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“As a clean fighter, the whole issue of performance enhancing drugs in MMA really pisses me off. This sport is about honor, technique and discipline,” Florian said in the interview segment.

The heart of the matter for Florian comes down to the fact that fighters are cheating and trying to win in an unfair manner, and that’s not good for anybody.

“As a fighter, if you use PEDs, how does it feel good knowing that you won using them? Don’t do it, dummies!” Florian shouted.

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4/10/12 5:41 PM
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Lol @ florian to not be smart enough to do what everyone else is Phone Post
4/10/12 5:48 PM
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...but what if you want to be a UFC champion?
4/10/12 5:59 PM
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Yeah well his brother in MMA really pisses me off.. not too fond of all those title shots either.. what's next 135?

 

4/10/12 6:01 PM
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Filbert - How long will it take Dana to just ban all PED? It's not that hard to require monthly or bi-weekly tests. I say no TRT, no anything. Low testosterone levels? Sorry, don't fight then. Why is that so complicated? Phone Post
Dana doesn't control shit. You don't know what you're talking about. The athletic commissions do the tests!

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4/10/12 6:02 PM
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they should stop taking PED's and drop down a couple of weight classes. that's the real way to prove your a man.

4/10/12 6:18 PM
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Is HGH a PED?
4/10/12 6:21 PM
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Without PEDs, only those born with special genes would be at the top level. PEDs make things more fair
4/10/12 6:29 PM
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Jesus, does this mean he is getting another title shot?
4/10/12 6:50 PM
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tkdjr1186 - Lol @ florian to not be smart enough to do what everyone else is <img src="/images/phone/apple.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>


Lol @ you for being too dense not to understand it's a matter of character for Kenny, not lack of intelligence. People without a moral compass and solid character aren't capable of understanding this. My guess is that you have a look of utter confusion on your face at this moment.
4/10/12 7:05 PM
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Lol @ you for being too dense not to understand it's a matter of character for Kenny, not lack of intelligence. People without a moral compass and solid character aren't capable of understanding this. My guess is that you have a look of utter confusion on your face at this moment.
Lol @ you being Kenny's white knight. I don't support PEDs in the sport and I'm sure he knows people and is friends with plenty of users. Didn't he train with Marquart in Canada with GSP?

He doesn't needs to come out with this statement for us to know its bad. It's a water is wet statement. Phone Post
4/10/12 7:09 PM
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Filbert - @tkdjr1186 - no shit a**hole, that doesn't mean that the UFC can't implement their own rules and testing, does it? Or rather, contract with a neutral agency to test all of their fighters, whether they are fighting or not, multiple times a year. That is what they would do if they really didn't want people using PEDs in the UFC. Phone Post
They would have done this by now if they cared. Fact is these guys take the PEDs for injury recovery, these guys would be out much longer and it would affect the cards. My thought is they don't encourage it but if it promotes their stars getting healthier faster they turn a blind eye until someone fails a test.

Basically hurt fighters = less money
Less money = Dana no likey

Not saying it should be allowed but I bet you this plays a hand in it. Phone Post
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Filbert - wufwugy - i don't think you know what you are talking about. Virtually all of the PEDs used by MMA fighters are to heal quicker or maybe cut weight - something that genes don't control. <img src="/images/phone/apple.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>



So your assertion is that genes play no factor in the effectiveness of an individual's immune response or protein synthesis? That some people don't naturally recover better than others? I'm not agreeing that PEDs are ok because they even the playing field, but that's just silly.
4/10/12 7:28 PM
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 Florian getting title shots on PPV really pisses me off too.
4/10/12 7:56 PM
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I only pay $55 like twice a month to watch this sport. Why in the world would I want them to perform better? This is so stupid. They should all be allowed to use whatever the hell they want. It's high time we started facing facts. All these guys use PEDs. Are we to believe Kenny doesn't use anything to enhance his performance? I'm sure he ingests hundreds of dollars in supplements every week. Phone Post
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And this is why he hasn't won a tittle match yet... Jk lol Phone Post
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Filbert - wufwugy - i don't think you know what you are talking about. Virtually all of the PEDs used by MMA fighters are to heal quicker or maybe cut weight - something that genes don't control. <img src="/images/phone/apple.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>

Those two things are absolutely controlled by genes

Even among those who understand the powerful role of genetics in athletics actually vastly underestimate them. A no-PED world is a world where only those with fantastic genes succeed. PEDs aren't the answer here, but they certainly do not make things more unfair. If they shift the fairness dynamic, it would be by making it more fair, but that's all a red herring

What really matters is that PEDs are necessities if we want the kind of big, strong, fast, technical, and frequent intense combat we salivate for. Fans blame the athletes, when they should instead blame themselves for not understanding that they're trying to have it both ways by demanding things of athletes that they need PEDs in order to get
4/10/12 9:01 PM
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 Sean Sherk was juicing when he beat Ken Flo, just didn't get caught.  Ken Flo would've been defending the title against BJ Penn and would've only held it for a short time anyways.  
4/10/12 9:17 PM
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Most of Florian's friends are on gear.
4/10/12 9:35 PM
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Lol @ you for being too dense not to understand it's a matter of character for Kenny, not lack of intelligence. People without a moral compass and solid character aren't capable of understanding this. My guess is that you have a look of utter confusion on your face at this moment.
Lol @ you being Kenny's white knight. I don't support PEDs in the sport and I'm sure he knows people and is friends with plenty of users. Didn't he train with Marquart in Canada with GSP? <br><br>He doesn't needs to come out with this statement for us to know its bad. It's a water is wet statement. <img src="/images/phone/apple.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>


All of which has nothing to do with your original point and my response to that point. You claimed that Kenny simply was not smart enough to use PEDs. I responded that his decision had nothing to do with how smart he is, but rather it was a personal ethical choice. Which seems pretty obvious. Btw, calling someone a who holds a stricter moral code than you a 'white knight' is fucking empty and retarded middle school shit. Do you really see this as making some kind of a substantive point? I hope not. Join the adult world.
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wahh... get over it...
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Lol @ you for being too dense not to understand it's a matter of character for Kenny, not lack of intelligence. People without a moral compass and solid character aren't capable of understanding this. My guess is that you have a look of utter confusion on your face at this moment.
Lol @ you being Kenny's white knight. I don't support PEDs in the sport and I'm sure he knows people and is friends with plenty of users. Didn't he train with Marquart in Canada with GSP? <br><br>He doesn't needs to come out with this statement for us to know its bad. It's a water is wet statement. <img src="/images/phone/apple.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>


All of which has nothing to do with your original point and my response to that point. You claimed that Kenny simply was not smart enough to use PEDs. I responded that his decision had nothing to do with how smart he is, but rather it was a personal ethical choice. Which seems pretty obvious. Btw, calling someone a who holds a stricter moral code than you a 'white knight' is fucking empty and retarded middle school shit. Do you really see this as making some kind of a substantive point? I hope not. Join the adult world.
It's called a joke asshat. Internet is serious business to you isn't it? Phone Post
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you wont like him when hes pissed off... this is the part where if i had paid id put a picture of the hulk throwing a bear, if only...
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Hey Kenny , you know what really pisses me off , your subpar championship performances. CHOKER!!
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Filbert - wufwugy - i don't think you know what you are talking about. Virtually all of the PEDs used by MMA fighters are to heal quicker or maybe cut weight - something that genes don't control. <img src="/images/phone/apple.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>

Those two things are absolutely controlled by genes

Even among those who understand the powerful role of genetics in athletics actually vastly underestimate them. A no-PED world is a world where only those with fantastic genes succeed. PEDs aren't the answer here, but they certainly do not make things more unfair. If they shift the fairness dynamic, it would be by making it more fair, but that's all a red herring

What really matters is that PEDs are necessities if we want the kind of big, strong, fast, technical, and frequent intense combat we salivate for. Fans blame the athletes, when they should instead blame themselves for not understanding that they're trying to have it both ways by demanding things of athletes that they need PEDs in order to get



sorry, I can't follow your logic.

Some guys have superior genes so they perform better.
"other" guys take PED to rise to the same level as guys with great genes.

What do the "other" guys do when the superior guys take PEDS as well?

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