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4/19/12 8:37 AM
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A photo caption posted on the irreverent MMA website CagePotato.com resulted in a legal demand for its removal, with the ominous statement that the demand was "the first required step in the filing of a lawsuit seeking punitive damages against a party that has maliciously published defamatory statements about another."

The caption referred to wagering on Saturday's long-awaited showdown between champion Jon Jones and former champion (and former teammate) Rashad Evans.

CagePotato managing editor Ben Goldstein issued a retraction and apology, and removed the story from the site. Goldstein also defended the piece as satirical and humorous and thus allowed by law.

UFC President Dana White was made aware of the piece via Twitter, and reacted characteristically. But he was not the only person upset. As related in a USA TODAY interview with UFC co-owner Lorenzo Fertitta and the UFC's chief marketing officer Bryan Johnston, Evans "threw a fit."

Sergio Non: Why is it such a serious thing for UFC?

Lorenzo Fertitta: Because these guys flatout lied. They just made up a story and lied. Somebody who doesn't know what our policies are and what we do, they could look at it in a very negative light.

A lot of people out there already don't even understand how the fight business works with regulation and everything, and for these guys to come out and make a statement like that, that is an extremely slanderous statement that potentially harms us in a big way.

The other thing too that you've got to understand is the fallout that you have. These fighters are already paranoid enough. Dana had to talk to Rashad on the phone for 30 minutes to calm him down, to tell him, "Are you crazy? There's no way I would ever bet on a fight or bet against you."

These guys go out and do this reckless reporting -- it's not even reporting -- make these reckless statements and they end up causing us fallout and having to deal with issues. Why should we even have to deal with this stuff? They made this up and lied and put it online.

SN: Their counterargument is that it was just satire and that most people clearly understood it as such. Why is that an insufficient explanation?

LF: Because we know what the outcome was. We had a flurry of people contacting us through e-mail, Twitter. Rashad throwing a complete fit and talking to Caren Bell, and then Dana having to call him to calm him down. If (people) thought it was just satire, we wouldn't have had that reaction.

Bryan Johnston: And it's really a weak argument to hide behind, satire. If tomorrow we put out an article online that said you were a pedophile and it went worldwide, it doesn't matter what kind of satire that is -- how do you unwind that?

SN: You don't, but I think ...

LF: Yeah, you don't.

SN: Where you do you draw the line? If someone's telling a joke and it just happens to be a bad joke, is that reason enough to...

LF: But it didn't even read like a joke. It didn't read like a joke at all. If you look at the article, when you first read that, it sounds like that they were in a room with Dana, talking to him, and he says, "Oh," and he kind of made a mistake and said something, and said "Don't print that."

To me -- and I'm a pretty educated guy, I read the paper every day, one of the people that still reads the paper...if I read an article like that, I would seriously believe that that actually happened and that went down.

It wasn't like it was a cartoon of Dana, with him blurbing something out in his head, with a bubble. It was put in print like a regular article.

SN: They issued a retraction on their website. Does it satisfy your demands?

LF: We're currently evaluating whether it's sufficient or not. Like I said, there's been a massive amount of fallout in the wake of them putting out something that is completely reckless in the way that they did. I don't understand how anybody could defend what they did. It's a very serious allegation.

For them to even joke that Dana made a wager of that magnitude on one fighter versus another fighter is something that could have tremendous negative implications for the industry, for our company and a lot of different things.

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4/19/12 8:51 AM
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4/19/12 8:54 AM
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I used to think Rampage was paranoid ...
Dale Gribble - I'm guessing that Zuffa are not fans of Saturday Night Live or The Onion, either.
Bit of a difference between always making jokes, and just throwing a single joke in with a real article.
  
4/19/12 9:00 AM
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grandstanding and exaggeration to introduce things that can be used as evidence in a lawsuit

and Rashad flips out if his haircut isn't striaght. Fuck him
4/19/12 9:09 AM
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sevenwithcheese - I used to think Rampage was paranoid ...
Dale Gribble - I'm guessing that Zuffa are not fans of Saturday Night Live or The Onion, either.
Bit of a difference between always making jokes, and just throwing a single joke in with a real article.
  

Not to defend Cage Potato, but they do that with every single article.  They have a picture, a funny/satirical/fabricated caption, and a legit article underneath it.  The only problem I see with the current mess is that they put the caption in quotes, which makes it seem like a direct quote from Dana.  Without the quotes, it would have read like any other silly caption on the site.
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Humphrey - grandstanding and exaggeration to introduce things that can be used as evidence in a lawsuit

and Rashad flips out if his haircut isn't striaght. Fuck him
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That's our Lorenzo!

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4/19/12 9:15 AM
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Dale Gribble - I'm guessing that Zuffa are not fans of Saturday Night Live or The Onion, either.
Not the same. Everything that SNL and The Onion does is a parody. CP has real articles. Throwing a BS quote on a site with a bunch of actual quotes is just misleading. If you're going to make a joke using quotes, you need to make it clear that it's a joke. I can easily see why they would be pissed. Betting on your own fighters is a serious allegation. 

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All I got from that interview is that Sergio Non is a pedophile.
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Lawyers, seems to me like filing a SLAPP motion would be an easy defense if zuffa were to move forward with a suit- thoughts? Phone Post
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Steve4192 - 
sevenwithcheese - I used to think Rampage was paranoid ...
Dale Gribble - I'm guessing that Zuffa are not fans of Saturday Night Live or The Onion, either.
Bit of a difference between always making jokes, and just throwing a single joke in with a real article.
  

Not to defend Cage Potato, but they do that with every single article.  They have a picture, a funny/satirical/fabricated caption, and a legit article underneath it.  The only problem I see with the current mess is that they put the caption in quotes, which makes it seem like a direct quote from Dana.  Without the quotes, it would have read like any other silly caption on the site.
I understand, but you can't compare it to something like SNL or the Onion, because neither is actually trying to be a legit news outlet. I've never read an Onion article where they lay out all the facts of a real story, and then toss in just one joke for fun. It's a terrible comparison.
 
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Tyler Bentley - 
Humphrey - grandstanding and exaggeration to introduce things that can be used as evidence in a lawsuit

and Rashad flips out if his haircut isn't striaght. Fuck him
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hi hashad. flipping out over posts too. rofl.

Rashad is a train wreck waiting to happen. just watch. the reality is he's completely butthurt that jones is going to kill him, and he's no longer thought of as 'the shit' at jacksons.
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I have to rethink this now that Lorenzo is coming out. He seems to be the sensible side of the UFC, and he doesn't seem to hold Dana-esque grudges.

I guess when you are in the Casino business and somebody accuses you of double-dipping it's probably FAR more offensive to them than we know. Maybe they have a right to lose it like that.

For us it's a bad joke, for them it's a possible reputation-injuring scenario.

Lorenzo's might be right, we'd know what it was like if someone was accusing any of us of a sex crime, then we could relate. We could also relate if we owned a company people bet on or were in the Casino business.

Yea, I'm rethinking this.....
  
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 Bryan... leave the talking to Lorenzo you idiot. All I could picture after reading this was Lorenzo giving the "slash at the throat" gesture to Bryan to stop him from opining:



"Bryan Johnston: And it's really a weak argument to hide behind, satire. If tomorrow we put out an article online that said you were a pedophile and it went worldwide, it doesn't matter what kind of satire that is -- how do you unwind that?"

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No none troll could possibly believe that White spent 30 minutes talking with Rashad about this?

Holy shit, this is to distract the media over the Overeem pissing hot and putting a major fight in jeopardy.

The end.
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This is getting a little ridiculous. First it was the internet freedom and now it's freedom of speech. What's next? Our Father/Hail Mary before main events?
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jbapk - No none troll could possibly believe that White spent 30 minutes talking with Rashad about this?

Holy shit, this is to distract the media over the Overeem pissing hot and putting a major fight in jeopardy.

The end.

 really?  you think UFC is drumming up this drama over serious allegations to distract from one of their fighters having their T:E out of whack? 

your tinfoil hat might be a little too tight. 
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jbapk - No none troll could possibly believe that White spent 30 minutes talking with Rashad about this?

Holy shit, this is to distract the media over the Overeem pissing hot and putting a major fight in jeopardy.

The end.

 really?  you think UFC is drumming up this drama over serious allegations to distract from one of their fighters having their T:E out of whack? 

your tinfoil hat might be a little too tight. 


"serious allegations"

Ha!

Good one Suess!
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Ansari - All I got from that interview is that Sergio Non is a pedophile.

 LOL
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Dale Gribble - I'm guessing that Zuffa are not fans of Saturday Night Live or The Onion, either.

 This. It is ridiculous to think that anyone took that seriously. Lorenzo claiming it read like it was a real quote is flat out a lie. The Quoe was beneath a picture from a COMMERCIAL for Bud Light for fuck's sake. 

If they think that it hold weight to sue CP, they probably also think that The Daily Show and Colbert Report should have been sued 192386983256 times by now. 

It was a joke, and  a joke that drove home a real message about the UFC and their new kinda-but not really-sponsorship of Jon Jones. They are butthurt that people are showing how bias and conflicting it is to do such.
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"LF: We're currently evaluating whether it's sufficient or not."

Translation: The UFC lawyers are figuring out how to charge more legal fees, and billing us for the time to figure that out.
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kevsh - "LF: We're currently evaluating whether it's sufficient or not."

Translation: The UFC lawyers are figuring out how to charge more legal fees, and billing us for the time to figure that out.

 LOL

correct
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taking your own profession as a joke is always a good thing. lol fucking MMA journalism. Is there really such a thing? Ive always felt like it was a bunch of half wit retards that didnt have what it took to get in the cage
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Brian Rule - This is getting a little ridiculous. First it was the internet freedom and now it's freedom of speech. What's next? Our Father/Hail Mary before main events?

"Freedom of speech" doesn't include libel. If I made a website about you blowing horses and people believed it, you could sue me for defamation of character (that is, if you don't in fact blow horses), even if I intended it as a joke. Obviously, this isn't that blantant, but it's poor journalism nonetheless.

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