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3/6/12 7:58 PM
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Id love to start judo I'm age 32 and would like to learn judo or bjj could any one plz tell me what style of judo is best for self defence and is there alot of subs in judo and does any body know of any good schools in Essex in the uk ? Phone Post
3/7/12 1:17 AM
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Have a look on the BJA website, it will be able to give you a list of local clubs within the BJA for you to look at, not really sure that you get different styles of Judo but different coaches may put more or less of a emphasis on standing/ground work depending on their/club goals.
There are also plenty of submissions that can be learnt but this is not what you will be getting taught straight away
3/7/12 2:10 AM
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You have the Olympic judo centre at Dartford . Depends where you are in Essex . Or as above said check out BJA website it will list all the clubs.
Regards to BJJ or judo depends what you want? BJJ is mostly Newazza ground or judo has both takedowns and groundwork depending which club you go to could depend how much ground / standing they do.
IMHO best to learn how to get someone to the floor before learning how to fight on the floor. Judo will however give you a understanding of ground and standing with transitions from standing to ground which is a big plus for judo! Phone Post
3/7/12 8:19 AM
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Here we go...
3/7/12 8:21 AM
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a good website is:

http://www.allenglandjudo.co.uk

Pick the tab "Clubs". There are many listed in the Essex area. Visit different clubs. Go to some local tournaments. Look for a club that has many white belts or novice ranks ( yellow/orange/green)belts. BJJ or judo? Try both and see where you enjoy it the most.
3/7/12 8:45 AM
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Outkaster - Here we go...
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3/7/12 8:46 AM
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The bloke asked I'm not knocking either art in anyway. Just told which one I like and for what reasons. ;-) Phone Post
3/7/12 7:36 PM
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Ty for the help guys Phone Post
3/8/12 3:59 PM
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start with judo.

3/9/12 3:39 PM
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If you are thinking for self defence then judo is the way to go. It will give you the ability to win standing and your ground work will at the very least be good enough to get you out of any bad situations on the street. Both are fun and painful in there own way.  
3/9/12 5:13 PM
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BJJ. Only because of Judo's higher odds of injury. Phone Post
3/10/12 4:58 AM
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honestly at your age (and I am hitting 34 myself) probably BJJ, Judo is just really hard on the knees and back (especially if you are training with kids in their late teens and early twenties).
3/10/12 5:49 AM
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Ha ha don't listen I'm 32 and not long started judo. Yeah it is hard and yes you do gets some knocks. I think the rewards are worth it! I'm a green belt and fought county level judo and still alive lol . Phone Post
3/10/12 7:17 AM
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Mayweedz- The BJJ forum has many posts about injuries sustained in BJJ, many. Judo may have more serious types of injuries(knee/shoulder) but BJJ because of the over training (easier sport to get better at over the long run). In judo be sensible and develope your throws and your body for taking throws. Practice throws on crash pads for your hard throws and work with experienced BB in Randori until you feel comfortable handling the newbies like yourself. Do what you enjoy the most doing. That is what will keep you in the sport. I did both and judo is the sport for me.
3/11/12 3:55 AM
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dave321 - Save your body. Judo is a young man's sport seriously. Take up bjj
So why at 32 is he too old to learn judo?
Is 32 old? Wouldn't it be good to learn at least some basic judo before BJJ? Or should he just fall softly on his arse every time in the hope of not getting a injury?
People can still throw you in a BJJ comp. Phone Post
3/11/12 6:32 AM
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Judo is a young man's sport if you want to train/compete all the time or want to get better by competing in tournaments beyond the local level. You don't have to compete or just do the local tournaments.
3/12/12 6:37 AM
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Really??? I'm doing ok. So are many others that have started in there 30 s . He is not going to become a world champ but will become a better grappler/fighter from judo training. Have you read mark laws book? He started in his 50s got black belt and still trains on the mat.
Do you really think 30 years old is too old to start judo? Man , I didn't want to say but MAN UP! Phone Post
3/12/12 12:29 PM
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dave321 -
Spartan79 - Really??? I'm doing ok. So are many others that have started in there 30 s . He is not going to become a world champ but will become a better grappler/fighter from judo training. Have you read mark laws book? He started in his 50s got black belt and still trains on the mat.<br>Do you really think 30 years old is too old to start judo? Man , I didn't want to say but MAN UP! <img src="/images/phone/apple.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>


Starting that late the risks greatly outweigh the rewards. The rewards: you develop your balance, after a few years you might be able to throw people. Risks: severely injury yourself.

I wouldn't be against it if the risk was not practically inevitable.
After a few years you can throw people??? Not sure who you train with mate but I was throwing people within 3 months and I'm nothing special! Within six months hard training you can get fairly good. Again noooo where near world class but good enough! I'm always open to a mess about with mates ESP on a sat afternoon in the beer garden and with only a little judo training was able to own non grapplers lol I surpose it's what you want out of judo? I only started after years of boxing. I fell in love with it once on the mat. Remember judo isn't just a sport , it is so much more IMHO . Phone Post
3/13/12 3:41 AM
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I must just be special then ;-) Phone Post
3/13/12 3:54 AM
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Dave where do you train mate? I am seriously interested. I'm in the uk started with Chris bowls former olympian then started at a smaller closer club that still had a few high level players.
Agreed maybe my throws were not perfect judo but they did the job.
I first started judo to round off my game coming from mainly Boxing and Thai as I've said. Yes I found Judo hard but easily to apply in real live situations which is what I started it for. I did BJJ but hated the way many just pulled gaurd .
Have I over struggled being in my thirtys ? No I don't think so. I've also come from a life of Scaffolding , Plastering and Heavy training so there's miles on the clock! Still found judo fun and useful to know. Phone Post
3/15/12 2:25 AM
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www.ocjudo.com has several 30+ year olds who are literally brand new.. I am sure that one or two of them are 50 years old, or nearly. Judo can be completely safe so long as the people who teach it are not dipshits who start people with major throws from day one and serious randori.

today i taught people how to move. nothing fancy, just move. how to relax enough that they can allow themselves to move and then attack to throw. nobody got hurt at all, people had a good time, a great workout, and they suddenly started to look like they know what they are doing.... even the 50 yo white belt!
3/15/12 2:29 AM
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How long have you done judo and where you train Dave? Phone Post
3/15/12 3:40 AM
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JoshuaResnick - www.ocjudo.com has several 30+ year olds who are literally brand new.. I am sure that one or two of them are 50 years old, or nearly. Judo can be completely safe so long as the people who teach it are not dipshits who start people with major throws from day one and serious randori.

today i taught people how to move. nothing fancy, just move. how to relax enough that they can allow themselves to move and then attack to throw. nobody got hurt at all, people had a good time, a great workout, and they suddenly started to look like they know what they are doing.... even the 50 yo white belt!
Good post ! From someone who knows what their talking about. Phone Post
3/15/12 7:59 AM
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dave321 - Spartan also to give you an idea of my experience I started BJJ my senior year of high school (17); I am 23 now. <br /><br />Throughout undergraduate and in highschool I was doing BJJ about 5 times a week (yay no responsibilities). I started Judo at my university at around 20. There were weeks I did judo 5-4 times a week and months I had to take off (due to surgery).

I have trained at my universities judo club, local judo clubs in Gainesville, and local Judo clubs in Tallahassee. I feel I am very solid for a hobbyist but nothing special.

I know you think "tough it out now" but you are new and never have had a serious injury. Say that now when you have responsibilities and you break your arm or leg. There is a reason all of the old judo guys avoid randori standup yet will practice newaza.
I have kids and a mortgage I'm also off at the mo after shoulder surgery. ( this was though boxing and work) bone spurs on both shoulders. I had this before ever standing on a mat. Will I do judo again? Hell Yer ! I will also try to enter more comps . Shame you only supplemented with judo you missed out on a good understanding of the art IMHO . Phone Post
3/15/12 8:14 AM
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Dave reread Joshua's post he's been in and around judo for a long time at high standard. I'm not saying Judo won't cause any injury's but it's fine to start in your thirtys or even older.
Just use a bit of common sense on the mat! Phone Post

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