money. And I rode with other friends to practice to save on gas money. And I packed a lunch to practice. And I only wore clothes sponsors and other more successful fighters would give me. And I'd do it all over again.
If you got into fighting to be rich, you chose the wrong sport. Do it for the love and if you get rich that's a nice bonus.
But having those sponsors can sure make the ride easier.
My two cents.
Great post.  And you're right, you should not get into fighting to get rich.  However; if anyone should get rich it should include the guys taking the punches IMO.
 
1/30/12 2:16 AM
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bytagro - bwahahahaha that's hilarious

the funniest thing is these conservatards who are throwing a fit about this are the ones that champion the 'free' market, unless this free market doesn't produce the result they like, then these idiots are crying about some liberal conspiracy taking away their freedoms

fucking irony

fox is a private company they can ban whatever they want from their channel



Actually a good point.
1/30/12 11:38 AM
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Well I'll be damned.
I wasn't expecting my post to generate this much of a response.
Let me be clear that I wasn't necessarily speaking out against the gun ban. I was speaking more about sponsors in general. Obviously Fox and the UFC have a plan that they're going to implement to grow their brands. We as fighters have to grow and adapt to these plans as they're being implemented.
As a fighter or as an employee of a company, we all want a raise. An extra vacation day. But the company we all work for needs to earn profits so they can continue to employ us all.
This may sound like ass kissing now but... before TUF1 there were 5 PPVs a year. There was virtually no chance for someone like me to make it. In fact, right before TUF I was fading out of the NHB scene. I couldn't build a future on what I was making in the tiny pro shows.
Then I sign with the UFC and at first it's just enough with sponsors to really focus on training and take my shot. Then all of the sudden it's enough, if you're smart with your money, to change your life.
I've always been vocal with my opinions on business and such and last year I got the chance to really thank Dana in person. I thanked him for continuing to push to make our sport better and better. To give guys like me a chance to live our dreams.
And yeah, if you started fighting to get rich, go home. Join a band. Take a crap at professional bowling. The hours are better, it's less painful and you can drink while you compete.
But if you love to fight... if it fills some desire you have in you that nothing else will... then take your shot. If you happen to make some money while you're doing it then man, you're pretty damn lucky. Just like me.
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Hey Nate, huge fan of yours since the old days. I agree with you 100%.

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