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1/22/12 5:23 PM
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Anybody seen it? Watched it a few days ago, made my allergies really act up. Phone Post
1/24/12 8:41 AM
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Great movie. Must be something in the popcorn, cause my allergies were really bad that day too. Phone Post
1/30/12 1:36 AM
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2/13/12 4:22 PM
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its a great movie, i recommend everyone to watch.

anybody read "the resolution for men"?

2/15/12 5:31 PM
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 Enjoyed Courageous, as did my wife.  Definitely got kinda dusty in here which kept getting in my eye, but then again, I have a daughter.  ...Who never dusts, apparently!  lol
2/17/12 2:02 PM
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I'll admit that it pulled on some emotional heartstrings, but it's pretty cheesy. Each movie they make gets a little bit better, so we may get something that is quality by typical standards eventually.
2/17/12 3:05 PM
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CJJScout - I'll admit that it pulled on some emotional heartstrings, but it's pretty cheesy. Each movie they make gets a little bit better, so we may get something that is quality by typical standards eventually.

 True.  Quality-wise this was a huge leap from Fireproof.  But they are still at about the level of a good made for tv flick.  Soul Surfer was pretty good too, though, and had much more of the feel of a feature film.
2/17/12 4:21 PM
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 As long as the goal is didactic the art will be poor.
2/17/12 7:16 PM
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 The Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe.  Didactic and excellent.
2/19/12 8:38 PM
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ato316 - its a great movie, i recommend everyone to watch.

anybody read "the resolution for men"?

Haven't read it. Have you? Got any feedback? Phone Post
2/20/12 7:09 AM
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Ridgeback -  As long as the goal is didactic the art will be poor.

I'll need to think about examples to contradict this, but off the top of my head sounds right. I don't want this to be true, but...
2/20/12 12:37 PM
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Ridgeback -  As long as the goal is didactic the art will be poor.

I'll need to think about examples to contradict this, but off the top of my head sounds right. I don't want this to be true, but...

 I don't mean to imply that didactic art can't be good, but rather than when the lesson is the priority and the art comes second then it is almost always of poor quality.  
2/20/12 1:00 PM
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Ridgeback -  As long as the goal is didactic the art will be poor.


This. These movies tend to be so heavy-handed and contrived (although they are getting better, "Courageous was way better than "Facing the Giants"). I prefer when the Christian themes are woven naturally in the story.
While most people wouldn't consider it a "Christian" movie (certainly not a family movie), I thought "Dead Man Walking" was a beautiful portrayal of the Gospel in action.
2/20/12 1:05 PM
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Ridgeback -  As long as the goal is didactic the art will be poor.


This. These movies tend to be so heavy-handed and contrived (although they are getting better, "Courageous was way better than "Facing the Giants"). I prefer when the Christian themes are woven naturally in the story.
While most people wouldn't consider it a "Christian" movie (certainly not a family movie), I thought "Dead Man Walking" was a beautiful portrayal of the Gospel in action.
2/20/12 1:44 PM
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No, I hear what you're saying Ridge and I'm trying hard to find an example to disagree with you but so far I haven't.
2/22/12 9:06 PM
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ato316 - its a great movie, i recommend everyone to watch.

anybody read "the resolution for men"?

Haven't read it. Have you? Got any feedback? <img src="/images/phone/apple.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>

i've got it and just started diving into it, it looks like a quick read, i'll post feedback after i've finished
2/23/12 7:06 PM
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CJJScout - No, I hear what you're saying Ridge and I'm trying hard to find an example to disagree with you but so far I haven't.

 How many times do I have to say Narnia???  Let's add Da Vinci's Last Supper and michelangelo's sistine chapel to the list.  All those things were deliberately made to teach or feature the Christian faith and all are excellent art.

I could agree with Ridge in so far as whenever the main purpose is didactic the art can SOMETIMES be poor if it takes a back seat.  But his initial comment was a blanket statement.  And even in the follow up he when he says "almost always" I still am not sure I'd agree.  Besides, there's a whole host of other reasons movies like Fireproof and Courageous may not have been up to standard feature film quality, like budget and availability of actors and directors.
2/24/12 2:22 PM
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It was a hard movie to watch. I turned it off about half way through. A combination of lack of a plot and low budget acting. I was cringing at the part in the middle the characters had to show emotion and you could see they were trying their hardest but it just wasn't happening.
2/24/12 3:06 PM
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CJJScout - No, I hear what you're saying Ridge and I'm trying hard to find an example to disagree with you but so far I haven't.

 How many times do I have to say Narnia???  Let's add Da Vinci's Last Supper and michelangelo's sistine chapel to the list.  All those things were deliberately made to teach or feature the Christian faith and all are excellent art.

I could agree with Ridge in so far as whenever the main purpose is didactic the art can SOMETIMES be poor if it takes a back seat.  But his initial comment was a blanket statement.  And even in the follow up he when he says "almost always" I still am not sure I'd agree.  Besides, there's a whole host of other reasons movies like Fireproof and Courageous may not have been up to standard feature film quality, like budget and availability of actors and directors.

 I am not sure Lewis wanted Narnia to be primarily didactic.  That isn't how he described the creative process anyway.  But the Narnia books were severely criticized by Tolkien for being too heavy handed.  I love Lewis of course, but I would have to give the nod to Tolkien for the quality of his art (with the possible exception of Lewis's Till We Have Faces).  The Lord of the Rings is so deep and so beautiful, and it is replete with Tolkien's Catholicism, but it is not didactic at all.

I would say there is a difference between art that is created to give God the glory and art that is created to teach lessons.  Obviously some of the greatest art ever created has been created with Christ as the prime inspiration.

For a combination of Christianity and art in film I can't think of a better director than Tarkovsky, if you can slow down to watch his movies.  A lot of religious "art" is just bad because it is too obvious and is done more to teach or even for the sake of propaganda.  There is an anxiety inherent in it to get people saved and I don't think that works.  
3/7/12 1:31 PM
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how about the movie that Mel Gibson did about crucifying Jesus? He might be an anti-semite homophobic intollerant jerk, but he is a great director.
3/20/12 1:50 PM
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ato316 - its a great movie, i recommend everyone to watch.

anybody read "the resolution for men"?

Haven't read it. Have you? Got any feedback? <img src="/images/phone/apple.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>

i've got it and just started diving into it, it looks like a quick read, i'll post feedback after i've finished

the book dedicates one chapter to each of the resolutions. it explains what is meant in the resolution while giving some examples. i dont believe this is a book to be read once then discarded. i think its a book you will read through once, then pick up every so often to remind yourself of the major points again and again. for me personally, it has shown me ways in which i can improve my relationships with god and my girlfriend, as we get closer to marriage. i think it's a good outline on being a man of god and a good/better husband and father.
3/20/12 1:58 PM
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ato316 - its a great movie, i recommend everyone to watch.

anybody read "the resolution for men"?

Haven't read it. Have you? Got any feedback? <img src="/images/phone/apple.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>

i've got it and just started diving into it, it looks like a quick read, i'll post feedback after i've finished

the book dedicates one chapter to each of the resolutions. it explains what is meant in the resolution while giving some examples. i dont believe this is a book to be read once then discarded. i think its a book you will read through once, then pick up every so often to remind yourself of the major points again and again. for me personally, it has shown me ways in which i can improve my relationships with god and my girlfriend, as we get closer to marriage. i think it's a good outline on being a man of god and a good/better husband and father.


Hi Ato

Haven't read this book, but if you are seriously considering marrying your current gf, you should pick up a copy of 'Love and Respect' and both of you should read it.
3/22/12 9:48 AM
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micmac - 
ato316 - its a great movie, i recommend everyone to watch.

anybody read "the resolution for men"?

Haven't read it. Have you? Got any feedback? <img src="/images/phone/apple.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>

i've got it and just started diving into it, it looks like a quick read, i'll post feedback after i've finished

the book dedicates one chapter to each of the resolutions. it explains what is meant in the resolution while giving some examples. i dont believe this is a book to be read once then discarded. i think its a book you will read through once, then pick up every so often to remind yourself of the major points again and again. for me personally, it has shown me ways in which i can improve my relationships with god and my girlfriend, as we get closer to marriage. i think it's a good outline on being a man of god and a good/better husband and father.


Hi Ato

Haven't read this book, but if you are seriously considering marrying your current gf, you should pick up a copy of 'Love and Respect' and both of you should read it.


i'll have to pick up a copy, thanks for the recommendation

3/23/12 8:06 AM
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thePetester - how about the movie that Mel Gibson did about crucifying Jesus? He might be an anti-semite homophobic intollerant jerk, but he is a great director.

 When I heard some liberal Episcopelian priest calling it "pornography" before I saw the movie I assumed he was full of crap.  After I watched it, however, I have to agree.  Don't get me wrong.  I like Mel Gibson's work, but the violence was over the top and did seem to be there to shock and titillate.  The early Christians didn't spend much time talking about the violence of the cross and the cult of suffering that arose in the West didn't really take off until the Middle Ages.  In the East the focus is on the resurrection, not on the pains Christ suffered to make it happen.  Now we have macho Filipinos having nails driven through their hands to share in the sufferings of Christ and I think they have lost the thread.  

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