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2/28/12 4:49 PM
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Gendai Budo
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My apologies as I am certain this question has been asked many times.

1. What arts or systems have you studied that you believe complement Judo well? In this instance complementary is undefined and could be overlapping (Brazilian Jiujitsu or Greco-Roman Wresting) or contrasting (Muay Thai or Taekwondo) although my preference is for developing the necessary skill sets to be successful in Judo.

2. Why do you believe the art or system complemented Judo well?

3. Which knowledge, skills or abilities where most complementary?

4. Based on your experiences do you have an opinion of other arts or systems that complement Judo well?
2/28/12 4:51 PM
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Boxing. Phone Post
2/28/12 5:19 PM
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Boxing. I came from boxing way before ever putting on a judo gi. Phone Post
2/28/12 5:29 PM
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The hand eye coordination skills aid in judos grip fighting. I also use a lot of parrys when grip fighting. Foot work as well.
Problem I had was I lead with a left hand forward in boxing ( jabbing hand) in judo you lead with your strong side forward, to start with anyway. However this helped me throw of both sides a bit quicker than others at my level.
Not to mention the fitness and controlled aggression boxing can add. Although when I started judo I was still shocked at how physically demanding judo is.
After a boxing bout I may of felt a bit sore , after my first real judo comp I felt like a double decker buss had run over me. Whole body hurt. Lol Phone Post
2/28/12 5:32 PM
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Just to make you a better judoka I'd say wrestling and bjj. Phone Post
2/28/12 8:49 PM
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 Honestly: I can't think of another combat sport that doesn't compliment judo/vice versa.  ex..
Wrestling: obviously the takedowns
BJJ: the submissions and focus on position.
Boxing : solid judo base creates powerful punching. clinch/dirty boxing
Muay thai: You'd be amazed how many muay thai clinch sweeps have a judo equivalent. 
SanShou, Sambo, etc.
2/29/12 2:51 AM
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All said and done. I still think if you want to be good at judo, nothing is better than training as much judo as you can! Phone Post
2/29/12 10:55 AM
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why stop at just being a better judoka? i personally use cross training to better myself as a whole. hopefully i'll be a better judoka and jiujitsu-ka as a result..
2/29/12 6:39 PM
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I think wrestling is a good compliment to judo especially in the teen years. Our best brown belt (17 yr old) just completed his 1st year wrestling in HS(grade 11) and his confidence, stamina, weight loss and improvements have jumped up dramatically. His judo stand up is is A-1 but he was weak on the ground and wrestling has made him a well rounded judoka. I recently watched him at his first judo tournament in 4 months and he demolished the advanced 81k and 90K combined div.all with ippons. He told me he won all his wrestling matches with judo and wouldn't of won any matches without it.

One of his wrestling matches is on you tube called Harun judo. v=2CIxgYpDOl0
3/4/12 7:12 PM
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if you're just looking at complimenting judo, I cannot argue with what is above. If you're looking at "rounding out" your martial arts skills, I would say that a Muay Thai/boxing style is the way to go.

Both arts work from a strong base, one that is much more "squared up" than TKD or Chinese boxing. Both are much more fluid and dynamic than karate, with a focus on realistic practice and individualized components rather than horse stances, loud screaming, and katas.

Both boxing and Muay Thai blows can be easily incorporated into a judo base, with the arm motions being very similar (jab/initial collar grab, hook/arm slip for a koshi guruma or o goshi) and leg motion tending to be similar, or at least low and effective. With Muay Thai, you're gonna train mostly in lower kicks and knees, with a ton of time fighting from the clinch.
3/7/12 10:56 AM
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How about Combat Sambo. You would basicly have the same throwing a grappling game with strikes added in. No insult intended if there is more to Combat Sambo.
3/8/12 10:19 AM
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Gymnastics (before beginning Judo)- flexibility and coordination retention through out your whole life.

Wrestling- Improves transitions from standing to the mat DRASTICALLY!

Boxing- Perfect for fast twitch muscle fibers and foot work.

BJJ- But if Judo success is the end game, I suggest you engage early and pursue everything with the purpose of executing your newaza quickly. Rather than the slow methodical game of chess that most judoka get coaxed into. Which, I am not gonna lie, is fun too.
3/8/12 9:57 PM
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i agree with JFlow...

but, for my 4 year old I decided to just start kicking his ass since he was about a month old. i was footsweeping him since before he could walk. ever see an a-hole dad footsweep a crawling baby??? yea, i went there. he learned ukemi by having his dirty diapered ass fall down the open basement stairs.

I guess i worried about pain tolerance first and foremost. =)
3/10/12 1:50 AM
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JoshuaResnick - i agree with JFlow...

but, for my 4 year old I decided to just start kicking his ass since he was about a month old. i was footsweeping him since before he could walk. ever see an a-hole dad footsweep a crawling baby??? yea, i went there. he learned ukemi by having his dirty diapered ass fall down the open basement stairs.

I guess i worried about pain tolerance first and foremost. =)



Madness?


THIS IS RESNIIIIIICK!

*kicks son down stairs*
3/12/12 1:08 PM
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How about some Japanese karate? wear a gi, work on your footwork, all moves are explosive, and get to work on blocking.

Lots of Japanese karate instructors I knew have BB in Judo. Must be a reason for that... Phone Post
3/12/12 5:08 PM
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Many japanese cross train in both judo and karate. Think that's how the whole kudo started up. Phone Post
3/13/12 1:52 PM
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Spartan79 - Many japanese cross train in both judo and karate. Think that's how the whole kudo started up. <img src="/images/phone/apple.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>


No, not many. Japanese in general tend to stick with one dicipline. I am not saying it's a bad idea, though.

The guy who created Daidojuku Karate (later called Kudo)did train Judo in college. He learned kyokushin and later started his own style by adding throws etc.
Yeah I did train kudo for a bit but wasn't so keen. The creator is black belt in both judo and karate. This was my source to saying many Japanese cross train. I saw the creator of kudo on YouTube talking about kudo and cross training in Japan. Phone Post
3/13/12 10:13 PM
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Judo and skydiving.. Judo and Rock Climbing...
3/14/12 2:49 AM
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Lol not if your over 30 though josh ! Not judo nor any thing else slightly dangerous should be done, so some people think LOL Phone Post
3/14/12 7:50 AM
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My wife teaches yoga and has more frequest injuries than I do in judo. I have taken her for 2 micro back surguries in the past year. Along with elbow tendinitis and a knee issue.
3/14/12 9:19 AM
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judoblackbelt - My wife teaches yoga and has more frequest injuries than I do in judo. I have taken her for 2 micro back surguries in the past year. Along with elbow tendinitis and a knee issue.



sounds like she's doing it wrong.
3/15/12 2:32 AM
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judoblackbelt - My wife teaches yoga and has more frequest injuries than I do in judo. I have taken her for 2 micro back surguries in the past year. Along with elbow tendinitis and a knee issue.
Just goes to show there's never a safe bet. One life LIVE it. Wish your Mrs well Blackbelt I know how much of a pain back problems can be. I have a brother in law with back problems and he was a footballer. Phone Post
3/15/12 8:22 AM
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CS- she overtrains is what I think and the more advanced you are the more risky poses you attempt. She was doing that aerial/swing stuff also. And they balance people on each other. Crazy stuff.
3/16/12 3:00 AM
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Gotcha. Yeah, overtraining is a biotch.
3/18/12 2:46 PM
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it is very rare that people actually over train their bodies. especially as adults. over training is something you might see serious collegiate, world and olympic caliber athletes doing... not somebody doing yoga, even if they do it 15 times a week.

Generally, injuries occur from doing something improperly or simply not giving your body adequate rest. there is a difference between over training and under recuperation. however, if you talk to most MD's they wouldn't be able to tell you the difference if it hit them in the face.

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