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I think the expectations of the fans is just as big a problem as anything Zuffa related. Yes, im all for more stacked cards and all but i think 169 was a pretty good card. Could it have been better for SB weekend? Sure...
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I think the expectations of the fans is just as big a problem as anything Zuffa related. Yes, im all for more stacked cards and all but i think 169 was a pretty good card. Could it have been better for SB weekend? Sure...
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@ WasaB-^^^That card was so good I still haven't seen it.

One point is that they're promoting the brand instead of the fighters, SO...

Overeem/Mir - The HW match of name recogntion, fighting to NOT get cut, and it showed.

A pile of little dudes, most with no recognition by the casual fan, all fighting to not get cut.
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you werent interested in those 2 title fights? aldo? barao? faber? not saying it was the cards to end all cards but im into aldo and barao so...

are they promoting the brand over the fighters? i guess so and not that im down with that either. Mir/Overeem, fighting not to get cut? Well, would that be any diff for any 2 teams facing elimination to just win? Thats what i mean by expectations - they often overlook the realities of sports in general. Yeah, i knew Reem was holding back but couldnt really blame him with 2 straight losses. He nearly had the finish once but i didnt think he looked good enough to fight JDS but he got the W and thats what really matters.

But now we're looking out for name recognition for the casual fan? I thought its all about the real fights with the real fighters? Like Lamas...sure, again, he was a solid underdog vs Aldo but thats because everyone fighting Aldo is. And Lamas beat the snot out of Koch, the shit that counts, tapped out Swanson, beat Hioki when he was a title contender and doesnt talk smack. Do we want him to start acting like Chael and Ronda?

Like im all for some guys talking smack and making it fun but thats obviously not what its all about, right?
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Btw, if you ask me if the cards are overpriced for the talent, i would absolutely agree. But it seems like a given for the UG to whine about ...everything.

I thought this thread was more about the "real sport," stuff the hardcore ("real") fans are into so bit confused by looking out for not enough name recognition for the casual fan.
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sparkuri - @ WasaB-^^^That card was so good I still haven't seen it.

One point is that they're promoting the brand instead of the fighters, SO...

Overeem/Mir - The HW match of name recogntion, fighting to NOT get cut, and it showed.

A pile of little dudes, most with no recognition by the casual fan, all fighting to not get cut.

exactly

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Wasa-B - I think the expectations of the fans is just as big a problem as anything Zuffa related. Yes, im all for more stacked cards and all but i think 169 was a pretty good card. Could it have been better for SB weekend? Sure...
 
 

That's what I was comparing it to.

Compared to other ppv cards, no complaints.

But UFC before the superbowl is what New Years Eve shows were to Pride.

As I pointed out above, UFC ALWAYS puts on the best fights they can the day before the superbowl. 

UFC 2014 is making more money than ever more than likely, correct?

169 had the 2nd biggest payroll of all superbowl UFC shows, and this was the best they could come up with?

I don't think so. 

 

If you rank the 10 UFC superbowl cards, 169 is arguably #10 or #9 at best.

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Wasa-B - you werent interested in those 2 title fights? aldo? barao? faber? not saying it was the cards to end all cards but im into aldo and barao so...

are they promoting the brand over the fighters? i guess so and not that im down with that either. Mir/Overeem, fighting not to get cut? Well, would that be any diff for any 2 teams facing elimination to just win? Thats what i mean by expectations - they often overlook the realities of sports in general. Yeah, i knew Reem was holding back but couldnt really blame him with 2 straight losses. He nearly had the finish once but i didnt think he looked good enough to fight JDS but he got the W and thats what really matters.

But now we're looking out for name recognition for the casual fan? I thought its all about the real fights with the real fighters? Like Lamas...sure, again, he was a solid underdog vs Aldo but thats because everyone fighting Aldo is. And Lamas beat the snot out of Koch, the shit that counts, tapped out Swanson, beat Hioki when he was a title contender and doesnt talk smack. Do we want him to start acting like Chael and Ronda?

Like im all for some guys talking smack and making it fun but thats obviously not what its all about, right?

As far as the title fights, sure, I like those guys. But I liked them on WEC for free. No way in hell this monopoly is gonna make me move from my living room, or pay to see it.
I'd much rather see Wand vs. Cung pt.2,3,4,and 5.

It's not that we're overlooking the realities of the sport, so much as pointing out that's not the way fans envisioned "support the sport" when we were doing so.
We did it with the idea we were supporting an organization that was going to set itself apart from boxing and WWE.
Instead, we get boxing regs. and a WWE figurehead.

I obviously do not accept the elimination mentality. The UFC seems to, and it's added to the degradation of the UFC organization. But it's made sure to keep a figure here and there to keep interest up for hardcores. The Wandy's and Lytles of the world, ect., those now being Hunt, Wandy, Chael, ect.

I actually do not care about the belts one bit, not at all.

Regarding name recognition for casuals, that would be me at the moment, because I have no fucking clue who half these midgets are.
They all look the same, talk the same and fight the same. The same shit over and over and over.
It's hard to care if I can't differentiate these guys. 50 baby Brazilians, 10 Japanese, 50 Caucasians, 10 Russians, ect., but there is no "show", there is no grandiose, there is no tournament, there is no vested interest.
Just rinse and repeat.
There's more care given to corporate sponsorship than the fighters right after a 3 round battle.
Shit, remember when Cro Cop had to take the mic Pride style?
That was dope.

Fighters now are coming off the assembly line, and all Zuffa cares about is putting together a card that "will fly" for the rest of eternity, and manufacture interest at the last moment and sponsor Corn nuts and beer to get the post teen crowd drunk enough to think they're getting something cool.

Meanwhile, the fighters are all broke, have their images signed away, along with most of their futures.
And propaganda has worked so well that now fans care about what's best for business. It's friggin nuts to me.

I don't care who won Frye/Tank, because everybody won.

Dana says "leave it in the ring" , then Zuffa cuts guys who did; guys we wanna see again.

Anyway, the card sucked, glad I didn't waste 3 hours and $ on it.
Thankfully Moose/Machida is free.
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Wasa-B - you werent interested in those 2 title fights? aldo? barao? faber? not saying it was the cards to end all cards but im into aldo and barao so...

are they promoting the brand over the fighters? i guess so and not that im down with that either. Mir/Overeem, fighting not to get cut? Well, would that be any diff for any 2 teams facing elimination to just win? Thats what i mean by expectations - they often overlook the realities of sports in general. Yeah, i knew Reem was holding back but couldnt really blame him with 2 straight losses. He nearly had the finish once but i didnt think he looked good enough to fight JDS but he got the W and thats what really matters.

But now we're looking out for name recognition for the casual fan? I thought its all about the real fights with the real fighters? Like Lamas...sure, again, he was a solid underdog vs Aldo but thats because everyone fighting Aldo is. And Lamas beat the snot out of Koch, the shit that counts, tapped out Swanson, beat Hioki when he was a title contender and doesnt talk smack. Do we want him to start acting like Chael and Ronda?

Like im all for some guys talking smack and making it fun but thats obviously not what its all about, right?

As far as the title fights, sure, I like those guys. But I liked them on WEC for free. No way in hell this monopoly is gonna make me move from my living room, or pay to see it.
I'd much rather see Wand vs. Cung pt.2,3,4,and 5.

It's not that we're overlooking the realities of the sport, so much as pointing out that's not the way fans envisioned "support the sport" when we were doing so.
We did it with the idea we were supporting an organization that was going to set itself apart from boxing and WWE.
Instead, we get boxing regs. and a WWE figurehead.

I obviously do not accept the elimination mentality. The UFC seems to, and it's added to the degradation of the UFC organization. But it's made sure to keep a figure here and there to keep interest up for hardcores. The Wandy's and Lytles of the world, ect., those now being Hunt, Wandy, Chael, ect.

I actually do not care about the belts one bit, not at all.

Regarding name recognition for casuals, that would be me at the moment, because I have no fucking clue who half these midgets are.
They all look the same, talk the same and fight the same. The same shit over and over and over.
It's hard to care if I can't differentiate these guys. 50 baby Brazilians, 10 Japanese, 50 Caucasians, 10 Russians, ect., but there is no "show", there is no grandiose, there is no tournament, there is no vested interest.
Just rinse and repeat.
There's more care given to corporate sponsorship than the fighters right after a 3 round battle.
Shit, remember when Cro Cop had to take the mic Pride style?
That was dope.

Fighters now are coming off the assembly line, and all Zuffa cares about is putting together a card that "will fly" for the rest of eternity, and manufacture interest at the last moment and sponsor Corn nuts and beer to get the post teen crowd drunk enough to think they're getting something cool.

Meanwhile, the fighters are all broke, have their images signed away, along with most of their futures.
And propaganda has worked so well that now fans care about what's best for business. It's friggin nuts to me.

I don't care who won Frye/Tank, because everybody won.

Dana says "leave it in the ring" , then Zuffa cuts guys who did; guys we wanna see again.

Anyway, the card sucked, glad I didn't waste 3 hours and $ on it.
Thankfully Moose/Machida is free.

This is an unbelievable amazing post by sparkuri.  I couldn't have said it better... "Rinse & Repeat". 

Everyone fights the same, looks the same, acts the same, same ole crap each and every UFC event.  You can't tell any of them apart. 

 

Great Post, sparkuri

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Agreed. Great post by Sparkuri. Instead of Hunt, Wandy, and Chael, I'd say Hunt, Wandy, Nick Diaz, Robbie Lawler, Bj Penn.

 

Other than that spot on.  We'd never see Dana try to rebuttle that either. It's truth. Sad truth.

 

I can't help but wonder if me being at the end of UFC's demographic is b/c UFC recognizes older people tend to see bullshit more, or if the sport has changed so much that it's lost so much luster that I find myself caring less and less.

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Thanks EB and D241.

Regarding the demographic it's just the general demographic.

Kids, life, money, bullshit all figures in.

WHAT THEY DON'T GET is that this has never been done before in history.
MMA/NHB is so awesome that demographic should be aimed toward about 60 years old.
We've got the money, the brains, the historical knowledge, AND THE INFLUENCE.

They ought to listen, kick Dana out, and put us all in a think tank to save mma.


I'll be watching MMA till I croak.
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*And thanks G.I.T.M.! :-)
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So I guess you were joking when you made the comment

 

"ufc 169 was so good I haven't even watched it yet"?

 

lol

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You know, as much as I miss Pride and the old days, i think you guys are looking back with golden colored eyes and elevating it to something greater than it was. Nostalgia does that. And to mention Tank/Frye then talk about how you couldnt be bothered to watch 169 is a perfect example of the contradiction i see or how i dont understand what you want. 169 had a huge barn burner bomb throwing back and forth brawl with Trujillo and Varner. It was fun and unexpected to see Trujillo turn the tide as he was almost finished but i was there to see the 2 title fights with 4 of the best guys in the sport (2 great champs against 2 legit #1 contenders). 

Thats what im into the sport for. Yeah, i miss Saku, Fedor, CC, Wand, etc, etc...but theres Aldo, Barao, Weidman, Jones, Hendricks, Cain, JDS, Mighty Mouse, Jacare, Machida and the list goes on.  And I also believe that you guys are wiping out the memories of boring decisions from Pride and thinking every fight ended with something spectactular.  I dont want sports entertainment. I want the best of MMA. Boring contests happen in the top levels of sport. Thats what i mean by overlooking the reality of sport period. Fedor's top rivalry fights and fights that he is most known for ended with decisions in Pride....but I didnt care...i just wanted to see what would happen between Fedor and Nog and CC just like I want to see what happens against the best guys now.

"As far as the title fights, sure, I like those guys. But I liked them on WEC for free. No way in hell this monopoly is gonna make me move from my living room, or pay to see it."

  • WEC was free? Maybe diff here in Canada but Aldo and Barao are as good and exciting as any fighters out there, ever. In terms of excitement, so is Faber. Aldo sure is fighting more measured but that's what happens often to athletes when they get older, smarter, more experienced and when everyone is gunning for them as the champ. But Barao is fighting or is getting the results that Aldo used to in the WEC. Barao is absolutely as good and exciting as any fighter ever - right now.
  • I have no beefs to say that for a SB card, it wasnt all that. I actually dont remember how good/bad the SB cards were to be honest. I just go from card to card.
"They all look the same, talk the same and fight the same. The same shit over and over and over. t's hard to care if I can't differentiate these guys. 50 baby Brazilians, 10 Japanese, 50 Caucasians, 10 Russians, ect., but there is no "show", there is no grandiose, there is no tournament, there is no vested interest.
Just rinse and repeat."
  • Ok....im with you in the blandness or sameness of many of the fighters but as much as i like colorful personalities, im in this for the best level of MMA first and foremost. And it just happens that the American wrestler from their mid-West or wherever happens to be the most successful type of fighter base. Boring as that may be, are we in this for personality or the actual game? As far as fight the same, to an extent, yes but its not 95 no more. This was inevitable with the level of the sport developing. Do we want mismatches and guys that arent very good or want to watch the best of the best? Lack of diversity? Well, the Russians are coming in now, not Zuffa's fault the Japanese suck shit now, Koreans are coming up also, would be nice to get some more Cubans....
  • Im with you though on the lack of the grandiose and tournaments. But Pride was legitimately accused of putting more emphasis on pageantry than the actual level of all the fighters.  Thats what im talking about with this nostalgia business. The mismatches and other shit are being glossed over by these nostalgic eyes. Yes, i miss the GPs like fuck but "vested interest" is quite subjective.
"There's more care given to corporate sponsorship than the fighters right after a 3 round battle.
Shit, remember when Cro Cop had to take the mic Pride style?
That was dope. Meanwhile, the fighters are all broke, have their images signed away, along with most of their futures. And propaganda has worked so well that now fans care about what's best for business."
  • Yeah that was dope when CC did that. Yeah, i agree with the corporate nature of the business taking over. Im no Dana fan. I recognize this shit but i also think you guys are perhaps too jaded now and willing to overlook things just to keep complaining. Tank/Frye? Again, you just had the crazy Varner/Trujillo fight but that "card sucked." Nevermind Aldo and Baro and Faber and Lamas being on it fighting at the very top level of the game.....they dont talk enough smack and dont brawl enough?
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"Dana says "leave it in the ring" , then Zuffa cuts guys who did; guys we wanna see again."

  • Btw, who are we talking about above? Doubt we're talking about Okami and Fitch, yeah?
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sparkuri - Thanks EB and D241.

Regarding the demographic it's just the general demographic.

Kids, life, money, bullshit all figures in.

WHAT THEY DON'T GET is that this has never been done before in history.
MMA/NHB is so awesome that demographic should be aimed toward about 60 years old.
We've got the money, the brains, the historical knowledge, AND THE INFLUENCE.

They ought to listen, kick Dana out, and put us all in a think tank to save mma.


I'll be watching MMA till I croak.

We are the minority, homie. This is the most obvious part we should be agreeing on.
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Wasa-B

To disprove you, I started to make a  "Last 10 Pride cards vs last 10 UFC" thread.

Halfway through google chrome shut down, WASTING my time erasing my work.

 

At first I was going to compare last 10 Pride to last 10 UFC shows, but I thought that wasn't fair as UFC had many free shows.

 

So, do me a favor since I won't make a thread you can at least humor me with your honest opinion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Pride_FC_events

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_UFC_events

Starting with Pride FC Total Elimination Absolute(#59), and compare that to UFC 160(#262)

Then Pride Bushido Survival compared to UFC 161, etc....

 

You will notice

#1.Pride showed more fights on their ppv cards than UFC shows which is about 5-6 fights on the ppv

#2. Pride cards were filled with bigger stars and fights compared to UFC only having their last 3 fights on the ppv having named fighters and/or big fights

 

UFC has given back to the fans by giving more free shows, but UFC also is taking away excitement by using 1 to 2 fights per card to sell the ppv, instead of stacking a card from top to bottom.

 

Sure Pride had some mismatches and boring fights, but compared to UFC, they had more stars, and more big fights per card.  If you're a paying fan, you should get more bang for your buck imo.

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i stopped comparing Pride and UFC a while back. They are 2 different things. Both awesome in their own regards. I miss Pride FC. I also miss stacked UFC cards. I sometimes barely know half the fighters on the main card. I couldnt tell you the entire main card of any of the upcomming events. Not being able to follow religiously is leaving me feel disconnected and in consequence less interested. I will always watch MMA though, just not as a no life hard core anymore. 

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In the midst of this frat, eaton beever talks shit about Frankie not finishing any fights, and doesn't go back to edit it since he left it at Edgar vs Maynard 2. Frankie did infact knock Gray out cold in the 3rd fight. The credibility of your article goes for shit again when you talk about the Condit/Diaz fight and call Carlos a boring point fighter when in fact at the time of that fight he had an mma record of 27 wins, 5 losses with only ONE of those wins being a decision. Gtfo, the rest of your little essay was all anti Dana propaganda.

The very guy you bash and hate so much is the ONLY reason you watch mixed martial arts. Without Dana White there is no UFC on a global scale of where it is at today. Nobody would give a rats ass about mma in North America and nobody would be making a good living doing it. Phone Post 3.0
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EatonBeever - 
sparkuri - 
Wasa-B - you werent interested in those 2 title fights? aldo? barao? faber? not saying it was the cards to end all cards but im into aldo and barao so...

are they promoting the brand over the fighters? i guess so and not that im down with that either. Mir/Overeem, fighting not to get cut? Well, would that be any diff for any 2 teams facing elimination to just win? Thats what i mean by expectations - they often overlook the realities of sports in general. Yeah, i knew Reem was holding back but couldnt really blame him with 2 straight losses. He nearly had the finish once but i didnt think he looked good enough to fight JDS but he got the W and thats what really matters.

But now we're looking out for name recognition for the casual fan? I thought its all about the real fights with the real fighters? Like Lamas...sure, again, he was a solid underdog vs Aldo but thats because everyone fighting Aldo is. And Lamas beat the snot out of Koch, the shit that counts, tapped out Swanson, beat Hioki when he was a title contender and doesnt talk smack. Do we want him to start acting like Chael and Ronda?

Like im all for some guys talking smack and making it fun but thats obviously not what its all about, right?

As far as the title fights, sure, I like those guys. But I liked them on WEC for free. No way in hell this monopoly is gonna make me move from my living room, or pay to see it.
I'd much rather see Wand vs. Cung pt.2,3,4,and 5.

It's not that we're overlooking the realities of the sport, so much as pointing out that's not the way fans envisioned "support the sport" when we were doing so.
We did it with the idea we were supporting an organization that was going to set itself apart from boxing and WWE.
Instead, we get boxing regs. and a WWE figurehead.

I obviously do not accept the elimination mentality. The UFC seems to, and it's added to the degradation of the UFC organization. But it's made sure to keep a figure here and there to keep interest up for hardcores. The Wandy's and Lytles of the world, ect., those now being Hunt, Wandy, Chael, ect.

I actually do not care about the belts one bit, not at all.

Regarding name recognition for casuals, that would be me at the moment, because I have no fucking clue who half these midgets are.
They all look the same, talk the same and fight the same. The same shit over and over and over.
It's hard to care if I can't differentiate these guys. 50 baby Brazilians, 10 Japanese, 50 Caucasians, 10 Russians, ect., but there is no "show", there is no grandiose, there is no tournament, there is no vested interest.
Just rinse and repeat.
There's more care given to corporate sponsorship than the fighters right after a 3 round battle.
Shit, remember when Cro Cop had to take the mic Pride style?
That was dope.

Fighters now are coming off the assembly line, and all Zuffa cares about is putting together a card that "will fly" for the rest of eternity, and manufacture interest at the last moment and sponsor Corn nuts and beer to get the post teen crowd drunk enough to think they're getting something cool.

Meanwhile, the fighters are all broke, have their images signed away, along with most of their futures.
And propaganda has worked so well that now fans care about what's best for business. It's friggin nuts to me.

I don't care who won Frye/Tank, because everybody won.

Dana says "leave it in the ring" , then Zuffa cuts guys who did; guys we wanna see again.

Anyway, the card sucked, glad I didn't waste 3 hours and $ on it.
Thankfully Moose/Machida is free.

This is an unbelievable amazing post by sparkuri.  I couldn't have said it better... "Rinse & Repeat". 

Everyone fights the same, looks the same, acts the same, same ole crap each and every UFC event.  You can't tell any of them apart. 

 

Great Post, sparkuri


Sparkuri laying down the truth!!!

I agree completely with him and Eaton.

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MDubz - In the midst of this frat, eaton beever talks shit about Frankie not finishing any fights, and doesn't go back to edit it since he left it at Edgar vs Maynard 2. Frankie did infact knock Gray out cold in the 3rd fight. The credibility of your article goes for shit again when you talk about the Condit/Diaz fight and call Carlos a boring point fighter when in fact at the time of that fight he had an mma record of 27 wins, 5 losses with only ONE of those wins being a decision. Gtfo, the rest of your little essay was all anti Dana propaganda.

The very guy you bash and hate so much is the ONLY reason you watch mixed martial arts. Without Dana White there is no UFC on a global scale of where it is at today. Nobody would give a rats ass about mma in North America and nobody would be making a good living doing it. Phone Post 3.0

Fair points.

Except the UFC succeeded IN SPITE of Dana, not because of him. TUF saved it and he was against TUF.
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Go look at the main events for UFC 6 and 7 and tell me how exciting it always was.

 

also lol@ eaton comparing pride shows from 7 years ago. How about you compare it to 168. 9 out of 11 fights were finishes. Had name recognition out the wazoo. As good as any pride event ever and yes I've pretty much seen them all.

most of this is just wishing mma in general would go back to the old days.  It's over, enjoy the memories. You see as the sport progresses top contenders are getting more and more well rounded. These guys are fucking tough to finish. So not every fight will end in a finish or be awesome.  Yes there are way more guys to keep track of, goes with expansion and legitimacy. 

You also make sweeping generalizations about zuffas profitability timing. You have no idea when they hit the black again. 

 

And yes, zuffa may care heavily about sponsors. Like every pro sport! Urlacher gets fined 100k for wearing the wrong hat to a press conference. The Olympics are on right now, filled with marketing.

 

is there ANY pro sport where the athletes are bigger than the league?

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Great reading material. I had always kinda kept an eye on this thread every time I saw it, enjoyed reading the opinions set forth, but never really commented... but now I'm in late, lol. This thread was always a hell of a read, to say the least. Phone Post 3.0
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Wasa-B - you werent interested in those 2 title fights? aldo? barao? faber? not saying it was the cards to end all cards but im into aldo and barao so...

are they promoting the brand over the fighters? i guess so and not that im down with that either. Mir/Overeem, fighting not to get cut? Well, would that be any diff for any 2 teams facing elimination to just win? Thats what i mean by expectations - they often overlook the realities of sports in general. Yeah, i knew Reem was holding back but couldnt really blame him with 2 straight losses. He nearly had the finish once but i didnt think he looked good enough to fight JDS but he got the W and thats what really matters.

But now we're looking out for name recognition for the casual fan? I thought its all about the real fights with the real fighters? Like Lamas...sure, again, he was a solid underdog vs Aldo but thats because everyone fighting Aldo is. And Lamas beat the snot out of Koch, the shit that counts, tapped out Swanson, beat Hioki when he was a title contender and doesnt talk smack. Do we want him to start acting like Chael and Ronda?

Like im all for some guys talking smack and making it fun but thats obviously not what its all about, right?

As far as the title fights, sure, I like those guys. But I liked them on WEC for free. No way in hell this monopoly is gonna make me move from my living room, or pay to see it.
I'd much rather see Wand vs. Cung pt.2,3,4,and 5.

It's not that we're overlooking the realities of the sport, so much as pointing out that's not the way fans envisioned "support the sport" when we were doing so.
We did it with the idea we were supporting an organization that was going to set itself apart from boxing and WWE.
Instead, we get boxing regs. and a WWE figurehead.

I obviously do not accept the elimination mentality. The UFC seems to, and it's added to the degradation of the UFC organization. But it's made sure to keep a figure here and there to keep interest up for hardcores. The Wandy's and Lytles of the world, ect., those now being Hunt, Wandy, Chael, ect.

I actually do not care about the belts one bit, not at all.

Regarding name recognition for casuals, that would be me at the moment, because I have no fucking clue who half these midgets are.
They all look the same, talk the same and fight the same. The same shit over and over and over.
It's hard to care if I can't differentiate these guys. 50 baby Brazilians, 10 Japanese, 50 Caucasians, 10 Russians, ect., but there is no "show", there is no grandiose, there is no tournament, there is no vested interest.
Just rinse and repeat.
There's more care given to corporate sponsorship than the fighters right after a 3 round battle.
Shit, remember when Cro Cop had to take the mic Pride style?
That was dope.

Fighters now are coming off the assembly line, and all Zuffa cares about is putting together a card that "will fly" for the rest of eternity, and manufacture interest at the last moment and sponsor Corn nuts and beer to get the post teen crowd drunk enough to think they're getting something cool.

Meanwhile, the fighters are all broke, have their images signed away, along with most of their futures.
And propaganda has worked so well that now fans care about what's best for business. It's friggin nuts to me.

I don't care who won Frye/Tank, because everybody won.

Dana says "leave it in the ring" , then Zuffa cuts guys who did; guys we wanna see again.

Anyway, the card sucked, glad I didn't waste 3 hours and $ on it.
Thankfully Moose/Machida is free.
Amazing post. Sums up where I'm at as a fan perfectly. Phone Post 3.0
2/10/14 1:31 PM
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To disprove you, I started to make a  "Last 10 Pride cards vs last 10 UFC" thread.

Halfway through google chrome shut down, WASTING my time erasing my work.

 

At first I was going to compare last 10 Pride to last 10 UFC shows, but I thought that wasn't fair as UFC had many free shows.

 

So, do me a favor since I won't make a thread you can at least humor me with your honest opinion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Pride_FC_events

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_UFC_events

Starting with Pride FC Total Elimination Absolute(#59), and compare that to UFC 160(#262)

Then Pride Bushido Survival compared to UFC 161, etc....

 

You will notice

#1.Pride showed more fights on their ppv cards than UFC shows which is about 5-6 fights on the ppv

#2. Pride cards were filled with bigger stars and fights compared to UFC only having their last 3 fights on the ppv having named fighters and/or big fights

 

UFC has given back to the fans by giving more free shows, but UFC also is taking away excitement by using 1 to 2 fights per card to sell the ppv, instead of stacking a card from top to bottom.

 

Sure Pride had some mismatches and boring fights, but compared to UFC, they had more stars, and more big fights per card.  If you're a paying fan, you should get more bang for your buck imo.


You'd only disprove me if i thought that the quality of UFC cards today were better than Pride's were. I never said that and im pretty sure i agreed with you guys on the Pride stacked cards thing above and always have. Thats not my point. Its not exactly an apples to apples situation imo but i still still some value in bringing that up too because sure id like to see more depth per card, sure id like to see a GP. If you guys put that to a vote or poll, show me were to sign. Its just im not willing to boycott the UFC or have this Fck That Police attitude towards Zuffa because they dont.

At least you acknowlegde that every single match in Pride wasnt a top talent mind bending occasion like some make it out to be.

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