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4/13/12 11:37 PM
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I would like to read this later... Phone Post
4/13/12 11:41 PM
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4/13/12 11:54 PM
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4/14/12 12:02 AM
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In for the lulzzzz

Just remember the last one did not go so well! Phone Post
4/14/12 12:08 AM
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Man whats up with jax jj as of late. Kidjitsu masters,new fake BB showing up around town, instructors who dont roll or even show up to teach.

The drive down to Cardellas in St augustine is looking better every day.
4/14/12 12:13 AM
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 It's actually pretty funny part of the warm ups are calf raises. 
4/14/12 12:15 AM
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4/14/12 12:20 AM
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Not to be that guy, but be aware that there IS a legit Dave Lang out of Florida... I don't know anything about this situation, but I do know that the Lang we all know and love is based out of NY state.

I feel for anyone involved in BJJ who shares the Lang name, let alone having the same first name.
4/14/12 12:30 AM
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I am going to post the information that I have dug up. I will include links to the information and explain how I cam across it.

First, I needed the name of the BB (FBB?) or the school. To find it I read the thread posted by OP over at florida fighters (http://floridafighter.com/index.php?topic=354.0) . After reading post 6 I googled for America Martial Arts Academy + Jacksonvill FL. This led me to two different websites for the company. First the "new" .com for America Martial arts:
http://www.americamartialarts.info/

Interesting notes on that site:
Claims to be NAGA accredited school (http://www.americamartialarts.info/combat_brazilian_jiu-jitsu - SEE GRAPHIC ON RIGHT)
Belted at least one person to Blue
(http://www.americamartialarts.info/school_fighters)
Site uses a mix of BJJ and what they call "combat" BJJ. Likely to avoid people like us.


This site included no reference to a head instructor or owner. For that we turn to what I think is an OLDER site. Found here:
http://americamartialartsacademy.weebly.com/index.html

Name of the owner is David Hartsook (Source: http://americamartialartsacademy.weebly.com/about-the-instructor.html).

reading this site it makes the usual BS claims. No BJJ claims here. A few references to jiu jitsu but not BJJ. There are claims of having multiple BB in arts like TKD, Ninjitsu, Kenpo. Does claim to have trained or train military special forces (Source - Id. or see above).

What I could find on Hartsook (Skimpy here - will dig up more)

First looks like there are others onto him. Look at his ratemybjj.com profile:
http://ratemybjjinstructor.com/index.php?instructor_detail&instructor_id=000636

Facebook:
http://www.facebook.com/people/David-Hartsook/100000154457942

Gracie Profile:
https://gracieuniversity.com/students.aspx?ctl00_PrimaryContent_RadGridBeltHoldersChangePage=4

Found a claim of BJJ - though it is a 3rd party site called USAMMA:
http://usamma.tripod.com/id35.html
DOES INCLUDE A PERSONAL E-MAIL.


More later.
4/14/12 12:44 AM
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4/14/12 12:50 AM
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 Damn bigsky you're goodThats some good info. You should post that  in the thread on FF
4/14/12 12:55 AM
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 big sky vtfu
this is gonna get good

4/14/12 1:12 AM
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@Gojira

Thanks. I will cross post it after I register over there. Going to watch some Supernatural w/ the girlfriend and find more info.
4/14/12 1:15 AM
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4/14/12 1:15 AM
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 At the end of training he verbally stated to  the OP on florida fighter  that he (master dave) got his bjj black belt at 8 years  from a Dan Ortez/Ortiz in Gainsville. Stated that Ortiz got his black belt from Carlos Gracie Jr. And added tha Ortiz no longer lives in Gainsville and resides somewhere in Brazil.
  
4/14/12 1:24 AM
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@Gorija - I have not been able to follow up on that part yet. The lineage claim will be my next avenue. I really wish the Gracie site had a search by name. At least it could start me in a direction. Starting w/ something like Dan Ortez/Ortiz is goin gto be hard.

That said if anyone has contact w/ Carlos Grace Jr. it would be great if they could e-mail him.

@Vemloas - Thanks. Just trying to hold it down till MMAguy and the rest of the UG Mob shows up. In that vein someone needs to post the UG Mob GIF.


Up next:

Follow Lineage Claim
Contact (? - Likely leave to a senior member like MMAguy - I.E. Don't get this guy alerted YET!!!)
Dig into background
Find Students/Former Students
Follow up on the USA MMA and other MMA associations (looked like class A bullshido to me - Look at home sit on the .com website)
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Profit
4/14/12 1:34 AM
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4/14/12 1:52 AM
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4/14/12 1:53 AM
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EDITED OUT - This is not the Dan we are looking for. People I found were in TX and IL NOT Gainesville FL as Master Dave claimed.

My mistake. I will better fact check in the future.


4/14/12 2:00 AM
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Another update. School is NAGA accredited. To become NAGA accredited the requirements are:

solid instruction
proper training facilities
a strong showing of sportsmanship at NAGA events


Site does not give any insight into what solid instruction constitutes.

While this does not tell us one way or another if Dave is a BB it does provide a little postive light for him.

Source/Link:

http://nagafighter.com/index.php?module=schoolpage
4/14/12 2:15 AM
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Hey the second guy you looked up is Dave Ortiz. Looking for Dan.
4/14/12 2:22 AM
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Once again, just because there's room for confusion, I'd stress the importance of not rushing in to things and making bold claims about people until the facts are in. We already know that there are at least two Dave Langs, for instance, and now there's also Dave Ortiz AND Dan Ortiz.

I'm not saying anything about whether someone is guilty or innocent or whatever, just that it's vital that everyone make certain that they know exactly who is who and who is making what claims and such.

Someone called out an instructor recently and it backfired on him in a big way... It doesn't really help the UG's credibility when things like that happen.
4/14/12 2:27 AM
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4/14/12 2:30 AM
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