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4/8/12 11:53 AM
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ryanJ -  Of course the final accountaibility for the loss comes down to the fighter, but if the cornerman holds no accountability for their performance they should be fired simply because they are uneccessary. 

I hold all the accountability for my finances, but if I hire someone to give me financial advice and I take a big loss, I am probably going to get rid of them, even though the utlimate blame goes to me and my execution of their plan might have played in to the poor results. If for no other reason, I need to feel confident in the advice I am getting.

 This is not a sound anaology. If your advisor told you to "itemize your taxes and include all charitable donatations" and you listed every dollar you gave over the last twenty years and then got pissed at this person because you got audited that would be a little more accurate. 

Thiago knows how to do a take down. The fact that he executed it so poorly make it look like he recieved bad advice. If he loked sharp getting Martin to the groud no one would be having this conversation.


4/8/12 2:06 PM
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I am not taking up for Alves, but listening to your corner is what you are supposed to do. They shout out instructions they think is in your best interest. Sometimes good, in this case OFF THE CHARTS BAD.
4/8/12 3:13 PM
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I thought the same thing at first because it did seem out of character for Thiago. It was also a lazy poorly executed TD. 
4/8/12 5:49 PM
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sim - the cornerman's defense, he didn't say "go for a double and leave yourself open to the guillotine". He just said "takedown" that could have meant a single leg or get a bodylock. Maybe they knew Kampann was rocked was going to have a hard time defending a takedown and they wanted Alves to stay on top and get the safe win? It's not like Alves' coach told him to go for a leglock on Pahlares. Kampmann does have good guillotines though

That's almost like blaming your coach for telling you to throw a left hook and the guy slips the punch, counters and knocks you out.

Ummmmmm not like that at all! Actually its exactly what it was . . . ALves CLEARLY geting the better of nearly all the Standup exchanges, and his corner screaming at him for a takedown on a guy that is better on the ground than him with 1 minute left!!!! It WAS shitty advise, and your analogy is total shit!!

This is pretty simple. Alves doesnt trust his advise(and rightfully so) So he would prefer someone else! What is wrong with that, and y would anyone have a prob with that Dec???


Alves got caught, it happens. Obviously Kampmann caught him with a guillotine but the last time Alves got tapped was 7 years ago against Spencer Fisher. He's no slouch on the ground. He's fought Hughes, GSP and Karo on the ground and wasn't submitted. Yea, he didn't shoot on them but it just shows that Alves knows how to grapple. He was taking his opponent down in his last fight and no one was complaining then and if I'm not mistaken Alves got rocked early in the first round against kampmann so he wasn't winning every exchange.

I agree 100% that it would have made more sense for him to finish the fight standing instead of trying to take him down but if Alves successfully finished the takedown and landed some nice ground and pound to end the fight, I wouldn't have thought it was a bad idea either. On the other hand, if a bjj guy with decent striking had a gameplan to trade with a really good striker and ended up knocking him out, I would have said good job but it probably wasn't the smartest gameplan even though you came out with the win.

I don't think there's anything wrong with his decision. If he doesn't feel comfortable with his cornerman then by all means he should let him go. I'm just saying the cornerman isn't probably as bad as everyone is making him out to be. My point is that sometimes coaches get too much blame for a fighter's loss.
4/8/12 5:52 PM
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 I'd really like to see Alves switch up his camp. No disrespect to ATT as they are worldly in terms of training and what they offer to their fighters, but I always wonder what would happen if Alves ventured out of his comfort zone.

RoufusSport comes to mind...
4/8/12 6:01 PM
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Find the trigger! keep him at your range and fire at the trigger!
4/8/12 6:05 PM
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4/8/12 6:39 PM
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4/8/12 7:21 PM
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if he'd have taken him down properly he'd have been fine - Alves is an idiot

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