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1/23/12 11:56 PM
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Funaki Masakatsu #1
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Didn't see this posted here yet. Ken's response:

"I will always be grateful for the opportunities MMA and wrestling have brought me. This would include the incredible experiences presented by the UFC.

ESPN asked me to provide comments for their OTL piece on MMA fighter pay and I gave my honest opinion on what I feel is an important part of the sport both past and future. I take being the first UFC Champion and UFC Hall of Famer as a responsibility; and I worry about our legacy. The sport is
new and in many ways we still have growing to do.

I stand by what I said. UFC has, good or bad, boxed out other competition. As a result, there are very few options for MMA fighters to make a living without working as fighters for UFC’s parent company, the ZUFFA Corporation. That’s why over 20 fighters that ESPN interviewed could not go on record for fear of losing favor with UFC. It is true that they pay the upper tier fighters well. I was one of the first to realize that kind of pay. I can appreciate the fighters Dana and Lorenzo cited with video clips, but they are not the fighters I was referring my comments to. I do feel there should be more transparency in reporting of fight gates and actual Pay Per Views. Yes, Lorenzo’s statements are true. You do have the right to audit; the problems arises when you ask for the audit.

Dana White’s response about me was just way over the top, and included several slanderous statements about me that where straight out lies. He said I failed 3 drug tests, and that is a lie. He said I owe him money, but I don’t owe Dana White anything. Dana and Lorenzo both know these statement are untrue.

Why did Dana have to mention anything about my knee. This has absolutely nothing to do with the interview. Dana White wanted me to fight for him, but I had a knee problem and wasn’t ready to fight. The truth is that my knee surgery was paid through my contract, out of what I earned. Dana insisted he needed me because UFC was dying and needed me to boost PPV’s. I came back sooner then I should have after the surgery. No regrets there on my part.

The fans are too smart to buy into this idea that UFC pays up to 50% to the fighters. I’m not a mathematician, but when they claim that the UFC is now the most valuable franchise in sports, the numbers do not add up. In the interview they said they paid out a quarter billion to fighters over the years but 50% means that the UFC ought to be dolling out closer to a $1 billion. Seems like the UFC fighters are getting short changed.

Lastly, this is typical of how Dana White responds to criticism – he deflects things and exaggerates with straight out lies. I can not understand why Dana feels the need to bad mouth me. In the end, it’s just disrespectful and slanderous to the FANS who love and support our sport.

-Ken Shamrock"

http://www.kenshamrock.com/news/kens-response-to-dana-whites-and-lorenzo-fertittas-video-regarding-the-recent-espn-interview-of-last-january-11th-2012 Phone Post
1/24/12 12:07 AM
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So, many, words......... Phone Post
1/24/12 12:11 AM
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1/24/12 12:23 AM
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I think he misunderstood Lorenzo on the whole UFC being the most valuable franchise thing. But he has some valid points. Bellator has major money backing them now, and as MMA becomes more popular more competition will pop up. Phone Post
1/24/12 12:36 AM
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I just had to pinch myself, Supercalo's post is touching mine. Phone Post
1/24/12 12:39 AM
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Ken Shamrock should get 5 minutes alone with Dana White to settle this like men.

1/24/12 12:48 AM
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inf0 - Ken Shamrock should get 5 minutes alone with Dana White to settle this like men.
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This.

1/24/12 12:50 AM
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Dayna changes his story so many times.


1/24/12 12:57 AM
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Ortiz bashes Dana very publicly, got back in the UFC making millions.
Shamrock did his complaints purely litigiously, gets treated like shit.
1/24/12 1:01 AM
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What I want to know is. When you visit Ken's site, who is he pointing at?
1/24/12 1:05 AM
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Funaki Masakatsu #1 - Didn't see this posted here yet. Ken's response:<br><br>"I will always be grateful for the opportunities MMA and wrestling have brought me. This would include the incredible experiences presented by the UFC.<br> <br>ESPN asked me to provide comments for their OTL piece on MMA fighter pay and I gave my honest opinion on what I feel is an important part of the sport both past and future. I take being the first UFC Champion and UFC Hall of Famer as a responsibility; and I worry about our legacy. The sport is<br>new and in many ways we still have growing to do.<br> <br>I stand by what I said. UFC has, good or bad, boxed out other competition. As a result, there are very few options for MMA fighters to make a living without working as fighters for UFC’s parent company, the ZUFFA Corporation. That’s why over 20 fighters that ESPN interviewed could not go on record for fear of losing favor with UFC. It is true that they pay the upper tier fighters well. I was one of the first to realize that kind of pay. I can appreciate the fighters Dana and Lorenzo cited with video clips, but they are not the fighters I was referring my comments to. I do feel there should be more transparency in reporting of fight gates and actual Pay Per Views. Yes, Lorenzo’s statements are true. You do have the right to audit; the problems arises when you ask for the audit.<br> <br>Dana White’s response about me was just way over the top, and included several slanderous statements about me that where straight out lies. He said I failed 3 drug tests, and that is a lie. He said I owe him money, but I don’t owe Dana White anything. Dana and Lorenzo both know these statement are untrue.<br> <br>Why did Dana have to mention anything about my knee. This has absolutely nothing to do with the interview. Dana White wanted me to fight for him, but I had a knee problem and wasn’t ready to fight. The truth is that my knee surgery was paid through my contract, out of what I earned. Dana insisted he needed me because UFC was dying and needed me to boost PPV’s. I came back sooner then I should have after the surgery. No regrets there on my part.<br> <br>The fans are too smart to buy into this idea that UFC pays up to 50% to the fighters. I’m not a mathematician, but when they claim that the UFC is now the most valuable franchise in sports, the numbers do not add up. In the interview they said they paid out a quarter billion to fighters over the years but 50% means that the UFC ought to be dolling out closer to a $1 billion. Seems like the UFC fighters are getting short changed.<br> <br>Lastly, this is typical of how Dana White responds to criticism – he deflects things and exaggerates with straight out lies. I can not understand why Dana feels the need to bad mouth me. In the end, it’s just disrespectful and slanderous to the FANS who love and support our sport.<br><br>-Ken Shamrock"<br><br>http://www.kenshamrock.com/news/kens-response-to-dana-whites-and-lorenzo-fertittas-video-regarding-the-recent-espn-interview-of-last-january-11th-2012 <img src="/images/phone/apple.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>



Ken by living death....
1/24/12 1:06 AM
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Revenue != Profit

I do agree that buying up SF was a shady move though. Phone Post
1/24/12 1:09 AM
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IFingeredMyMumWhileNeerBangedMySN - I think he misunderstood Lorenzo on the whole UFC being the most valuable franchise thing. But he has some valid points. Bellator has major money backing them now, and as MMA becomes more popular more competition will pop up. Phone Post

well let's just start with the fact that it's a very stupid and horribly incorrect statement.

The UFC is a franshise? of what? LOL. what he tries to say I guess is that comparing them to a team in other sports? i mean that's just silly, but the Dallas Cowboys, just one single team in the NFL is worth more than the entire UFC. So the statement is nothing short of stupid.

The UFC is still tiny, and NHL bring in more money. the lowest of the mainstream sports in the US>
1/24/12 1:15 AM
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"slanderous to the FANS"

How?
1/24/12 1:15 AM
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sadly, there probably gonna be several 'fans' reading this and seriously asking themselves that
 
1/24/12 1:18 AM
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The legend speaketh the truth.
1/24/12 1:30 AM
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GeoDim - Revenue != Profit<br><br>I do agree that buying up SF was a shady move though. <img src="/images/phone/apple.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>


The question was about revenue--not profit. Specifically, he was asked about the share of revenue that the other sports pay out to the talent. The other sports pay out of gross revenue, not net profit.

Net profit can be diluted artificially in dozens and dozens of ways--one of which being, take out a large loan, and declare an immediate dividend with the proceeds.
1/24/12 1:38 AM
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Does Shamrock v Fedor make sense?
1/24/12 1:54 AM
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fat ass fuck fester is a known liar....so I'll take ken shamrocks word over his any day
1/24/12 1:58 AM
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I will always have repect for Ken.

He's the reason I got into MMA (following him over from the WWF for UFC 40), and I'll always be a fan.
1/24/12 2:03 AM
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Great level headed reply by Shamrock. He also makes very valid points. If anyone seemed bitter it was Dana White. His response was unprofessional and screamed immaturity. I think Shamrock has served himself well with this reply and, at the end of the day, I agree with the core of his position.
1/24/12 2:15 AM
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Ken Shamrock > Dana White
1/24/12 2:31 AM
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 Shamrock made a huge sacrafice by fighting after the knee thing.   Wonder how much they done for him in return?  seems like alot.  
1/24/12 2:47 AM
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1/24/12 3:25 AM
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dana's next vlog will dedicate 5 minutes at least of him ranting and cussing out ken shamrock.

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