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4/14/12 2:35 AM
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@itswhitty

I agree. I have been careful to NOT make accusations. At this point I am in the information gathering phase. As we contact others it will be possible to make conclusions on legitimacy.


INTERESTING NOTE:

The Ortiz I found in IL? His instructor just received his BB from Carlson Gracie Jr. in December 2011.

What does it mean? Nothing. Likely random chance.
4/14/12 2:43 AM
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4/14/12 2:54 AM
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Basic instruction is what that site claims. It seems like he wanted to boast and embellish his rank in order to impress a potential new student. However, at least there is some proof he advertised his true background. He needs a quick correction, but not the life ending attacks that Lang and others got.

4/14/12 3:06 AM
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I think you may be correct. However, we should continue to dig and make contact in the near future. let him tell his side of the story.

More digging tommorow while I listen to the Cubs game. Hopefully by then some of the Mob will have shown up and can give some guidance?
4/14/12 3:17 AM
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4/14/12 5:27 AM
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In, but not getting hopes up


And when it came to kevin chhay, I was the only one (if not only, them the first) that stepped up on behalf of the OG and apologized/explained the situation, and he was very understanding, as will as a very nice guy.

When people don't own up to their mistakes THAT is what makes us look bad.

So, lets not have that happen again.
4/14/12 8:02 AM
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4/14/12 8:13 AM
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WOW! I read the links and got around to this page
https://gracieuniversity.com/students.aspx?ctl00_PrimaryContent_RadGridBeltHoldersChangePage=4

Did Rorion also start the McDojo as well? This is just a question...not an accusation.

I can't believe how many Black Belts are on there
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UGCTT_Sk1tzO420 - In, but not getting hopes up


And when it came to kevin chhay, I was the only one (if not only, them the first) that stepped up on behalf of the OG and apologized/explained the situation, and he was very understanding, as will as a very nice guy.

When people don't own up to their mistakes THAT is what makes us look bad.

So, lets not have that happen again.

 agreed dont want it to happen again. 

BTW, Kevin Chhay is an awesome guy with a good head on his shoulders. Glad he is now apart of our community. If only more of the instances could turn out as his did
 
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UGCTT_Sk1tzO420 - In, but not getting hopes up


And when it came to kevin chhay, I was the only one (if not only, them the first) that stepped up on behalf of the OG and apologized/explained the situation, and he was very understanding, as will as a very nice guy.

When people don't own up to their mistakes THAT is what makes us look bad.

So, lets not have that happen again.

 agreed dont want it to happen again. 

BTW, Kevin Chhay is an awesome guy with a good head on his shoulders. Glad he is now apart of our community. If only more of the instances could turn out as his did
 
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UGCTT_Sk1tzO420 - In, but not getting hopes up


And when it came to kevin chhay, I was the only one (if not only, them the first) that stepped up on behalf of the OG and apologized/explained the situation, and he was very understanding, as will as a very nice guy.

When people don't own up to their mistakes THAT is what makes us look bad.

So, lets not have that happen again.

 agreed dont want it to happen again. 

BTW, Kevin Chhay is an awesome guy with a good head on his shoulders. Glad he is now apart of our community. If only more of the instances could turn out as his did
 
Same. Now speak to Kevin daily!! Phone Post
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If you want to see McDojo in Jacksonville today and tomorrow,go to the GB there,and witness the No Gi seminar today,and the KILLER Weapons class on Sunday.........

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4/14/12 11:59 AM
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jcblass - DAVID HARTSOOK-AMERICAN MARTIAL ARTS ACADEMY
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Basic instruction is what that site claims. It seems like he wanted to boast and embellish his rank in order to impress a potential new student. However, at least there is some proof he advertised his true background. He needs a quick correction, but not the life ending attacks that Lang and others got.




But this is not the first time he's embellished. But more so than embellishing is that he is is evasive when it comes to answering questions about his lineage..Stuff has to be pried out of him very strategically to get him to answer questions. Here are some comments left about him, one from 2010 on Rate My BJJ Instructor - Dave Hartsook so you can see he has been running this game for awhile.

Please nobody email or contact Master Dave yet as the OP on original thread FAKE BJJ GYMS!!!! is returning on Monday to try and get video.

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