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The Roots Of Fight™ pays tribute to the rich history and tradition of martial arts from regions around the globe and connects the history and images of iconic fighters like Muhammad Ali and Bruce Lee with the contemporary global scale of Mixed Martial Arts.

Everyone loves a good story. Everyone loves a good fight. Together they are the Roots Of Fight™.

This film pays tribute to the epic grappling match between Gracie family patriarch Helio Gracie and the greatest judoka of all time, Masahiko Kimura on October 23rd 1951.

Kimura used his significant weight advantage to repeatedly throw the smaller Gracie, but could not finish him. In the thirteenth minute of the match, Kimura secured an ude garami shoulder lock. Gracie refused to submit but his corner, realizing the only possible outcome, threw in the towel and forfeited the match. Today, in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu the ude garami is known as the Kimura.

"He knew he was going to lose in front of his whole country, but he still engaged," says Rener Gracie. "And that's the definition of a warrior. That's the definition of a fighter. That's the definition of a modern-day samurai."

Roots of Fight commemorates Gracie vs. Kimura through the release of a short documentary with the story of the historic match recounted by Helio's grandson, Rener Gracie and footage of the match itself.

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3/5/12 2:01 PM
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 Kimura don`t even look Japanese in that picture.
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thats because he was Corean.
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Helio also admitted that Kimura choked him unconscious prior to the armlock.
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 To me it don`t even look like him.


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I didn't know Kimura was a JJ artist...interesting. He was a longtime Judo champion and pioneer coach of the Japanese national team in the olympic sport of judo from what I know.
3/5/12 3:57 PM
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Awesome story! I didn't know any of this until now.
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jayflo145 - I didn't know Kimura was a JJ artist...interesting. He was a longtime Judo champion and pioneer coach of the Japanese national team in the olympic sport of judo from what I know.

 Yea, I thought he was a judo guy fighting a jiu jitsu guy
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cool video!
3/6/12 4:40 AM
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This is lame... Kimura was a judoka not jiu-jitsu guy. Kato was also not even close to the number two judoka at the time, he wasn't even ranked lol. And 80 pounds weight advantage lmao.

All Japan Judo champions during that time according to wiki-pedia:

1949 Takahiko Ishikawa / Masahiko Kimura 1950 Takahiko Ishikawa 1951 Toshiro Daigo

Takahiko Ishikawa or Toshiro Daigo would have been the second best Japanese jiu-jitsu fighter, Kato my ass lol
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Here is Kimura's account of things from "My Judo"


After I returned from Hawaii, I went to Brazil by the invitation of Sao Paulo Shinbun (Note: local Japanese newspaper company in Sao Paulo). Sao Paulo Shinbun, which was in a slump, came up with an idea of doing pro wrestling to revive their business. The period of contract was 4 months. The participants were I, Yamaguchi, and Kato 5th dan. This enterprise was a big success. Wherever we went, the arena was super-packed. This made Pres. Mizuno of Sao Paulo Shinbun very happy. When we asked for a pay raise, he tripled our original pay on the spot. In addition to pro wrestling, we gave judo instruction wherever we went.

One day, Helio Gracie, judo 6th dan, issued a challenge to us. The rule of the bout was different from that of judo or pro wrestling. The winner was decided by submission only. No matter how cleanly a throw is executed or how long Osaekomi lasts, it does not count. He issued a challenge to Kato 5th dan first. The gong rang. Kato was in good condition, and threw Helio a number of times. However, past 15 minute mark, I started to see frustration in Kato's face. The throws had no damage on Helio since the mat was soft. At 30 min mark, it was evident that Kato was tired. "What's the matter, Kato, go to Newaza, don't stand up!" Japanese audience yelled. Kato then threw Helio down by O-soto-gari, mounted on Helio, and started Juji-jime. The audience roared with excitement. But, as I watched carefully, Helio was also applying a choke from below. They were trying to choke out each other. This lasted about 3 or 4 minutes. Kato's face started to turn pale. I shouted, "Stop!" to the referee, and jumped into the ring. When Helio released his hands, Kato collapsed onto the mat, face first. Two days after this bout, I saw Helio's students marching down a city street carrying a coffin. They were shouting, "Dead Japanese judoka Kato is in this coffin. He got killed by Helio. We ask your support for Judo Master Helio Gracie!"

After this bout, the popularity of our pro wrestling show declined rapidly. The Japanese whom we encountered on the street murmured, "They must be phonies, losing in such a pathetic manner." Helio issued another challenge, this time to Yamaguchi. Pres. Mizuno of Sao Paulo Newspaper also begged, "Mr. Yamaguchi, please kill Helio, this time." But Yamaguchi seemed reluctant, and asked "Let me think for one night." If he fought a judo match under the Japanese rule, Yamaguchi is superior to Helio both in Tachi-waza and Newaza. But under the Brazilian rule, if Helio got pinned on the ground, all he has to do is to stay calm and be cautious not to get caught in a choke or joint lock, and remain still till the time runs out. Helio could fight to a draw in this way. If he used this tactics, it would be difficult for Yamaguchi to make Helio surrender. I then said to Yamaguchi, "Do not bother to come up with a plan to make Helio submit. I will accept the challenge." Until the day of the bout, we continued pro wrestling shows every other day. 3 days before the bout, local newspaper had a big headline, saying "Kimura is not a Japanese. He seems to be a Cambodian. Helio cannot fight a fake Japanese." I was surprised to see it. I rushed to the Embassy of Japan with my passport, and got a proof that I am a Japanese.



20,000 people came to see the bout including President of Brazil. Helio was 180cm and 80kg. When I entered the stadium, I found a coffin. I asked what it was. I was told, "This is for Kimura. Helio brought this in." It was so funny that I almost burst into laughter. As I approached the ring, raw eggs were thrown at me. The gong rang. Helio grabbed me in both lapels, and attacked me with O-soto-gari and Kouchi-gari. But they did not move me at all. Now it's my turn. I blew him away up in the air by O-uchi-gari, Harai-goshi, Uchimata, Ippon-seoi. At about 10 minute mark, I threw him by O-soto-gari. I intended to cause a concussion. But since the mat was so soft that it did not have much impact on him. While continuing to throw him, I was thinking of a finishing method. I threw him by O-soto-gari again. As soon as Helio fell, I pinned him by Kuzure-kami-shiho-gatame. I held still for 2 or 3 minutes, and then tried to smother him by belly. Helio shook his head trying to breathe. He could not take it any longer, and tried to push up my body extending his left arm. That moment, I grabbed his left wrist with my right hand, and twisted up his arm. I applied Udegarami. I thought he would surrender immediately. But Helio would not tap the mat. I had no choice but keep on twisting the arm. The stadium became quiet. The bone of his arm was coming close to the breaking point. Finally, the sound of bone breaking echoed throughout the stadium. Helio still did not surrender. His left arm was already powerless. Under this rule, I had no choice but twist the arm again. There was plenty of time left. I twisted the left arm again. Another bone was broken. Helio still did not tap. When I tried to twist the arm once more, a white towel was thrown in. I won by TKO. My hand was raised high. Japanese Brazilians rushed into the ring and tossed me up in the air. On the other hand, Helio let his left arm hang and looked very sad withstanding the pain.
3/6/12 8:23 AM
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For all their talk about honor, the Gracies still won't give Kimura the respect of calling him what he was, a judoka.

Instead, he's a "jujitsu master," just so they don't have to admit Helio was manhandled by a judoka.

And all the nonsense about Helio knowing he was going to lose but valiantly going forth to fall in battle, Kato being the #2 "jujitsu master" in Japan, etc.

Salesmen to the core, those guys.
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I've always had an issue with the whole "I didn't lose, therefore i won" mentality that Helio had.

That's fine in a self defense situation, where surviving is the only goal, but in a fight?

Interesting that the one unspoken thing that saved Helio was the soft mats. I always thought Kimura tossed him once with Osoto and then beat him on the ground, didn't know he threw him with half of the judo curriculum.

Kimura clearly took his lunch money and they never really give him real credit for beating his ass.

Best excuse is that kimura was heavier.
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Interesting vid. What was the actual weight difference between Helio and KImura? Also, between Kato and Helio? Kato looked like a pretty small guy.
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Scythrop - For all their talk about honor, the Gracies still won't give Kimura the respect of calling him what he was, a judoka.

Instead, he's a "jujitsu master," just so they don't have to admit Helio was manhandled by a judoka.

And all the nonsense about Helio knowing he was going to lose but valiantly going forth to fall in battle, Kato being the #2 "jujitsu master" in Japan, etc.

Salesmen to the core, those guys.


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SlapUsilly - I've always had an issue with the whole "I didn't lose, therefore i won" mentality that Helio had.

That's fine in a self defense situation, where surviving is the only goal, but in a fight?

Interesting that the one unspoken thing that saved Helio was the soft mats. I always thought Kimura tossed him once with Osoto and then beat him on the ground, didn't know he threw him with half of the judo curriculum.

Kimura clearly took his lunch money and they never really give him real credit for beating his ass.

Best excuse is that kimura was heavier.



Agree.......Gracies with the exception of Renzo, are a bunch of sore losers!!!

but they did name the shoulder lock after him, KIMURA...... that's some sort of credit


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Scythrop - For all their talk about honor, the Gracies still won't give Kimura the respect of calling him what he was, a judoka.

Instead, he's a "jujitsu master," just so they don't have to admit Helio was manhandled by a judoka.

And all the nonsense about Helio knowing he was going to lose but valiantly going forth to fall in battle, Kato being the #2 "jujitsu master" in Japan, etc.

Salesmen to the core, those guys.


*wipes away tears with the gracie juice bag

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Scythrop - For all their talk about honor, the Gracies still won't give Kimura the respect of calling him what he was, a judoka.

Instead, he's a "jujitsu master," just so they don't have to admit Helio was manhandled by a judoka.

And all the nonsense about Helio knowing he was going to lose but valiantly going forth to fall in battle, Kato being the #2 "jujitsu master" in Japan, etc.

Salesmen to the core, those guys.


Yea, that whole non-Judo thing is pretty funny given its 2012 and everyone knows better. I mean Rener knows about judo and acknowledges Ronda Rousey is doing judo when he recapped her match, so why is one of the most famous Judo guys a "jujitsu master".

I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt and maybe its like when you grow up listening to your Dad or Grandad telling you about the time they caught a fish the size of a grizzly bear, you just buy into it since your young and these are your family members.
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LOL @ Helio being 180 cm. Seems like Kimura and the Gracies went to the same school of self-promotion.
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I actually think Judo as-is came to Brazil much later than Kimura. At the time, Judo was unknown in Brazil, and jiu-jitsu was known via Maeda.

So in that sense, from that point of view, Kimura to them was a jiu-jitsu guy, even though he was a pure Judo guy. Also at the time Kimura was no longer participating in Judo I believe. He was doing pro-wrestling and the like.

What is funny btw, is that if the Gracie's called it Judo, it may have been practiced much more than now. And may even have more influence on the horrible IJF and their stupid tweaks to the rules.
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Judo "as is" was in Brazil with Maeda. Known to all of Brazil (except the Gracies apparently) as the "pioneer of Brazil Judo" He and Ryuzo Ogawa opened their JUDO school in Brazil in 1938..Quite a time before Kimura..

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