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3/29/12 12:57 AM
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Earlier this week, in a moment of truly unethical business rivalry, Brazil's R7 Network released names of four members of the Brazilian version of TUF that they claim are the finalists (the shows are taped previously). R7 Networks had competed with and lost the rights to air TUF to Bazilian media giant OGlobo.

Given the sport's history of false stories, the legitimacy of the names is up for some debate, but UFC President Dana White expressed outrage calling it crazy, dirty, dirty (again), and finally "Josh Gross dirty type shit."

White's remarks refer to then Sherdog.com Editor in Chief Josh Gross revealing the names of the TUF 4 finalists, which aired in 2006. Relations between Gross/Sherdog and the UFC head had not been genial previously, and worsened from there.

Now Gross has come on the Underground, and discusses is decision in an exchanged with several forum members.

Youabsolutelysuck
Doubt that's really josh gross

Josh Gross
I'm using my 74th post on this. Scoreboard, my friend -- "Member Since: 1/1/01."

Edelweiss
Josh, I was reading a thread about this incident and nobody knew the details about one of the specifics -- did you disclose the finalists before or after the UFC took away Sherdog's media priveleges?

Josh Gross
After. But then they got them back and lost them again. Too hard to keep track. All MMA media outlets lost access before UFC 55. I still don't know why. Some got back in, some didn't.

Great read by Joe Hall (who went on to supplant me as editor of Sherdog) on the history of the site, including the credential stuff: http://www.fightmagazine.com/mma-magazine/mma-article.asp?aid=285&issid=21

PeterIrl
Why did you release the info?

Josh Gross
It was news. Season 4 winners got title fights, which meant much more than a game show contract. This was crowning No. 1 contenders. I had the names of the four guys that would compete for two title shots. I was also conscious many people would not want to know, so I reported it on a podcast and warned people to turn down the volume.

Read entire thread...


3/29/12 12:58 AM
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3/29/12 1:00 AM
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 Dirthy motherfuckers 

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and now my comment makes no sense
3/29/12 1:06 AM
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That's pretty messed up, hopefully I don't run into that information anytime soon.
3/29/12 1:26 AM
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 Gross released the finalists for the TUF comeback show, not the first season.
3/29/12 1:27 AM
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Actually, it was Season 4 that I reported the finalists.

Thanks,
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Josh Gross - Actually, it was Season 4 that I reported the finalists.

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Lol my man Phone Post
3/29/12 1:28 AM
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Unwanted spoilerd do suck, but I just can't imagine how the hell would it hurt the contestants.
3/29/12 1:32 AM
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Josh Gross - Actually, it was Season 4 that I reported the finalists.

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JG

 Josh, I was reading a thread about this incedent and nobody knew the details about one of the specifics -- did you disclose the finalists before or after the UFC took away Sherdog's media priveleges?
3/29/12 1:43 AM
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Josh Gross - Actually, it was Season 4 that I reported the finalists.

Thanks,
JG

 Josh, I was reading a thread about this incedent and nobody knew the details about one of the specifics -- did you disclose the finalists before or after the UFC took away Sherdog's media priveleges?


After. But then they got them back and lost them again. Too hard to keep track. All MMA media outlets lost access before UFC 55. I still don't know why. Some got back in, some didn't.

Great read by Joe Hall (who went on to supplant me as editor of Sherdog) on the history of the site, including the credential stuff: http://www.fightmagazine.com/mma-magazine/mma-article.asp?aid=285&issid=21
3/29/12 1:45 AM
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I'm using my 74th post on this. Scoreboard, my friend -- "Member Since: 1/1/01."

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3/29/12 1:51 AM
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Josh Gross - Actually, it was Season 4 that I reported the finalists.

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Why did you release the info?
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pretty cool to see JG posting. you should post more often.

and now can you finally admit UG > Sherdog ? ;) Phone Post
3/29/12 2:12 AM
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Josh Gross - Actually, it was Season 4 that I reported the finalists.

Thanks,
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Why did you release the info?


It was news. Season 4 winners got title fights, which meant much more than a game show contract. This was crowning No. 1 contenders. I had the names of the four guys that would compete for two title shots. I was also conscious many people would not want to know, so I reported it on a podcast and warned people to turn down the volume.

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Josh Gross - 
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Josh Gross - Actually, it was Season 4 that I reported the finalists.

Thanks,
JG

 Josh, I was reading a thread about this incedent and nobody knew the details about one of the specifics -- did you disclose the finalists before or after the UFC took away Sherdog's media priveleges?


After. But then they got them back and lost them again. Too hard to keep track. All MMA media outlets lost access before UFC 55. I still don't know why. Some got back in, some didn't.

Great read by Joe Hall (who went on to supplant me as editor of Sherdog) on the history of the site, including the credential stuff: http://www.fightmagazine.com/mma-magazine/mma-article.asp?aid=285&issid=21
Okay. I can settle that arguement now. Thank you for taking the time to respond to me. Also, thank you for that link. It sounds like and interesting read.
 
3/29/12 2:36 AM
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Josh Gross - Actually, it was Season 4 that I reported the finalists.

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Why did you release the info?


It was news. Season 4 winners got title fights, which meant much more than a game show contract. This was crowning No. 1 contenders. I had the names of the four guys that would compete for two title shots. I was also conscious many people would not want to know, so I reported it on a podcast and warned people to turn down the volume.




Still a bitch move, IMHO. Don't use that podcast BS as an excuse. You knew the word would get out. Sour grapes, so you ruined it for the fans. A lot of people thought a season of vets was a waste, but it was the one I looked forward to the most as I like many love a good come back story, so thanks for ruining it for me. Dick.
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Mma journalism .... LMAO! Phone Post
3/29/12 2:49 AM
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I will spoil it for everybody right now..









The Brazilian guy ends up winning it..






sorry for the shocking spoiler =]
3/29/12 3:08 AM
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 Dana needs to get over it already.
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Josh Gross - Actually, it was Season 4 that I reported the finalists.

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Why did you release the info?


It was news. Season 4 winners got title fights, which meant much more than a game show contract. This was crowning No. 1 contenders. I had the names of the four guys that would compete for two title shots. I was also conscious many people would not want to know, so I reported it on a podcast and warned people to turn down the volume.



Any remorse that you ruined it(the season) for lots of mma fans?
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 why not?
3/29/12 5:18 AM
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Josh Gross, I've always felt like you had to know you'd be blacklisted by Dana for leaking the info. Seeing you here in this thread now I'd love the chance to have you answer a few questions.

I'm curious as to what you thought at the time of the risk/reward of reporting this NEWS, when you had released the fighters' names.

It just seems that you shot yourself in the foot by doing so.

Your thoughts?

Also, this Brazil TUF leak, it's obviously akin to your story and has brought you back into the picture. Now that it's years later, what do you say to the guys who leaked this years' finalists? I guess the straight to the point question would be, would you have reported it again had you not been blacklisted the first time? Phone Post
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shot himself in the foot? do you not know where he's worked since then? lol

Dana's rant and the resulting shit is precisely why he got recognized. hate it or not, he should send dana a shitty thank you card :)
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Good to see you posting on here Josh. Ive been a fan of yours since the beatdown days and have always enjoyed your take on mma.

Keep fighting the good fight!

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