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3/27/12 3:25 PM
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yup.
i read the whole damn thing :)

there are a couple logistical issues i have with it (less shows but better fighter pay) but all in all i'm with you 'Beave.

the fighting not to lose instead of win. non-promotion of superstars. competition elimination. the how and why of the current staleness of affairs in MMA (or UFC, if you prefer :))

nice breakdown.

everyone else can flame me for it but i agree with damn near everything E.B. wrote.

definitly contained some personal vitreol but that doesn't make him wrong.

thanks again Eaton!
3/27/12 3:27 PM
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donkypunch55 - yup.
i read the whole damn thing :)

there are a couple logistical issues i have with it (less shows but better fighter pay) but all in all i'm with you 'Beave.

the fighting not to lose instead of win. non-promotion of superstars. competition elimination. the how and why of the current staleness of affairs in MMA (or UFC, if you prefer :))

nice breakdown.

everyone else can flame me for it but i agree with damn near everything E.B. wrote.


definitly contained some personal vitreol but that doesn't make him wrong.

thanks again Eaton!

 Thanks donkypunch! 
3/27/12 3:30 PM
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EATON - amazing analysis. Thank you for keeping this forum worth visiting!

my favorite part is when you discuss the difference between 'Credible fighters' and 'Superstars'.

QUESTION:

Do you think Chael Sonnen is the UFC's biggest Superstar, and if not who is? What has the UFC done or not done to create the Chael Sonnen we know today, and where does he fit into the UFC business model?
3/27/12 3:33 PM
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 Interesting, isn't it ?
Suprised this hasn't been deleted by mods. Mr. Whipple's "facts" on the matter withstanding.
This is Zuffa folks.
Whoever buys that "Zuffa saved mma" bullshit has just been served.

I'd have taken an SEG run UFC over a Zuffa run UFC any day.

As long as I didn't post anything about Dana White's Mother's book, they shouldnt delete this :)

SEG UFC > Current UFC, all day , everyday !!!   LOL @ Zuffa 'saving' mma.  UFC was never bought and UFC folded, the sport would just go to another promotion and most likely be better than it is today, possibly to Strikeforce with Scott Coker.
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 BIG VTFU EB. You're the best contributor and hardest worker on this forum PERIOD.
Although I find it funny every time I go to vote you up my computer restarts.
Same thing when I try to vote down a mod.
WTF is up with that ?

Must've have something to do with those conjured up VU's DS got every month to make him a mod.
Although I like him much better now that he's gone to Fraser mod school .(tm)
So much more MMAcorrectness.

The UG wants a recount !       EatonBeever for Mod !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
3/27/12 3:34 PM
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EatonBeever -  Thanks donkypunch! 



no worries bro.

keep your hands up and your chin down :)
3/27/12 3:35 PM
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 hardest working?  that's definitely possible.  this looks like about 10+ hours of work to start this single thread hating on the UFC and, for some odd reason, DamnSevern.
3/27/12 3:36 PM
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 And when speaking about Zuffa and Mod's, never accidently punch in the "b" key after the "Mo" keys.
You'll find yourself re-routed to Sherdog permanently.
(Or matbattle)
3/27/12 3:43 PM
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overEZ - EATON - amazing analysis. Thank you for keeping this forum worth visiting!

my favorite part is when you discuss the difference between 'Credible fighters' and 'Superstars'.

QUESTION:

Do you think Chael Sonnen is the UFC's biggest Superstar, and if not who is? What has the UFC done or not done to create the Chael Sonnen we know today, and where does he fit into the UFC business model?

 Chael is a superstar because of Chael.  He promotes himself better than Zuffa ever could.  You could make BANK off of Sonnen.  And the reason we have Anderson / Sonnen 2 is not because they promoting superstars, its because Sonnen is good enough to make himself not only a superstar, but credibile top ranked fighter as well so thats how is able to get his 'title shot'.  The reason why that fight is going to be big is because of the drama inside the cage from the first fight.  With rematches, at least there is some kind of substance & historical value to the fight, even if the UFC doesn't mean to give it value.  So the first fight really provides a lot of context for the rematch because of Chael, not anything to do with UFC marketing machine...

Brock WAS UFC biggest superstar.  But now he's gone, I'd say GSP, Bones, Diaz, Sonnen, and Anderson are probably the biggest superstars.  Hard to say who, but if I'm going by PPV buyrates, then GSP is the biggest superstar the UFC currently has.  And he's going against Condit over Diaz ?  Because Condit won by points in a Diaz fight ?  What garbage.  The word 'martial arts' now means nothing.  They should just call it Zuffa Sport Point Fighting Championship.



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sparkuri -  BIG VTFU EB. You're the best contributor and hardest worker on this forum PERIOD.
Although I find it funny every time I go to vote you up my computer restarts.
Same thing when I try to vote down a mod.
WTF is up with that ?

Must've have something to do with those conjured up VU's DS got every month to make him a mod.
Although I like him much better now that he's gone to Fraser mod school .(tm)
So much more MMAcorrectness.

The UG wants a recount !       EatonBeever for Mod !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LOL, thanks sparkuri ! 

In a very Pro-Zuffa forum, I don't think you'll ever be seeing me as a Mod any time soon.  I don't think I fit their profile. But I appreciate the hardest working comment. 
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overEZ - EATON - amazing analysis. Thank you for keeping this forum worth visiting!

my favorite part is when you discuss the difference between 'Credible fighters' and 'Superstars'.

QUESTION:

Do you think Chael Sonnen is the UFC's biggest Superstar, and if not who is? What has the UFC done or not done to create the Chael Sonnen we know today, and where does he fit into the UFC business model?

 I'd like to field this question.

The UFC's biggest superstar is Dana White, followed way, way back by Anderson Silva, George St.Pierre, Brock Lesnar(still) and then maybe Chael Sonnen.
The Chael Sonnen of today has been created by Chael Sonnen, on Chael Sonnen's night, on Chael Sonnen's mic, on Chael Sonnen's channel...........interviewed by Chael.
How does he fit into the business model ???
However TF he wants.
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overEZ - EATON - amazing analysis. Thank you for keeping this forum worth visiting!

my favorite part is when you discuss the difference between 'Credible fighters' and 'Superstars'.

QUESTION:

Do you think Chael Sonnen is the UFC's biggest Superstar, and if not who is? What has the UFC done or not done to create the Chael Sonnen we know today, and where does he fit into the UFC business model?

 I'd like to field this question.

The UFC's biggest superstar is Dana White, followed way, way back by Anderson Silva, George St.Pierre, Brock Lesnar(still) and then maybe Chael Sonnen.
The Chael Sonnen of today has been created by Chael Sonnen, on Chael Sonnen's night, on Chael Sonnen's mic, on Chael Sonnen's channel...........interviewed by Chael.
How does he fit into the business model ???
However TF he wants.


If he were a real star TUF numbers wouldn't be so poor.

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EatonBeever - 
sparkuri -
 Interesting, isn't it ?
Suprised this hasn't been deleted by mods. Mr. Whipple's "facts" on the matter withstanding.
This is Zuffa folks.
Whoever buys that "Zuffa saved mma" bullshit has just been served.

I'd have taken an SEG run UFC over a Zuffa run UFC any day.

As long as I didn't post anything about Dana White's Mother's book, they shouldnt delete this :)

SEG UFC > Current UFC, all day , everyday !!!   LOL @ Zuffa 'saving' mma.  UFC was never bought and UFC folded, the sport would just go to another promotion and most likely be better than it is today, possibly to Strikeforce with Scott Coker.<br type="_moz" />


LOL if you actually believe that.

Yeah if Zuffa didnt buy the ufc and lose money at first and did TUF and got on Spike someone else would have just come along and did it, like its no big deal.

I know you're just a zuffa hatter, its pretty clear reading your posts/threads that you are and you say shit nad toll to get a reaction and thats cool but I'd like to see you try and explain that comment.

That someone else would have come in and blew the sport up like Coker and SF? LOL. that if the UFC went under all those years ago someone else would have built it up and actually made it better than it is today.

R U serious man? I can understand being a Zuffa hater, not liking what they do, being a Pride fanboy, thinking they do some things wrong and you dont like this or that and you'd change this but to say if they didnt do it someone else would have and done a better job is pretty funny.
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Sorry Chris27, I can't read your posts anymore.  I have you on ignore....  Sorry man, but your noob comments are pointless to argue when you lack the knowledge & history of MMA.
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overEZ - EATON - amazing analysis. Thank you for keeping this forum worth visiting!

my favorite part is when you discuss the difference between 'Credible fighters' and 'Superstars'.

QUESTION:

Do you think Chael Sonnen is the UFC's biggest Superstar, and if not who is? What has the UFC done or not done to create the Chael Sonnen we know today, and where does he fit into the UFC business model?

 I'd like to field this question.

The UFC's biggest superstar is Dana White, followed way, way back by Anderson Silva, George St.Pierre, Brock Lesnar(still) and then maybe Chael Sonnen.
The Chael Sonnen of today has been created by Chael Sonnen, on Chael Sonnen's night, on Chael Sonnen's mic, on Chael Sonnen's channel...........interviewed by Chael.
How does he fit into the business model ???
However TF he wants.


If he were a real star TUF numbers wouldn't be so poor.


 Without him, they'd be.....
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 I am getting a lot of great PMs !   Thanks guys for the comments !  I'm getting requests for PDF format.   I will look into putting it on PDF format and throwing out there via emails for everyone.
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Howard Liu - Great write up EatonBeever! I have just a couple of things to add to your tome that the newer MMA/UFC fan may not be aware of.

2.) The sale of the UFC from SEG to ZUFFA was a very ugly episode that foretold how the new owners really operated. Once the cable ban was lifted, SEG tried to get the UFC legitimate in the eyes of the sporting mainstream. The best way to do this was to get sanctioned in Nevada, where Boxing settled in many decades ago. The Nevada State Athletic Commission denied SEG a license to operate there. One of the Commissioner's that voted against SEG was......LORENZO FERTITA. Without sanctioning, SEG UFC was dead in the water, and put up for sale. Immediately Lorenzo Fertita and Mark Keizer resigned as Nevada State Athletic Commissioners.


 No.

Cindy

<div id="stream_head" class="grid_12 stream stream-head no-updates "><h1 id="stream_title" class="inside nofuc">Zuffa seeks retraction of statements by former UFC owner</h1></div><p class="byline" id="byline-postrender">By <a href="http://www.mmafighting.com/authors/amcmillan">MMA Fighting</a> - <span class="author-title">Author</span></p><p class="social-spoken">Follow <a href="http://www.twitter.com/MMAFighting" class="sbn-twitter-link">@MMAFighting on Twitter</a>, and Like <a href="http://www.facebook.com/mmafighting">MMA Fighting on Facebook.</a></p>Zuffa, the parent company of the <a href="http://www.mmafighting.com/category/ufc/" class="injectedLink">UFC</a>, has formally requested that CNBC air a retraction concerning "misstatements and inaccuracies" regarding the Zuffa Owners' purchase of the UFC brand and Lorenzo Fertitta's conduct as an NSAC commissioner.

CNBC recently aired a documentary entitled "Ultimate Fighting: From Blood Sport to Big Time" featuring an interview with Robert Meyrowitz regarding his role as President of Semaphore Entertainment Group (SEG), predecessor-in-interest to the Ultimate Fighting Championship brand.

When discussing SEG's need to obtain Nevada State Athletic Commission approval for mixed martial arts prior to selling the brand to Zuffa, LLC in January 2001, Meyrowitz stated:

"We went out there [to Nevada], it looked like we had the votes, we were told we did, and about midnight I got a phone call that one of the commissioners had changed his mind? and it turns out that commissioner was Lorenzo Fertitta, that he had changed his mind and that we wouldn't be able to get approval."

According to UFC President <a href="http://www.mmafighting.com/tag/Dana+White/" class="injectedLink">Dana White</a>, Zuffa immediately challenged the false claims made by Meyrowitz and proof of the misstatements prompted CNBC to correct the content of the program in subsequent re-airings.

While appreciative of the networks efforts to ensure the accuracy of the encore presentations, Zuffa has informed CNBC this action alone is not adequate to address the detrimental effect of the fabricated and erroneous information contained in the original broadcast.

A copy of the document requesting the retraction was recently obtained by <a href="http://www.mmafighting.com/" class="injectedLink">MMAFighting.com</a> and the key elements are as follows:

1. False comments made by Mr. Meyrowitz pertaining to the sale of the UFC brand by SEG to Zuffa strongly imply that Lorenzo Fertitta attempted to improperly use his regulatory authority as a member of the NSAC to doom SEG's efforts to obtain NSAC approval of <a href="http://www.mmafighting.com/" class="injectedLink">MMA</a>.

2. The average member of CNBC's viewing audience would be tempted or even encouraged by Mr. Meyrowitz's false statements to believe that Lorenzo Fertitta sought to exploit his NSAC position for personal gain.

3. Mr. Meyrowitz is fully aware that no one ever called and told him Lorenzo Fertitta had changed his "vote" ? even had there been such a vote.

4. If any "midnight call" was received by Mr. Meyrowitz in reference to the hearing, it was not regarding any pending approval of MMA in Nevada and it certainly was not from Lorenzo Fertitta himself, any other member of the NSAC or other source authorized to speak on the NSAC's behalf.

5. Mr. Meyrowitz also gave an inaccurate portrayal to CNBC of how the Zuffa owners first contacted SEG regarding the possible purchase of the UFC brand by claiming that he first received a phone call from Dana White in which Mr. White stated "I have somebody who wants to buy this, you'll never guess who? I said give me one guess? Lorenzo Fertitta? he said 'how'd you guess? I said 'call me lucky.'"

6. Mr. Meyrowitz attempts to demonstrate a sinister motive by falsely stating that the same commissioner that voted against MMA's approval subsequently tried to approach SEG through a third party to acquire the UFC brand.

7. This description of events relating to Zuffa's purchase of the UFC assets from SEG aired on CNBC are inaccurate and Mr. Meyrowitz knows full well, at a much later date, months after resigning from the NSAC to pursue his new role as President of Station Casinos, Inc., Lorenzo Fertitta contacted Mr. Meyrowitz directly after learning that Mr. Meyrowitz was interested in selling a controlling interest in the UFC assets.

8. CNBC's editing of the false statements made by Mr. Meyrowitz are in such a way as it appears that Lorenzo Fertitta "voted" against Mr. Meyrowitz and immediately thereafter had Dana White call Mr. Meyrowitz to indicate that Lorenzo Fertitta wanted to buy the UFC assets. Such editing portrayed to CNBC's viewers that Lorenzo Fertitta abused his governmental position to obtain a private advantage-an impression that could not be further from the truth.

9. Eighteen months transpired between the NSAC public meeting and the time Lorenzo Fertitta spoke to Mr. Meyrowitz about the purchase of the UFC assets.

10. Mr. Meyrowitz's claim that the purpose of the (April 1999) meeting was to vote for the approval of MMA by the NSAC is false.

(part 2) 



I was following this as it was happening, with tons of articles and interviews and what not. It did not happen exactly as Bob said it did, but there was some funny/shady shit that went on with it. If you do not believe that, your very naive.

 So was I, so why don't you post your supporting documentation like I did? Do you have something better than the agenda and minutes from the meeting 12 years ago?

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DamnSevern - did I ever say I'm not a fan of overeem?
whos bandwagon am I on?
did I say overeem was going to beat jds (because im on alistairs bandwagon)

but with you...if I told you I was goign to pick jds, you'd call me a shill, if I pick overeem you will call me a bandwagoner.  

I haven't even commented on who I thought will win.

lol




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DamnSevern - did I ever say I'm not a fan of overeem?
whos bandwagon am I on?
did I say overeem was going to beat jds (because im on alistairs bandwagon)

but with you...if I told you I was goign to pick jds, you'd call me a shill, if I pick overeem you will call me a bandwagoner.  

I haven't even commented on who I thought will win.
lol
I'm going to call you a bandwagoner & shill regardless of who you think is going to win.  Your taking the Dana White TUF 10 approach of Kimbo....The "Well, since hes sign with UFC - then HE'S REALLY IMPRESSING ME!!!" ...  haha.   

You got Santos, DS ?  Dont be afraid of what people will think of you, youre just a screen name.  Why worry about what I'm going to call you ?  Why care what I think ?  I'm just a historian of the sport....

I put all my opinions out there and get critized all the time.  I don't really fear people disliking me.  I enjoy the heat from the new fans.  I think its entertaining.  We post on forums to get our opinions out there and have people read what we type, if not - then why post at all ? ?

I'm picking Alistair Overeem.
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he could've fought a high level wrestler in any other org and I would have said the same thing.  You're reaching

do you realize you're almost as vindictive as dfw?

you will shit on one of the ug goats (caposa) just to get a point across

you have much in common with the man you hate so much.
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overEZ - EATON - amazing analysis. Thank you for keeping this forum worth visiting!

my favorite part is when you discuss the difference between 'Credible fighters' and 'Superstars'.

QUESTION:

Do you think Chael Sonnen is the UFC's biggest Superstar, and if not who is? What has the UFC done or not done to create the Chael Sonnen we know today, and where does he fit into the UFC business model?

 I'd like to field this question.

The UFC's biggest superstar is Dana White, followed way, way back by Anderson Silva, George St.Pierre, Brock Lesnar(still) and then maybe Chael Sonnen.
The Chael Sonnen of today has been created by Chael Sonnen, on Chael Sonnen's night, on Chael Sonnen's mic, on Chael Sonnen's channel...........interviewed by Chael.
How does he fit into the business model ???
However TF he wants.


If he were a real star TUF numbers wouldn't be so poor.


 Without him, they'd be.....
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I was a fan before Zuffa bought it, so i have to disagree.


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DamnSevern - he could've fought a high level wrestler in any other org and I would have said the same thing.  You're reaching

do you realize you're almost as vindictive as dfw?

you will shit on one of the ug goats (caposa) just to get a point across

you have much in common with the man you hate so much.

 Avoiding the question....WHO DO YOU PICK - ALISTAIR OR SANTOS , DamnSevern ?!?!?!? 

Oh no!!  You're torn, arent you ?  Do you stick to your guns and claim Alistair is overrated or you going to jump ship because he's signed with UFC ?   Come on noob.... pick it.


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 The question is of no importance.  Did I even pick brock to beat overeem? 
 
What does it matter who I pick?  

I haven't even given it much thought, but I'll let you know when I do



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