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4/13/12 3:48 PM
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Just 26 and with a creditable — if unexceptional — pedigree in amateur wrestling, Nick Newell is not so fearsome that professional fighters should cower. Yet the list of fighters who have canceled or rejected bouts with him is about two dozen long, and the reason is clear: it can be difficult to persuade able-bodied athletes to fight a man with one hand.

Newell is among the fighters known as adaptive athletes pursuing MMA. Previously relegated to the red-light district of sports culture, MMA has gained mainstream prominence and become a test of toughness embraced by amputees who relish the challenge of modifying the sport’s techniques and surprising those who stereotype them as victims.

“Sometimes an amputation or disability will actually get people to strive to become more than they might otherwise be,” said Jeff Traub, an orthopedist in Atlanta who has worked with amputee fighters. “The amputation has led them to think, Why can’t I do this? It gives them motivation to do more.”

Such ambition has confounded state athletic commissions, the sanctioning bodies that regulate prizefighting and license its participants. In MMA, where even the veterans are frequently pummeled or choked, how do you evaluate the capabilities of a fighter missing part of an arm or leg?

Last August, the Association of Boxing Commissions held its annual conference in Washington. Among the items on the agenda for the first time: dealing with the amputee prizefighter.

“We were starting to hear of quite a few states that were running across the issue,” said Tim Lueckenhoff, president of the association. “Commissioners need to decide — are we putting the fighter in a situation where they could be harmed?”

Dr. Margaret E. Goodman, a former chief ringside physician for Nevada, said in an e-mail: “If they have a medical condition that places them at a disadvantage, then they should not be granted a license to compete. The question is whether or not Mr. Newell adequately circumvents his disadvantage.”

So far, the answer seems to be yes. In six professional bouts, Newell, who does not have a left hand, has rarely been hit or even troubled by opponents. He is scheduled to fight Friday night in Jackson, Tenn., against Chris Coggins, the first opponent in Newell’s pro career with a winning record.

To compensate for his lack of left-handed boxing technique and incomplete defense, Newell focuses heavily on footwork with his trainer Jeremy Libiszewski, working to evade strikes rather than block them. “He cuts angles, punches and gets out,” Libiszewski said.

A congenital amputee, Newell’s left arm ends about three inches past the elbow, which gives him a handhold to complete submissions uniquely difficult to escape. “If he gets you in a choke,” Libiszewski said, you’re in trouble.

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4/13/12 4:50 PM
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Hell yeah Nick!   Grew up in the same town.   
4/13/12 6:20 PM
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EpicConfessions - Lose/Lose for the guy he'd be fighting.

exactly.

I don't agree with them fighting either unless it's against someone else physically disadvantaged. We have special olympics, maybe we should have special MMA :)
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 This guy is amazing.  For anyone that has seen his last fights, he's a real talent and a tremendous role model.  The guy's hot, intelligent and has a tremedous work ethic.  I'll pay to see him fight.  Anytime, anywhere.
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exactly.

I don't agree with them fighting either unless it's against someone else physically disadvantaged. We have special olympics, maybe we should have special MMA :)


Totally disagree. He has proven he can compete with a non handicapped person. So he should be able to. If you think he can't compete then beat him out of the sport or stfu. As long as he keeps winning and finishing ( all his fights he has finished ), then why shouldn't he be able to fight in the same org as anyone else. He is obviously good enough.

I train at the same gym with Nick Newell and for anyone doubting, he is legit and as mentally tough as they come he is a test for anyone at 155.
4/13/12 7:38 PM
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Humphrey and Epic how is it lose lose? Basically you two are saying you're both pansies? Phone Post
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I would bet this guy would rather take a legit ass whooping than have guys duck out. It's a lose/lose for the sport when other people define him by his disability and don't take the fight. He just wants a fight.
4/13/12 7:52 PM
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Why is he a "handicapped guy"? He's a fucking MMA fighter. Karo suffered from almost debilitating anxiety. Isn't that a serious handicap that would impact his performace? So why wasn't he a "handicapped guy"? Oh, I get it- because you couldn't SEE his issues.

Fuck you and everyone who thinks like you and big ups to Nick who won't be limited except by the small-minded.
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EpicConfessions - Lose/Lose for the guy he'd be fighting.
Very true.

I have a lot of respect for him an u guys who trane w him can root for him ad day he can hang w anyone but at the end of the day...

Nobody is gonna step up and fight him. Do u want to see someone beat on a guy w one arm or leg ?

And If he should lose....

Much respect to these guys but just looking at it from the fighters perspective. Phone Post
4/13/12 8:07 PM
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Maybe that's how the world works for a guy who spends his time creating a website about getting head from his mother-in-law. Not for many of us. People with disbilities often limit themselves. Not this guy. He spends his time in the gym developing skills he can use in a fight. He deserves to showcase it.
4/13/12 8:27 PM
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c hurrle - Maybe that's how the world works for a guy who spends his time creating a website about getting head from his mother-in-law. Not for many of us. People with disbilities often limit themselves. Not this guy. He spends his time in the gym developing skills he can use in a fight. He deserves to showcase it.
Dude just like I have never fought a amputee.

You have never got head from my mother in law.

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Again, you are being ignorant and defining him by his disability. If someone beats him, they didn't "beat a one armed man", they won an MMA fight against a qualified and trained fighter. If someone loses to him, they didn't "lose to a disabled guy", they got beat by another fighter. And in case you haven't paid attention, that happens to half the guys that fight.

He's not mentally retarded and unable to comprehend the implications of what happens in the ring. He understands and wants to compete.

I understand that you and those like you think there's shame in winning or losing to a guy like him. That's just because your ego is fragile.
4/13/12 8:29 PM
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c hurrle - Again, you are being ignorant and defining him by his disability. If someone beats him, they didn't "beat a one armed man", they won an MMA fight against a qualified and trained fighter. If someone loses to him, they didn't "lose to a disabled guy", they got beat by another fighter. And in case you haven't paid attention, that happens to half the guys that fight.

He's not mentally retarded and unable to comprehend the implications of what happens in the ring. He understands and wants to compete.

I understand that you and those like you think there's shame in winning or losing to a guy like him. That's just because your ego is fragile.
Ok by your logic what if it was a female fighter with same credentials. Phone Post
4/13/12 8:49 PM
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I've trained with Nick. All around good guy and a great representative for the sport. Dudes stromg as hell too. I dont see what the big deal is. He signs his contract, makes weight and fights like anyone else. It isnt lije pre fight hes approaching his opponent like hey I have 1 arm take it easy on me. Phone Post
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St1rno12 - Humphrey and Epic how is it lose lose? Basically you two are saying you're both pansies? Phone Post
rocket science for dummies.
EpicConfessions - Win = You beat a handicapped guy way to go = Lose

Lose = You lost to a handicapped guy way to go = Lose

Summary = Lose/Lose
 
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cripplersc - I've trained with Nick. All around good guy and a great representative for the sport. Dudes stromg as hell too. I dont see what the big deal is. He signs his contract, makes weight and fights like anyone else. It isnt lije pre fight hes approaching his opponent like hey I have 1 arm take it easy on me. Phone Post
Besting a guy with one arm does nothing for your career Phone Post
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The guy is legit....his lack of a hand actually worked as an advantage in the fight I saw.

The only place I think he has a disadvantage is in stand up, although his wrestling skills may negate that a bit.
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If you have never seen him fight I understand the lose lose situation. Once you watch nick you realize he's no joke. No difference between him and any other fighter with the exception he has a great finishing rate and almost never leaves the first round. It's like saying I don't want to fight someone with a worse record because if I beat them I should and if I lose I just got beat by someone with a bad record. Stfu fighting is about honor and if there's anyone you wanna duck or refuse to fight get out of the game. The only reason to not fight someone is if your not ready to step up in competition. Phone Post
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Nick has been with me since white belt now he is a brown belt, and i could tell u this i train with black belts that dont give me the match he does. If someone beats nick that dude needs respect cause Nick is one tuff bad ass mother fucker. I dont see Nick as handicap he has LEGIT MMA skills and could beat anyone on any giving night and i mean ANYONE including UFC fighters. Im not talking up a friend or a student nicks fight do all the talking. This kid is for REAL so its not a lose lose if u beat nick if u do u deserve to be in a big show cause Nick is on that level. Make sure you guys watch HDNet tonight at 10 to see what im talking about.
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ACalandrelli - Nick has been with me since white belt now he is a brown belt, and i could tell u this i train with black belts that dont give me the match he does. If someone beats nick that dude needs respect cause Nick is one tuff bad ass mother fucker. I dont see Nick as handicap he has LEGIT MMA skills and could beat anyone on any giving night and i mean ANYONE including UFC fighters. Im not talking up a friend or a student nicks fight do all the talking. This kid is for REAL so its not a lose lose if u beat nick if u do u deserve to be in a big show cause Nick is on that level. Make sure you guys watch HDNet tonight at 10 to see what im talking about.


Is it that fight where he fell back into a heel hook (I think).

He hit that soooo fast! Like I said, his lack of a hand enables him to hit it way way faster than a normal person.

It was just freaky! The poor guy barely had a chance to tap.
4/13/12 9:37 PM
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I've known Nick for a few years now. He is actually one of the top lightweights in new england, I believe ranked 5th or sixth. He routinely submits some pretty well known guys in the gym as well. Why should the six opponents that didn't make it one round with him be allowed to compete but not Nick? If someones ego can't handle being beat by a "disabled" fighter tough shit. And if you win you didn't beat some gimp, but an undefeated 6-0 opponent that will move you up the rankings. If the arm chair quarterbacks banging on their keyboards and drunks in the stands don't respect you for it who cares.
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Well it sounds like there is a dozen guys that are in here who have trained with him and say how good he is.

So why does he have a issue getting a fight? U guys rep him but not enough to be a stepping stone for him ? Phone Post
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cripplersc - I've trained with Nick. All around good guy and a great representative for the sport. Dudes stromg as hell too. I dont see what the big deal is. He signs his contract, makes weight and fights like anyone else. It isnt lije pre fight hes approaching his opponent like hey I have 1 arm take it easy on me. <img src="/images/phone/droid.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>


Sapp vs Kimbo = No way! It's a freak show fight!! Shouldn't happen!

Amputee vs regular guy = perfectly normal fight! Why would you complain?!


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It's an unfortunate situation but matches need to be even, it's the whole nature of fighting.

The legless should fight the legless, armless the armless and so fourth.

The legless shouldn't be fighting the armless, for obvious reasons.
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My logic never addressed sex. Your intentional misinterpretation of my logic would also say that I'm against weight classes. Don't insult your own intelligence with stupid arguments like that.

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