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3/2/12 9:14 AM
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The week kicked off with some big news about poker on television, namely that Poker After Dark would be returning to the air. Beginning on March 5, NBC Sports Network, previously known as Versus, will air five 24 unaired episodes over five weeks, including four weeks of a cash game and one week (six episodes) of a sit-n-go.

The announcement made waves in the poker world and inspired a lot of questions. PokerNews reached out to Mori Eskandani of POKER PROductions, the company behind shows like PAD and the NBC National Heads-Up Championship to find out more.

Can you confirm that Poker After Dark will be returning to NBC Sports Network in March?

It sure is, and obviously we’re all excited. It’s nice to have these shows stay on the networks and stay in the public eye, especially Poker After Dark, since it’s such a big franchise. So, yes, it is coming back to NBC Sports Network. They’ll start this March 5. They have a late-night block of games, so it’ll show at midnight for one hour, and just like before, you’ll see it Monday through Friday and then the Director’s Cut on Saturday.

Why did NBCSN decide to air these now?

This didn’t go away, it was only taken off in September, so it hasn’t been a year since it’s been off television. There are so many dark clouds right now over poker. I certainly don’t want to put my flashlight back over the dark clouds, but I’m sure sooner or later [networks shying away] will be lifted and it will be business as usual.

The show is coming back without the sponsors, that’s one requirement they had. All we want to do is put our shows back on TV, and I think it’s good for the industry, for sure.

You say that the show will be back without the sponsor, which was Full Tilt Poker. Does this mean that the logos will be digitally removed from the table, players, etc.?

There will be no more branding on the table. No one sponsors the players except the players, so they’re pretty much stand-alones. If we talk about the show itself, any signage is gone.

What can viewers expect to see when PAD is back on the air?

The show is coming back, and all the HD shows are the ones they’re going to re-air. They’ll start off with a lot of reruns. They’re still trying to work out what is the best way of bringing back five weeks of unaired shows that were supposed to be on NBC last year.

We never got to see them, so they’re planning to see about bringing those episodes back. When is the best time? What basically creates the most viewership? They haven’t made up their minds for the new shows, but they will air.

So come March, reruns will be aired at first?

Yes, come March 5, if I’m not mistaken, it probably starts with the $100,000 Sit-n-Go that had John Juanda, Erick Lindgren, Phil Galfond, Huck Seed, Tom Dwan and Phil Ivey, so it will start with that and the order will go with however they line it up. Obviously you’ll know every week what is coming the next week. Again, the new shows, which I’m sure all of us want to watch, they haven’t made up their minds as to the best plan of attack.

Are you able to tell us which players will be featured on the five weeks of the unaired cash game and one week of the sit-n-go?

All the big names that you know from Patrik Antonius, Phil Ivey, Tom Dwan, Eli Elezra, David Oppenheim, Phil Hellmuth, Andy Bloch, Justin Smith, they’re all there, and Annette Obrestad — we’ve never seen her play cash game — but she’ll play the cash game.

When were these shows shot?

These were all shot in 2010, so it’s been a long while, but cash games never die. We all want to watch them no matter when they were shot. I’m just happy that NBC has given us the opportunity to bring the show back, that’s obviously important to us, and who knows what the future holds. Hopefully there will be many more Poker After Darks — new ones — shot and aired.

Are you saying that there is a possibility for new episodes of Poker After Dark if these reruns and unaired episodes are successful?

One thing is for sure, it can’t hurt [if they're successful]. If a show goes off the air, that’s not good. It’s always been well received by the poker community. We always try to make entertaining groups [of players], put the right lineup together, and we know the cash games are getting high accolades from the community. So people realize that. They understand the value of that, but once it’s off the air, it could be off their mind. Now that it’s coming back, they can go back and revisit.

Like I said, I don’t want to speculate, but I am always confident. I feel like in a year or so, we’re going to see a whole bunch of shows coming back, and hopefully even better than before.

Is there any hope of bringing back the NBC National Heads Up Championship?

Is there any hope? I would say there’s a 90 percent chance it will play in 2013. That’s a very fun event and I know it’s going to be sorely missed this year, but it’s coming back. All these shows are coming back, it’s just that things got murky out there, and like I said, all of a sudden there were dark clouds up there. I know it’s still there and all of us are hoping it’ll go away. I’m confident, I have a lot of faith in our justice system, and I think things will get worked out.

Is there anything else you’d like to add?

Mainly, I just want everyone to stay positive. I think poker’s not going anywhere, the game itself is so great that if we in the industry stay positive and give it the right light, it’ll come back. It generates a lot of money, generates a lot of excitement, and I just don’t see what has happened over the last year as a hurdle that can’t be overcome.



3/7/12 12:02 AM
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great news..thanks for the heads up
3/28/12 2:55 PM
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 Im watching season 5 of poker after dark right now. What the fuck is up with Phil Laak?
I know he is the unabomber, but is he really world class?
Some of his moves made me think that he was making bad calls, bets, raises, reads, etc.
In eps 37 38 and 39 I think. Comes across as a real wanker too.
Dwan is a fucking idiot aswell.
A god damn luckbox with a seemingly poor grasp on live poker, but gets away with it due to having a distorted value of money now.
Opinions?
I havnt really seen alot of the WSOP or PAD stuff since they stopped televising it on free to air tv.
How have these guys done since black friday etc?
3/30/12 6:50 PM
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carcaju -  Im watching season 5 of poker after dark right now. What the fuck is up with Phil Laak?
I know he is the unabomber, but is he really world class?
Some of his moves made me think that he was making bad calls, bets, raises, reads, etc.
In eps 37 38 and 39 I think. Comes across as a real wanker too.
Dwan is a fucking idiot aswell.
A god damn luckbox with a seemingly poor grasp on live poker, but gets away with it due to having a distorted value of money now.
Opinions?
I havnt really seen alot of the WSOP or PAD stuff since they stopped televising it on free to air tv.
How have these guys done since black friday etc?


Any examples of hands you feel Dwan misplayed?
3/30/12 10:26 PM
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 Playing out of position with 10 2 off I think.

It's more about playing with terrible cards to begin with aswell and calling raises with such aweful cards.

I understand that his image makes it hard to put him on a strong or a weak hand, but still, I can't believe some of the shit he plays, calls and turns or rivers.
3/31/12 3:08 AM
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He's willing to play with shitty cards because he's passed the level where he is playing the cards at all.

He is playing that way because he feels he can outplay his opponents and for the most part he is right.

I'd be interested to see the statistics for his play because with all due respect you're not really breaking what you are saying down all that well.
3/31/12 11:10 PM
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 Thats because I have watched about 30 episodes. What is not clear about me saying that I can't believe some of the starting hands he raises with out of position? That is bad poker in anyone's terms. I also can't believe how lucky he was in the PAD episodes where they played for a week at Helmuths roast. He was just jagging all types of bullshit on the turns and rivers when he had no business being in any of the hands to begin with. There is a difference between outplaying someone and being stone cold lucky. One hand where he was behind pre flop with something like 8 2 off against pocket jacks or queens, calls the raise, hits bottom pair on the flop (a 2) while someone else hits top pair top kicker (a king I think). Calls the bet, misses the turn, calls the huge bet, jags a set on the river. Top notch poker right there.

I understand that you play the person, not the cards in some instances, but with people like Kenny Tran, do you really want to be going in with a shit hand that he can put an exact fucking read on you with? Silly.
I think winning 5 mil one year and dropping 3.2 mil in one month straight after speaks volumes about how good of a player he really is. Luck only lasts so long.

Sorry I can't cite the hand exactly, but I am already on to season 6 now.

The point I was trying to make was that for someone playing at the highest pinnacle of the game, he appeared to make some questionable moves. There were times when it worked (making Helmuth lay down a full house) and pushing Saffai off a massive pot with just a high card (7 4 or 7 6 off i think) on the river. He even comments himself in one hand that "it was a bad call".
4/1/12 12:36 AM
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carcaju,

He's not perfect, but you have to consider that they are playing extremely deepstacked poker. Stacks that deep change the starting hand requirements completely.

Also, I believe that you are referring to some hands he played against total nits (like Lederer), in which case his actual cards really matter very, very little since most of the time nits are totally fit or fold on the flop and Dwan can bet any two cards to get a fold--unless the nit flops big or has one of a few premium starting hands (with no scare cards on the board).
4/3/12 1:12 PM
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Not an expert, but seems like Dwan is a creative and very dangerous Hold'em and PLO player.

Live, I think the best example is on HSP when he pushed Greenstein off AA and Eastgate off trips after the flop. Not tournament play, but cash, which is what he's best at.

I also think being up over a million dollars does speak volumes about how good a player is, because very few players can make a million per year at poker, let alone what Dwan makes.
4/4/12 4:42 AM
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 Thanks, this is the kind of info i was looking for.
Justt so diff to my style of play in shortstack freerolls.
I was experimenting a little over the last few days when I could not stay for a whole tourney. Played a wide range of hands and called a lot of raises that I normally wouldnt. Very hit and miss.
4/5/12 12:05 AM
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carcaju,

Its definitely not something you want to do shortstacked. Shortstacking requires shoving in spots where you dont expect to be called, and shoving premium hands when you do expect a call.

Deepstack play is super intricate and generally requires that you throw starting hand charts out the window.

That isnt to say that playing certain hands out of position are usually a mistake, but the better you are the more leeway you have with your starting hand requirements.

Most games that you and I play will be full stacked rather than deepstacked, so we generally want to have a very tight range UTG and progressively widen that range as we get further out of position. People who play with 200+ BBs can get a lot more creative because the implied odds are greater.
4/5/12 3:30 PM
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 Cool. It is just very different play, and compared to me, these guys are on another level of skill.
Turbo tourneys with a shortstack ($5000) are very different to the game these guys are playing.

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