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2/26/12 11:05 AM
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 My problems  - I've got 3 levels in my c-spine that are bulging, but only at the c5/c6 level is it touching the nerve. My lumbar issue is L5/S1 bulge - Basically I've got degenerative disc disease.

I have intermitent nerological problems with the c-spine, but rarely any with the lumbar bulge. Basically saying I only have pain, but it's like I'm a prisoner in my own body sometimes. I cannot sleep without medication or weed, and I cannot smoke weed due to my job.

Currently all I do is self massage with a thera-cane, cervical traction with a saunders unit, and mild stretching. Other than that I take opiates which relieve the burning pain like no other medicine. I've also got at my disposal Amrix, Flexeril, and Soma. The soma is the best of these 3 medicines, but does not relieve any pain, just sedates. I might add I've been through no less than 6 rounds of phys. therapy to no avail.

I'm curious to hear what you guys are doing to manage your back pain?


I also want to start taking schedule II drugs, but don't know who to see to get them. There's no need to fry my liver any more than I already have. I've been on Norco, same dosage for 3 years (3x per day, 10/325). I've proven I can be functional on these medicine(s). I've tried seeing a PM doctor last year but couldnt stand him and I dropped them. He did not seem to relate to my problem at all. I'm scared to be labeled as a seeker if I visit multiple doctors - it's really a rough fucking road because nobody can see what you're going through.

And I don't care if my life was in jeapordy, there's no fucking way anyone is sticking a needle in my spinal cord (the next standard course of treatment).

Because I have back problems from top to bottom, weight lifting causes me to lose sleep - Pretty much anything that agitates my muscles absolutely kills me when trying to sleep. If I could fast forward to 1 month out lifting, I think it might help tremendously. I'm softer than I've ever been and need to build up my core.
2/28/12 1:46 AM
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Oxycontin was the only thing that gave ANY relief to start off with.
The main thing that seems to alter the pain levels is how I sleep.
For the last 2 weeks I've slept on the carpet, flat on my back, with my legs up on the bed.

The cortico steroids helped the first tiem around as well, but I'm assuming you won't do that.
2/28/12 1:52 AM
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2/29/12 1:17 PM
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FatFrenchFry - Oxycontin was the only thing that gave ANY relief to start off with.
The main thing that seems to alter the pain levels is how I sleep.
For the last 2 weeks I've slept on the carpet, flat on my back, with my legs up on the bed.

The cortico steroids helped the first tiem around as well, but I'm assuming you won't do that.

 I know, I know, I just dunno how or who to see to get better medicine. I'm scared to death to be labled a seeker, don't know who to see, etc. I tried visiting a PM doctor and he just didnt seem to get that I'd been through the rounds of PT, etc. Some Asian guy with poor communication. Anyways,

Yes, I know what you mean about the sleep. Problem is I have a hard time sleeping unless the drugs are working. I will take oral steroids, but dude if it were life and death I wouldnt let them stick a needle in my spine. I damn near pass out getting a weeny little shot at the dentist. I'm terrified of needles.

I've heard about traction type treatments but don't know who to see for this either. I've got an appt. with an injection guy next week - Going to see what he says to do. I could probably stand a trigger point, but epidural style is out of the question.

Checking your thread now
2/29/12 5:44 PM
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The cortisone needle was much nicer than I thought it would be. First time I had it it did wonders. Took about 5 days before it started working though.
The next time it did nothing, which sucked. I asked the specialist and he pretty much said he had no idea why that would be.
Definately worth it if you get the results. Thing that sucks is, you never know until after it's done.

Don't know where you're from (I'm in Australia), but I've never had a problem getting pain meds (except in ED). I have a great relationship with my GP, and he could tell the level of pain I was in. Also helped that his bro had a similar issue.

I'm scared of becoming an addict after reading the thread here though.

Traction made mine worse. I guess you just have to try the different things.
2/29/12 6:25 PM
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Some exercises I found helped.

Gentle bouncing on an exercise ball. This is supposed to 'pump' the discs and accelerate healing.
Not sure if this helped or not, but I have a ball instead of a seat on the PC, so was no hassle.
2/29/12 6:35 PM
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Extensions. I think this is from the Alexander technique.
Started with the 'prone prop', could barely lift my head of the ground, any more and it irritated the nerve in my leg.
I've slowly increased the range over time.I do this for 5 minutes, 5 times a day.

Next the standing extensions. Mine was slightly modified as the disc was protruding sidewards, so I bent to the right before hand. Hard to explain, and don't do this, unless you know where it's pushing against the nerve, as it could irritate it (the sidewards movement, extensions should be fine).

This time around I'm not doing the prone push-up yet, as it's still too much, but I was doing this before it flared up again. I never got anywhere near the ROM the girl in the vid did though.
3/1/12 11:19 AM
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FatFrenchFry - The cortisone needle was much nicer than I thought it would be. First time I had it it did wonders. Took about 5 days before it started working though.
The next time it did nothing, which sucked. I asked the specialist and he pretty much said he had no idea why that would be.
Definately worth it if you get the results. Thing that sucks is, you never know until after it's done.

Don't know where you're from (I'm in Australia), but I've never had a problem getting pain meds (except in ED). I have a great relationship with my GP, and he could tell the level of pain I was in. Also helped that his bro had a similar issue.

I'm scared of becoming an addict after reading the thread here though.

Traction made mine worse. I guess you just have to try the different things.
From USA, where presription narcotic abuse is becoming an epidemic of sorts. All sorts of people seek and abuse these drugs. It's a damn shame as I have found, because legit CP patients have a tougher time and are scrutinized more and more. I've never been offered anything stronger than what I'm taking and I doubt my current doctor would be willing to prescribe. He's a family doctor and most family doctors do not want the DEA scrutiny. I need to find a good Pain Management doctor that understands and is willing to work with me. Most of these guys make their money doing injections which is why I feel fucked. I do not want a fucking needle inserted in or near my spinal cord. It's like my worst fear kind of thing.

Thanks for the vid's, I'll watch them for sure. I've heard of other procedures, more on the conservative side, similar to traction- Disc decompression procedures and such. I'm hoping someone who's had these things done will hop on here and see this.

Don't worry so much about becoming an addict unless you start using your medicine to feel good. Keep yourself in check - It's a tool, not the be all end all way to manage your pain (as I'm sure you know). The fact that it's a strong tool I'm very thankful.
 
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FatFrenchFry - 
 
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Gentle bouncing on an exercise ball. This is supposed to 'pump' the discs and accelerate healing.
Not sure if this helped or not, but I have a ball instead of a seat on the PC, so was no hassle.

 Starting the disc pumps today. I'll report back and let you know if it helped.

I've done the prone-pop before and it doesnt seem to help much. Often times it flares my neck up which is probably why.
3/5/12 1:11 AM
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I found this article yesterday while searching for info , it's worth reading , I have issues at c5-6 & c6-7 so I feel your pain , I'm actually having a bad relapse now , its hurting pretty bad , I have a neck-pro ( traction device ) on order , should get here soon , but I did notice in that article they mentioned using the device like you have ( I think ) among other tips .

http://www.biblelife.org/neck.htm
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 ^^ The traction really helped my neck. That and icing helped with the neuro issues. Just make sure that device
doesnt move your neck the 'wrong way'.

I went to an injection doctor yesterday who diagnosed me with some controversial bullshit with my lower back. I'm not a happy camper right now. He's claiming the bulging disc (ive got cervical and lumbar bulges) isnt causing my lumbar guarding. I really liked the doctor, just not his diagnosis. Of course doctors must go by what they see. Anyways, no closer to a solution. I left there with more questions than answers. I'm going to give it another month and move on if needed.


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TheAssMurderer -  ^^ The traction really helped my neck. That and icing helped with the neuro issues. Just make sure that device
doesnt move your neck the 'wrong way'.

I went to an injection doctor yesterday who diagnosed me with some controversial bullshit with my lower back. I'm not a happy camper right now. He's claiming the bulging disc (ive got cervical and lumbar bulges) isnt causing my lumbar guarding. I really liked the doctor, just not his diagnosis. Of course doctors must go by what they see. Anyways, no closer to a solution. I left there with more questions than answers. I'm going to give it another month and move on if needed.


How's the progress? And what exactly is lumbar guarding? Phone Post
3/15/12 7:14 PM
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 Lumbar muscle guarding. All of your muscles tense. 

No, I'm way worse than last week. That Chiropractor fucked me up. Both feet have been numb since last Tuesday. I've never really had to deal with this before - Don't know what he did, but I'm fucking livid that this doctor thought it would be a good idea to send me there. 

I'm even more mad at myself, I should have known better. 

Sorry, I don't feel like typing the whole story, but basically he thought the disc wasnt touching the nerve (not causing my lumbar problem). Sent me to be stretched out on special bed by chiro, dickfuck chiro thought it would be a good idea to adjust me - Now I'm having all sorts of problems I never had before. Thoracic pain, numbness in feet, major spasms in all parts of spine, etc etc. 

I'm convinced it's the disc and the MRI isnt showing the l5/s1 bulge touching anything. What else could it be now? I mean, what's causing my feet to go numb when I sit down? He also gave me some medicine that fucked me up too. I could barely keep an erection on it ! Seriously. The medicine also bugged me out, made me sweaty and very anxious. 

I'm more confused now than I've ever been. Whatever this Chiropractor did could be permanent. I had no clue he was going to try and adjust me. It happened so fast I couldnt say no. Basically I was just lying there being stretched and massaged then wham! The doctor who sent me there said nothing about adjustment. I also TOLD the fucking chiropractor NO JERKING ME AROUND. Damn I hope I recover from this. I've already gotten out of some of the extra pain he caused, but the numbness is stil here and has been daily. Dude I just want my old life back. I'm only 32 and I feel like I'm 52. Nobody can see the pain so they don't understand. My Primary Care Physician and my regular Physical Therapist are the only people who havent downplayed my problems to me. Basically, anyone who's actually touched my back. These guys who don't know you and just look at films / talk to you for 15 minutes don't seem to relate. Fuck the guy wouldnt even do an injection in to my levator muscle (the one that spasms so much). 

Since Friday I've been exercising, doing yoga and stretching more than ever. I'm trying to get back to where I was. I just feel like I'm in for a life of medicine, doctor visits, and other bullshit no 32 year old should ever have to deal with. I see people living their lives, some of them wasting them, and I'm so jealous. Just want to be normal again bro.. 
3/15/12 7:36 PM
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Ok, I'll just type a bit more - 

So the day of the Chiropractor visit I didnt feel horrible though my feet were numb when I left. I knew something was wrong. It wasnt until the next day that my whole back tensed up/spasm'd, etc. 

I called and demanded they get me in to PT ASAP to try and at least get me back to where I was. I got in on Friday, Chiro visit was Tuesday - I lost about 10 hours of sleep both Wed/Thurs. 

When the PT felt my back he said every muscle was 'super tight'. His exact words. He said some other muscle is so tight that it's pinching my sciatic nerve. I've had some numbness in the past, but nowhere near as bad as this and it was usually from exercise. Never, ever (in 8 years of back problems) has my right foot went numb. Both feet are numb. Forgive me for the jargon, I'm just so mad at the whole situation. I went to this PM doctor to consult about trigger point injections. I have no fucking clue why he thought I should go get even more fucked up. He also said the muscle relaxers I just started taking are horrible. He thought I should go to an anti-depressent called Cymbalta. It's fucking garbage, I took 7 doses of it to give it a chance and it does shit for my neck and back pain. It just makes me feel weird and I cannot get my dick hard. WTF? 

I'd probably better add this - In no way shape or form did I ask for any narcotics from this guy. I didnt even hint at it. In fact, I've never asked for any kind of medicine except for my last doctor visit. I asked if I could try a different muscle relaxer because the one I previously took fucked me up too bad. Hard to get out of bed. They changed me to a MR called Soma, which is controlled, but I like it much better than Flexeril. The Flexeril leaves me with a bad pill hangover. The Soma is not nearly as bad but it's supposedly addictive. Fucking ridiculous - Like I actually want to be taking this shit. I've taken Zanaflex before and it dried me out really bad. MR's are pretty much garbage, but almost necesscary with all of the spasm problems. 

What I was getting at by not asking for meds is this - He didnt seem to take my condition very seriously. So here I am with a 3 level bulge in my neck, c5/c6 being the worst, and a l5/s1 bulge in my lumbar spine. I'm losing fucking sleep on a weekly basis, some days are okay, some are not. I'm as weak as I've ever been and it's starting to affect many areas of my life (sleep loss is horrible as I'm sure you know), and this asshole doesnt want to do anything for me. Worst part is I actually thought he was a very nice man. He just downplayed my symptoms without actually even touching me. I'm sure when I go back and tell him this chiropractor made me worse he'll have some bullshit to say about it. 

Forgive me for being so frustrated, but pain is the worst thing in the world to be treated for. Because it's a condition that cannot be seen, it's easy for a doctor to tell you that it's 'not that bad'. Surgery at my age is out of the question unless something horrible happens. I just don't see any way of fixing this problem. Thanks for listening. 
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Old thread is old, and I must admit i didn't read all of it, but I am 29 years old and I live in Norway.

When I was 18 I had an injury related to snow rugby that bended me double and I had terrible radiating pain down a leg. After 4-5 months of hobbling around and no improvement I had surgery.

I was 100% fine until I got another injury causing the other side (other leg) to get radiating pain, months passed and no improved, did another surgery. This was 4 years after.

Now I had a developing pain about 6-7 months ago that kept getting worse, and is now so bad I am having a third surgery.

Every time it has been different discs. My dad and my brother have also had surgery from debilitating sciatica.

Right, so I have a comment and a question.

It seems to me you guys in the US are SUPER trigger happy with Oxycontin. That is an absurdly powerful drug which is in fact not issued at all here in my country. I am using co-codamol, which is paracetamol(acetaminophen) and codeine, which is chicken shit compared to Oxycontin. Soooo many people get addicted to Oxys, I can't believe they give them to sciatica patients so frivolously. I can understand a desire to escape pain, and pain must be managed, but personally I get by with my weak codeine. Just saying. Must suck to get hooked on that stuff.

And secondly. I search the web all the time to read what others say about their surgeries and struggles with sciatica and discs. Almost all resources and posts are from the US. It seems to me you guys do not do so many surgeries.

You do:
1) Oxycontin
2) years and years and years of pain, drugs and countless hours and sessions of physio and stuff.

But the issues persist.

We do:
1) NSAID & co codamol
2) give it 3-4-5-6 months depending on impact on the patients quality of life
3) microsurgery

Which in most cases, as far as I can tell, in the vast majority is the end of the story, people get well from it.

It must be noted that both my dad and my brother are 100% fine since their operations, and that my problems are NOT recurring injuries, they are separate. The first two are different sides, and this third one is on a different level.

The surgery is simply... Go in, get dressed and iodined up, get anesthesized. Wake up slightly woozy, and go home. The next day you go for walks, sit down to eat...

I mean, god damn I can't imagine suffering for years and years when there is perfectly viable surgical options with very high success rates. Can't you get surgery?, is what my rambling post boils down to.
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Oh, and the post by OP in that thread that was linked to had an issue in his neck, and appears to have had his entire disc removed and replaced with a synthetic one, which is way more intrusive than what I had/will have. I am sure it can be a good surgery too, I have read about it, but 6 weeks of wearing a hard collar is quite different from the scenario of the rather simple surgery I outlined in my case.
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Motivated Penn - Old thread is old, and I must admit i didn't read all of it, but I am 29 years old and I live in Norway.

When I was 18 I had an injury related to snow rugby that bended me double and I had terrible radiating pain down a leg. After 4-5 months of hobbling around and no improvement I had surgery.

I was 100% fine until I got another injury causing the other side (other leg) to get radiating pain, months passed and no improved, did another surgery. This was 4 years after.

Now I had a developing pain about 6-7 months ago that kept getting worse, and is now so bad I am having a third surgery.

Every time it has been different discs. My dad and my brother have also had surgery from debilitating sciatica.

Right, so I have a comment and a question.

It seems to me you guys in the US are SUPER trigger happy with Oxycontin. That is an absurdly powerful drug which is in fact not issued at all here in my country. I am using co-codamol, which is paracetamol(acetaminophen) and codeine, which is chicken shit compared to Oxycontin. Soooo many people get addicted to Oxys, I can't believe they give them to sciatica patients so frivolously. I can understand a desire to escape pain, and pain must be managed, but personally I get by with my weak codeine. Just saying. Must suck to get hooked on that stuff.

And secondly. I search the web all the time to read what others say about their surgeries and struggles with sciatica and discs. Almost all resources and posts are from the US. It seems to me you guys do not do so many surgeries.

You do:
1) Oxycontin
2) years and years and years of pain, drugs and countless hours and sessions of physio and stuff.

But the issues persist.

We do:
1) NSAID & co codamol
2) give it 3-4-5-6 months depending on impact on the patients quality of life
3) microsurgery

Which in most cases, as far as I can tell, in the vast majority is the end of the story, people get well from it.

It must be noted that both my dad and my brother are 100% fine since their operations, and that my problems are NOT recurring injuries, they are separate. The first two are different sides, and this third one is on a different level.

The surgery is simply... Go in, get dressed and iodined up, get anesthesized. Wake up slightly woozy, and go home. The next day you go for walks, sit down to eat...

I mean, god damn I can't imagine suffering for years and years when there is perfectly viable surgical options with very high success rates. Can't you get surgery?, is what my rambling post boils down to.
No offense bro, but surgery is not a simple fix from people I've spoken too. Phone Post
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TheAssMurderer - Ok, I'll just type a bit more - 

So the day of the Chiropractor visit I didnt feel horrible though my feet were numb when I left. I knew something was wrong. It wasnt until the next day that my whole back tensed up/spasm'd, etc. 

I called and demanded they get me in to PT ASAP to try and at least get me back to where I was. I got in on Friday, Chiro visit was Tuesday - I lost about 10 hours of sleep both Wed/Thurs. 

When the PT felt my back he said every muscle was 'super tight'. His exact words. He said some other muscle is so tight that it's pinching my sciatic nerve. I've had some numbness in the past, but nowhere near as bad as this and it was usually from exercise. Never, ever (in 8 years of back problems) has my right foot went numb. Both feet are numb. Forgive me for the jargon, I'm just so mad at the whole situation. I went to this PM doctor to consult about trigger point injections. I have no fucking clue why he thought I should go get even more fucked up. He also said the muscle relaxers I just started taking are horrible. He thought I should go to an anti-depressent called Cymbalta. It's fucking garbage, I took 7 doses of it to give it a chance and it does shit for my neck and back pain. It just makes me feel weird and I cannot get my dick hard. WTF? 

I'd probably better add this - In no way shape or form did I ask for any narcotics from this guy. I didnt even hint at it. In fact, I've never asked for any kind of medicine except for my last doctor visit. I asked if I could try a different muscle relaxer because the one I previously took fucked me up too bad. Hard to get out of bed. They changed me to a MR called Soma, which is controlled, but I like it much better than Flexeril. The Flexeril leaves me with a bad pill hangover. The Soma is not nearly as bad but it's supposedly addictive. Fucking ridiculous - Like I actually want to be taking this shit. I've taken Zanaflex before and it dried me out really bad. MR's are pretty much garbage, but almost necesscary with all of the spasm problems. 

What I was getting at by not asking for meds is this - He didnt seem to take my condition very seriously. So here I am with a 3 level bulge in my neck, c5/c6 being the worst, and a l5/s1 bulge in my lumbar spine. I'm losing fucking sleep on a weekly basis, some days are okay, some are not. I'm as weak as I've ever been and it's starting to affect many areas of my life (sleep loss is horrible as I'm sure you know), and this asshole doesnt want to do anything for me. Worst part is I actually thought he was a very nice man. He just downplayed my symptoms without actually even touching me. I'm sure when I go back and tell him this chiropractor made me worse he'll have some bullshit to say about it. 

Forgive me for being so frustrated, but pain is the worst thing in the world to be treated for. Because it's a condition that cannot be seen, it's easy for a doctor to tell you that it's 'not that bad'. Surgery at my age is out of the question unless something horrible happens. I just don't see any way of fixing this problem. Thanks for listening. 
That fucking sucks. If it helps me, and a lot of people have been through similar situations.
Understand completely how frustrating it is. Phone Post
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Well the only thing I take offense to is that you seem to not have read my post, because I wrote clearly I have myself had two surgeries that made me 100% pain free for 4-5 years each time. My injuries are on different sides and different levels.

If you can fix your pains with training and non-surgical options, that is by far the superior alternative.

But when faced with YEARS of pain, reduced quality of life and no improvement, surgery is an obvious answer.

So I dunno why you mention people you have spoken to, when I just told you guys my very positive experiences with surgery in detail.

I want to mention that prior to this new injury of mine, which I have accrued through family predisposition and loooong days of slouching over a desk in my studies, I trained squats, deadlifts, jiu-jitsu, kickboxing, soccer, floorball, swimming.. anything I wanted. I was 100% fine. Then I took a break from the jitz because my knee was painful, and during that break my back started going bad.

When I talk about surgery, I am NOT talking about the extreme ones where you fuse discs, or replace the discs with synthetic ones. I am talking about the surgery where they go in through microscopy and clear up the matter that has herniated.
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I mean, just read what the ass dude is going through, with years of pain, and tons of drugs. He's losing sleep, erectile problems... no way to live.
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 Hey bro, 

Things have gotten more complicated with my lumbar spine - Supposedly, and now I've had it confirmed by 3 doctors that the disc bulge is not causing my problems. I'm going to see a diagnotician tomorrow. 

I'll have more time to reply to this after tomorrow. 

2 things though - The erectile problems were from SNRI or SNRI type drugs - Cymbalta, Tramadol, Flexeril. Will never take again. 

I do not take Oxycontin or Oxycodone. I take Norco, paramacetol/hydrocodone . Really this is as strong as a pain med as I need but I do not want to take APAP anymore. It's damaging to ones liver and there are no schedule 3 options other than painkillers that do not work as well. Nothing works as well as a narcotic as I'm sure you know. Takes most of the burn or 'raw' feeling away. 

I'll tell you guys more tomorrow. Closer to finding an answer - There have been some good and bad this past month. When I wrote the above 'crazed' posts I had been injured by some dumbass who had no business putting his hands on me. 
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Motivated Penn - Well the only thing I take offense to is that you seem to not have read my post, because I wrote clearly I have myself had two surgeries that made me 100% pain free for 4-5 years each time. My injuries are on different sides and different levels.

If you can fix your pains with training and non-surgical options, that is by far the superior alternative.

But when faced with YEARS of pain, reduced quality of life and no improvement, surgery is an obvious answer.

So I dunno why you mention people you have spoken to, when I just told you guys my very positive experiences with surgery in detail.

I want to mention that prior to this new injury of mine, which I have accrued through family predisposition and loooong days of slouching over a desk in my studies, I trained squats, deadlifts, jiu-jitsu, kickboxing, soccer, floorball, swimming.. anything I wanted. I was 100% fine. Then I took a break from the jitz because my knee was painful, and during that break my back started going bad.

When I talk about surgery, I am NOT talking about the extreme ones where you fuse discs, or replace the discs with synthetic ones. I am talking about the surgery where they go in through microscopy and clear up the matter that has herniated.
Apologies, I didn't read your post clearly. I thought you said you had surgery and needed future surgery on the same disc. Phone Post
4/11/12 3:59 PM
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 Ok, so today I went to a surgical group (supposedly one of the best in my state). This just keeps getting more interesting - Now, apparently, none of the discs are causing my problems. He ordered another cervical and lumbar MRI to make sure. WTF? I've seen multiple doctors about my neck and it's all the same - disc bulge. 

I can speak frankly with you guys because there's nothing to gain here except for knowledge - I dunno what in the hell these guys think about me. I've never been one to run to the doctor until back problems -  my quality of life is being greatly reduced. I dunno if they even believe me - I dunno what to think. Obviously MY doctor believes me because it's impossible to fake having back problems. My back does not feel like a normal back - Cervical and Lumbar muscles are guarding all of the time. Whatever the case it's moderate to severe pain. Both of my hands go numb and my left foot goes numb. I dunno how it cannot be the disc - Being treated for pain is the most difficult thing I've ever had to go through. I'm being nickled and dimed to death by medical bills, but if I do not deal with the ASAP, I may as well roll over and die.

I'm just dumbfounded at this entire situation. There must be an underlying cause - Especially with the lumbar problems. I've had it for too long. So, once again, I leave a Dr. visit with more questions than answers. If someone can ever figure out what in the hell is wrong with me, I swear I'm buying them a whore lol. It's unbelieveable that in 2012, it's so hard to diagnose a back problem. I can guaran-fucking-tee you if it were them they'd be finding a cause. This is no way to live...

The cervical issues are the disc - There's no doubt in my mind. I don't care what some fucking film says, it's classic disc bulge - I would bet a paycheck that when they finally figure out what's wrong with my low back, it's going to be some bone disorder or nerve problem. It hurts to bad 24/7 to be anything else. Cheers to good backs guys. 
4/11/12 4:48 PM
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You should read 'healing back pain' by dr sarno. It has done wonders for a lot of people here. Phone Post
4/11/12 10:45 PM
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Well that book is like 10$, so it sounds like a great idea. You have issues with your neck and your lower back. Numbness in both arms and a leg. That's bad times indeed. Especially when you've been messing around with so many drugs and procedures and nothing seems to work.

Are you speaking to experts who have "seen it all"? Might be worth trying to get in touch with a true top tier neurologist, considering you've just about tried everything else.

You say your hands go numb, do you mean hands, or the entire arms? Any pain in the arms? What about the leg, do you have sciatic pain? Radiating to the shin, inner thigh, buttock, perhaps the instep or big toe..?

I have radiating pain that stops in the middle of my shin. I walked to the store today to pick up my prescription and some groceries. Carried two rather light bags home. Sweat was pouring off me by the time I got back, from tensing up so much to try and minimize the pain. I feel almost fine leaving the house, and it just gradually goes to shit.

So that's why I am having surgery.

Your problem seems more complex, because (sorry I might have missed it), your MRI didn't conclusively show the cause of the problem? Plus you have issues at several locations.

I listened to Loveline with dr. Drew for YEARS, and he mentioned quite often that patients with vague back issues with no immediately identifiable cause could be opiate addicts. You've touched on that many times, but... have you used opiates prior to the onset of the pain?

He went on to say, and this is interesting, that with opiates, often times even after the true cause of the pain has gone away, the brain has been rewired by the drugs to cause pain itself, to cause need for more drugs. I'm sure you have reflected on this.

Just seems so odd.. have surgery even been discussed for you?

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