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duckhuntgangsta -  ^^ So is your distain for Dana really about Fedor? 

People seem to forget he's a promoter. It's his job to promote the UFC and there is no one in the history of combat sports who's better at it. <br type="_moz" />


LOL @ him being the best promoter ever. look at the numbers Don King put up, or even De La Jolla and others. Dana didn't even make his biggest star, Vince McMahon did.

The amount of credit DW gets around here is obscene. Are you all really watching UFC fights because of him? I think this sport has more corporate power worshipping fans on average than any other.. So I will have to concede the possibility that DW is better than anyone in combat sports at SELF promotion.
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excellent write up and read.

thx for writing all that.

you covered a lot of truths in that.
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Didn't shamrock bs Tito do 700k buys ? Phone Post
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D241 -  Just to add to the Zuffa buyout of Sephomore Entertainment Group(SEG) and the questionable "happenings" around the time it wasn't being sanctioned, was bought out, then sanctioned time frame.

First off, if you say that nothing fishy happened, then you must initially take the stance that it is Pure Coincidence that UFC under SEG was failing and going bankrupt and getting it sanctioned was a last ditch effort to save it before eventually having to sell the UFC for what is now a bargain price.

Fact-Lorenzo Fertitta was a longtime board member of the Nevada state athletic comission.

Fact-There was no vote that had to be on record. This means that Bob Merywitz(SEG) claim that a vote was done doesn't mean it didn't happen, it just means there's no recorded proof. You can't prove what Bob is saying is correct, but you cannot dispute it as well.

Fact-UFC under SEG was failing financially and in order to save the company, they needed to get back on ppv, and to be allowed back on ppv, they had to be sanctioned.

UFC under SEG DID try to get sanctioned in Nevada but couldn't. UFC under Zuffa DID try to get sanctioned in Nevada, and did. The timeframe is less than 90 days from when UFC/SEG tried to get sanctioned in Nevada but couldn't, from when Zuffa bought out UFC and was able to get sanctioned.


Regardless if you think that shady tactics were used, I, being in the belief that shadyness occurred, still believe that the Fertitta brothers and that other guy nobody talks about who is part owner(not Dana White), did what they needed to to not only be in position to purchase the UFC, but have used their power to help the sport grow.

Even if Zuffa owners were simply trying to build up the UFC brand, they did help bring the sport up.

 First off, if you say that nothing fishy happened, then you must initially take the stance that it is Pure Coincidence that UFC under SEG was failing and going bankrupt and getting it sanctioned was a last ditch effort to save it before eventually having to sell the UFC for what is now a bargain price.

The UFC under SEG was sanctioned in New Jersey and in fact held a show there a month before Bob decided to sell the UFC. Sanctioning wasn't his problem at the time he decided to sell. He just couldn't bounce around and do shows wherever he wanted to like he could previously. But neither could Zuffa, which is why they had to run their first 3 shows in NJ before Nevada would finally sanction them. Per Meyrowitz in the CNBC special as well as numerous articles, he just got fed up with funding the battles SEG created via their marketing practices that got his product banned in most states and from PPV (PPV's generated the lions share of his revenue) so he got rid of it to the highest bidder. Zuffa shouldered the burden (man power and money) that he wasn't willing to and turned it around and the rest is history.

Fact-Lorenzo Fertitta was a longtime board member of the Nevada state athletic comission.

He served for 3 years before leaving to become President of Station Casinos.

Fact-There was no vote that had to be on record. This means that Bob Merywitz(SEG) claim that a vote was done doesn't mean it didn't happen, it just means there's no recorded proof. You can't prove what Bob is saying is correct, but you cannot dispute it as well.

See page 6 for the agenda and minutes for the  meeting. You can absolutely dispute what he later said.

Fact-UFC under SEG was failing financially and in order to save the company, they needed to get back on ppv, and to be allowed back on ppv, they had to be sanctioned.

No, MMA was sanctioned in NJ when SEG sold to Zuffa and they had run a show there one month before (11/2000). After Zuffa bought it, they held 3 shows before finally getting the right to broadcast events via PPV again. UFC 33 in Vegas was the first PPV event under Zuffa but it wasn't dependent on sanctioning because they were already sanctioned in NJ- so was SEG.

UFC under SEG DID try to get sanctioned in Nevada but couldn't. UFC under Zuffa DID try to get sanctioned in Nevada, and did. The timeframe is less than 90 days from when UFC/SEG tried to get sanctioned in Nevada but couldn't, from when Zuffa bought out UFC and was able to get sanctioned.

April 1999 to September 2001 is "less than 90 days"? See page 6 for documentation.

Regardless if you think that shady tactics were used, I, being in the belief that shadyness occurred, still believe that the Fertitta brothers and that other guy nobody talks about who is part owner(not Dana White), did what they needed to to not only be in position to purchase the UFC, but have used their power to help the sport grow.

No shady tactics but I agree with the rest.

Even if Zuffa owners were simply trying to build up the UFC brand, they did help bring the sport up.

Yep.


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duckhuntgangsta -  Eaton, I love you brotha, but there is some in accurate infomation in your piece. Zuffa abolished Pride because they were sold a raw deal. They were supposed to retain the right to promote Pride events and continue to build the brand overseas but were Ulitmately sold Pride and then black listed from putting on events in Japan. That is why they decided to close the doors on Pride, not because of brand recognition, and it was a smart move at the time. I think you're one of the best posters on this forum but I have trouble understanding your hate for the UFC and Dana White in particular. 

 Plus, two of the bigwigs retained as consultants were suppose to comply with drug testing and background checks per the deal (Fertitta's have a gaming license therefore these things were required and non-negotiable) and then failed to cooperate. Also, no one would rent them office space in Japan, hence them closing up shop in a matter of less than a day. The suit is pending so the court documents are available to read- I think they're on the UG. Pretty good read.


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"No, MMA was sanctioned in NJ when SEG sold to Zuffa and they had run a show there one month before (11/2000)."

This is correct.  Lots of people think that Zuffa was responsbile for getting MMA sanctioned in NJ.  At one point apparenlty even Dana believed it.  Either that he was lying to the Washington Times:

“The first thing we knew we had to do was to get it sanctioned by all the major athletic commissions. We sat down with officials from Nevada and New Jersey in 2002, and we got that done."

What did he get done in NJ?


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Really well written. I don't agree with your subjective opinions, and think this might have been one of the best articles on the UFC if it was kept unbiased. However, I understand you're not a journalist, and just a fan giving his opinion. So props for the good read.

The thing I don't agree with is your perspective that UFC isn't into building superstars anymore, as it could hurt their brand. I don't think that is the case at all. The UFC has no competition. So they aren't afraid to build somebody up and then lose them. Like they did years back with Vere, Arlovski, or Sylvia.

I think they are just keeping their superstars to a manageable size through their "finish or fire" system. They want to keep a roster of about 300 fighters. So as people lose they have to be let go to make room on the roster for new people. Everyone who makes it on the roster is given the chance for superstar status, but MMA is a very tough sport to go on dominating streaks.

The casual NBA fan knows maybe 1-2 players names per team. Those are the NBA superstars. Instead of teams the UFC has entire weight divisions. I would argue that a casual MMA/UFC fan could probably name 1-2 guys from each divsion that they recognize. That would be MMA's superstars, and the only reason they aren't "treated like superstars" is because the sport isn't big enough yet. When the UFC sells out 30-50k stadiums in the USA on a consistant basis, see how much more time top MMA guys get in magazines, tmz, etc... That created public awareness. Public Awareness creates superstars, not the UFC.

That's my 2 cents on that subject.
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FRAT.. are you kidding?

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duckhuntgangsta -  Eaton, I love you brotha, but there is some in accurate infomation in your piece. Zuffa abolished Pride because they were sold a raw deal. They were supposed to retain the right to promote Pride events and continue to build the brand overseas but were Ulitmately sold Pride and then black listed from putting on events in Japan. That is why they decided to close the doors on Pride, not because of brand recognition, and it was a smart move at the time. I think you're one of the best posters on this forum but I have trouble understanding your hate for the UFC and Dana White in particular. 

 Plus, two of the bigwigs retained as consultants were suppose to comply with drug testing and background checks per the deal (Fertitta's have a gaming license therefore these things were required and non-negotiable) and then failed to cooperate. Also, no one would rent them office space in Japan, hence them closing up shop in a matter of less than a day. The suit is pending so the court documents are available to read- I think they're on the UG. Pretty good read.


Cindy
 

Why didn't Zuffa do a background check before purchasing Pride? Isn't that kind of due diligence standard operating procedure for anyone with a gaming license? I know Ed Fishman wanted to before he would purchase Pride but why would Zuffa throw money at something that was Yokuza linked without demanding to do the same?

 Dunno why things were or were not done when they made the deal. Just know what the court documents said. The compliance issues weren't the only violations to the agreement. It's a pretty good read. Run a search and you should find the documents or at least articles about them.

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Garv - "No, MMA was sanctioned in NJ when SEG sold to Zuffa and they had run a show there one month before (11/2000)."

This is correct.  Lots of people think that Zuffa was responsbile for getting MMA sanctioned in NJ.  At one point apparenlty even Dana believed it.  Either that he was lying to the Washington Times:

“The first thing we knew we had to do was to get it sanctioned by all the major athletic commissions. We sat down with officials from Nevada and New Jersey in 2002, and we got that done."

What did he get done in NJ?




Not sure what he's talking about regarding efforts in 2002 but they were part of the unification meeting held in NJ that got the rules formally etched in stone, as were other promoters.

Cindy


http://nymmanow.blogspot.com/2012_02_01_archive.html

On April 3, 2001, the NJSACB held a meeting in Trenton to discuss the regulation of mixed martial arts events. The purpose of the meeting was an attempt to unify the myriad of rules and regulations, which had been used the past by different mixed martial arts organizations in various jurisdictions. The goal was to foster the growth of the sport. At this meeting, the rules used in New Jersey since September 2000 were discussed, modified and then agreed upon by several other regulatory bodies, numerous promoters of mixed martial arts events and other interested parties in attendance. At the conclusion of the meeting, all parties in attendance were able to agree upon a uniform set of rules to govern the sport of mixed martial arts.
 
Those at this meeting were
 
Nick Lembo, NJSACB
Larry Hazzard, NJSACB
Marc Ratner, NAC-via telephone conference
Jerry Boyle, Jimmy Fox, Mike Mazzulli-Mohegan Sun and Foxwoods
Lorenzo Fertitta-UFC
John Mc Carthy-UFC
Dana White-UFC
Bernie Dillon-UFC
Hideki Yamamoto-Pride
D. Benjamin Brown-IFC
Paul Rosner-USKBA
Milt Chawsky, Esq.
Eddie Goldman-media
Dr. Edward Andujar-Vineland, NJ
Dave Sirota-Tropicana Atlantic City
 
UFC 31 was then held at the Taj Mahal on May 4, 2001. This was the first event under the agreed upon unified rules. This card was seen live on pay per view and was stacked from top to bottom. It featured BJ Penn's debut, New Jersey's Ricardo Almeida (now a NJSACB pro MMA Judge), Chuck Liddell, Randy Couture, Pat Miletich, Shonie Carter and Matt Serra.
 
While the NJSACB should be credited with sanctioning the sport, Donald Trump (Taj Mahal), Dennis Gomes (Tropicana), Dave Sirota (Tropicana) and D. Benjamin Brown (local promoter) must be credited for bringing these events to, and promoting these events, in Atlantic City casino venues, thereby giving the sport legitimacy through its venue site.
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 Well written but some of your opinon parts were a tad wacky. Still very well done, very fun read. Thanks.
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D241 -  Just to add to the Zuffa buyout of Sephomore Entertainment Group(SEG) and the questionable "happenings" around the time it wasn't being sanctioned, was bought out, then sanctioned time frame.

First off, if you say that nothing fishy happened, then you must initially take the stance that it is Pure Coincidence that UFC under SEG was failing and going bankrupt and getting it sanctioned was a last ditch effort to save it before eventually having to sell the UFC for what is now a bargain price.

Fact-Lorenzo Fertitta was a longtime board member of the Nevada state athletic comission.

Fact-There was no vote that had to be on record. This means that Bob Merywitz(SEG) claim that a vote was done doesn't mean it didn't happen, it just means there's no recorded proof. You can't prove what Bob is saying is correct, but you cannot dispute it as well.

Fact-UFC under SEG was failing financially and in order to save the company, they needed to get back on ppv, and to be allowed back on ppv, they had to be sanctioned.

UFC under SEG DID try to get sanctioned in Nevada but couldn't. UFC under Zuffa DID try to get sanctioned in Nevada, and did. The timeframe is less than 90 days from when UFC/SEG tried to get sanctioned in Nevada but couldn't, from when Zuffa bought out UFC and was able to get sanctioned.


Regardless if you think that shady tactics were used, I, being in the belief that shadyness occurred, still believe that the Fertitta brothers and that other guy nobody talks about who is part owner(not Dana White), did what they needed to to not only be in position to purchase the UFC, but have used their power to help the sport grow.

Even if Zuffa owners were simply trying to build up the UFC brand, they did help bring the sport up.

 First off, if you say that nothing fishy happened, then you must initially take the stance that it is Pure Coincidence that UFC under SEG was failing and going bankrupt and getting it sanctioned was a last ditch effort to save it before eventually having to sell the UFC for what is now a bargain price.

The UFC under SEG was sanctioned in New Jersey and in fact held a show there a month before Bob decided to sell the UFC. Sanctioning wasn't his problem at the time he decided to sell. He just couldn't bounce around and do shows wherever he wanted to like he could previously. But neither could Zuffa, which is why they had to run their first 3 shows in NJ before Nevada would finally sanction them. Per Meyrowitz in the CNBC special as well as numerous articles, he just got fed up with funding the battles SEG created via their marketing practices that got his product banned in most states and from PPV (PPV's generated the lions share of his revenue) so he got rid of it to the highest bidder. Zuffa shouldered the burden (man power and money) that he wasn't willing to and turned it around and the rest is history.

Fact-Lorenzo Fertitta was a longtime board member of the Nevada state athletic comission.

He served for 3 years before leaving to become President of Station Casinos.

Fact-There was no vote that had to be on record. This means that Bob Merywitz(SEG) claim that a vote was done doesn't mean it didn't happen, it just means there's no recorded proof. You can't prove what Bob is saying is correct, but you cannot dispute it as well.

See page 6 for the agenda and minutes for the  meeting. You can absolutely dispute what he later said.

Fact-UFC under SEG was failing financially and in order to save the company, they needed to get back on ppv, and to be allowed back on ppv, they had to be sanctioned.

No, MMA was sanctioned in NJ when SEG sold to Zuffa and they had run a show there one month before (11/2000). After Zuffa bought it, they held 3 shows before finally getting the right to broadcast events via PPV again. UFC 33 in Vegas was the first PPV event under Zuffa but it wasn't dependent on sanctioning because they were already sanctioned in NJ- so was SEG.

UFC under SEG DID try to get sanctioned in Nevada but couldn't. UFC under Zuffa DID try to get sanctioned in Nevada, and did. The timeframe is less than 90 days from when UFC/SEG tried to get sanctioned in Nevada but couldn't, from when Zuffa bought out UFC and was able to get sanctioned.

April 1999 to September 2001 is "less than 90 days"? See page 6 for documentation.

Regardless if you think that shady tactics were used, I, being in the belief that shadyness occurred, still believe that the Fertitta brothers and that other guy nobody talks about who is part owner(not Dana White), did what they needed to to not only be in position to purchase the UFC, but have used their power to help the sport grow.

No shady tactics but I agree with the rest.

Even if Zuffa owners were simply trying to build up the UFC brand, they did help bring the sport up.

Yep.


Cindy

 3 years=Long enough time to make some aquantances and friends with power. I didn't know the exact date, but I said a long time and 3 years doesn't shut that down in my opinion when you take into context what I'm stating.

The only other thing I will touch up on is that if I said they weren't sanctioned anywhere(which I don't think I said that), I didn't mean that. But for the UFC to survive and grow, NJSAC was not going to suffice. 

Again, in order to go big, they needed NSAC. 

The fact that you as a Zuffa employee took the time to try and immediately discredit what I posted only emphasizes what I said and believe more.

Anyone can say that UFC(SEG) was okay b/c it was sanctioned in NJ either doesn't know what they are talking about or are trying to deflect away that in order for the sport to be taken serious, they needed to be sanctioned in Nevada.
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simpsonaye -  EB, first off just wanted to say nice article.
Background on me, I am a NOOB. Only started watching MMA and UFC last year. I discovered the UG by finding their app on my iPhone. I am 19yo. Only ever fully watched the last season of TUF. As I said, NOOB.
The only thing I wanted to say was the only way I discovered MMA was through the UFC. I purchased UFC 1 through 10, and am slowly making my way through Pride.
So the only problem I have is that I love watching the UFC, because, I love watching MMA. It means that I can watch fights, sure the bigger the fights the better, but any fight is better then no fights. I mean maybe we are a bit saturated and the fights are getting watered down. But at the same time, I will watch any fight.
Anyway as I said, good article. Keep up the good work Eaton Phone Post
This a good post & seems like a good new fan.  He got into today's MMA, but might end up following the trend of being bored of it, I think my article sums up why it will get boring soon. 

I loved how they just cut King Mo.  A fucking great fighter that has been cut.  One less superstar.  No Rampage vs. King Mo....that was just a fight that a lot of us wanted to see really bad.  They got in that argument in the car.  God damn, you could have built an incredible event around those two.  And now the fans must suffer as I stated in the article.

How many more potential superstars will the UFC throw away because of stupid shit like a few losses (everyone loses, this thing of ours should be about Martial Arts, not a business point system based on numbers) or rape comments or racist comments or whatever .... Shit, Mike Tyson DID rape someone and DID say racist things in public - and he was the biggest and best thing in Boxing during the 90's.
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Funaki Masakatsu #1 - Words cannot describe how great of a post this is from EatonBeever. This should be ttt'ed every single day. Phone Post
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simpsonaye -  EB, first off just wanted to say nice article.
Background on me, I am a NOOB. Only started watching MMA and UFC last year. I discovered the UG by finding their app on my iPhone. I am 19yo. Only ever fully watched the last season of TUF. As I said, NOOB.
The only thing I wanted to say was the only way I discovered MMA was through the UFC. I purchased UFC 1 through 10, and am slowly making my way through Pride.
So the only problem I have is that I love watching the UFC, because, I love watching MMA. It means that I can watch fights, sure the bigger the fights the better, but any fight is better then no fights. I mean maybe we are a bit saturated and the fights are getting watered down. But at the same time, I will watch any fight.
Anyway as I said, good article. Keep up the good work Eaton <img border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;" alt="Phone Post" src="/images/phone/apple.png" />
This a good post & seems like a good new fan.  He got into today's MMA, but might end up following the trend of being bored of it, I think my article sums up why it will get boring soon. 

I loved how they just cut <b>King Mo</b>.  A fucking great fighter that has been cut.  One less superstar.  No Rampage vs. King Mo....that was just a fight that a lot of us wanted to see really bad.  They got in that argument in the car.  God damn, you could have built an incredible event around those two.  And now the fans must suffer as I stated in the article.

How many more potential superstars will the UFC throw away because of stupid shit like a few losses (everyone loses, this thing of ours should be about Martial Arts, not a business point system based on numbers) or rape comments or racist comments or whatever .... Shit, Mike Tyson DID rape someone and DID say racist things in public - and he was the biggest and best thing in Boxing during the 90's.<br type="_moz" />


You really don't want MMA to be seen as a legitimate sport, do you? You really don't want the fighters to be treated as world class athletes? They only exist to serve you and the people you deem hardcore fans? Go watch WWF.

(Before answering this question, please see my previously posted list of questions)

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Reads like a book. Good job. Wow
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 Hey Wiggum-

I thought you might think it's slightly cool or interesting that tonight over dinner I was talkin to my g/f about this thread and I mentioned you but don't want to name drop b/c he doesn't want his opinions to reflect on those of his teammates and friends.

In summary, you were a good portion of my dinner topic. I have a feeling you might turn into an awesome mma fighter and down the road you'll remember me and invite me to your UFC debut or some shit ;) 
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simpsonaye -  EB, first off just wanted to say nice article.
Background on me, I am a NOOB. Only started watching MMA and UFC last year. I discovered the UG by finding their app on my iPhone. I am 19yo. Only ever fully watched the last season of TUF. As I said, NOOB.
The only thing I wanted to say was the only way I discovered MMA was through the UFC. I purchased UFC 1 through 10, and am slowly making my way through Pride.
So the only problem I have is that I love watching the UFC, because, I love watching MMA. It means that I can watch fights, sure the bigger the fights the better, but any fight is better then no fights. I mean maybe we are a bit saturated and the fights are getting watered down. But at the same time, I will watch any fight.
Anyway as I said, good article. Keep up the good work Eaton <img border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;" alt="Phone Post" src="/images/phone/apple.png" />
This a good post & seems like a good new fan.  He got into today's MMA, but might end up following the trend of being bored of it, I think my article sums up why it will get boring soon. 

I loved how they just cut <b>King Mo</b>.  A fucking great fighter that has been cut.  One less superstar.  No Rampage vs. King Mo....that was just a fight that a lot of us wanted to see really bad.  They got in that argument in the car.  God damn, you could have built an incredible event around those two.  And now the fans must suffer as I stated in the article.

How many more potential superstars will the UFC throw away because of stupid shit like a few losses (everyone loses, this thing of ours should be about Martial Arts, not a business point system based on numbers) or rape comments or racist comments or whatever .... Shit, Mike Tyson DID rape someone and DID say racist things in public - and he was the biggest and best thing in Boxing during the 90's.<br type="_moz" />


You really don't want MMA to be seen as a legitimate sport, do you? You really don't want the fighters to be treated as world class athletes? They only exist to serve you and the people you deem hardcore fans? Go watch WWF.

(Before answering this question, please see my previously posted list of questions)



**I should add that I don't necessarily support firing Mo. It's just the reasons for or against suspending somebody shouldn't be that we are being denied a superstar.
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D241 -  Hey Wiggum-

I thought you might think it's slightly cool or interesting that tonight over dinner I was talkin to my g/f about this thread and I mentioned how there's this guy Wiggum who doesn't post much, he's been here since 03, and in the past I've told him that I know he doesn't post much but when he does, his post always stand out, whether it's his name or the content(the latter).

I told her how it is very interesting that you're only 23yrs old and so knowledgeable and that this guy Wiggum says he trains with high level wrestlers but doesn't want to name drop b/c he doesn't want his opinions to reflect on those of his teammates and friends.

In summary, you were a good portion of my dinner topic. I have a feeling you might turn into an awesome mma fighter and down the road you'll remember me and invite me to your UFC debut or some shit ;)


Much appreciated, brother. I'll keep it all in mind.

For now, I am focusing more on being a great coach and a great teacher. If my body heals up and I have and win a couple fights, we'll see where it goes.

Thanks.
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 I agree with a lot of stuff you post EB.  The one thing, and I apologize is already if already discussed, is the increased talent and skill level in mma due to guys fighting full time as professionals and drawing in some of the better natural athletes.  With this is going to come more even type matchups and I think finishes would naturally decline some.  Now, do I disagree that it's dropped more than it should. No.  Regardless, I want to watch mma where guys want the finish.  They're cognizant of the scorecards, because it doesn't happen all the time, but I hate fighting just to score.  

We see it more and more and as a fan, it's dissapointing.  I resonate with your issues with the UFC because of this.  When a guy is purely going out to outpoint another guy, I pass on that.  Put me in a chair at a local ammy event when dudes are trying to beat the fuck out of each other with 80%+ are finishes.   If you were a fan (anybody) of the Pride days, you literally watched guys try to kill each other.  Sapp powerbombing Nog, Randleman suplexing Fedor, Wand kneeing the fuck out of dudes.  These images and memories are hard to discard in place of point players.  

Anyway, agree or disagree, thanks for the write-ups.  They are fun to read.  
3/27/12 11:54 PM
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wiggum - You really don't want MMA to be seen as a legitimate sport, do you? You really don't want the fighters to be treated as world class athletes? They only exist to serve you and the people you deem hardcore fans? Go watch WWF.

Lmfao. He DOES.

He regularly pollutes this place with his WWE faggotry.

That's the main reason he so bitterly and obsessively hates the UFC because it looks and operates like a sport and not a fucking psuedo-mma/pro wrestling circus a la Pride and most JMMA promotions.

EatonCock could probably tell you more about who is "fighting" at this year's Wrestlemania than he could about who is fighting at the next UFC, Strikeforce, or Bellator.
3/28/12 12:20 AM
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damnsevern, suess, chris27, duckhuntgangsta, chuck kongo and
cindy always seem to consistently show up in threads to defend zuffa. They are coincidentally absent from threads bashing other promotions or are piling on. There's Something i just cant put my finger on.

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