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5/22/12 3:43 AM
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Why didn't Cesar Gracie as the "Manager" submit a valid Marijuana Card, signed Doctor's documentation of Nick's disorder and full disclosure to the Commission prior to his fights?

Both fights the same BS story but bottom line the "Manager" did not submit/disclose all the necessary signed documentation to Commission Officials.

I love Nick's fighting style and his warrior spirit but someone has got to take the Managerial role in the Cesar Gracie Team. Cesar is an awesome BJJ Guru and Coach but that is his limit.
5/22/12 4:33 AM
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so nsac adapted wada prohibited list but yet somehow reserves the right to interpret it anyway they see fit.. basically it gives them carte blanche over any "positive test".. in this case it was all about the $$ they could get .. and not the $$ it would cost the casino's/local economy..

shady shit.. but hey if diaz had beat the shit out of his kid's mother and was a $20 million plus pvp draw.. with prison/jail time looming..............

no worries right?!!!!!!!!!! even if his best friend owned a pharmacy that specialized in TRT

and lol at neveda.. a state of accountability... =D


5/22/12 4:38 AM
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If Diaz and his management had fully disclosed all relevant details then there wouldn't be so much of a problem ... However letting a guy tinker with his testosterone levels is a hell of a lot more dangerous to an opponent than if that same opponent was fighting a guy who smokes weed
5/22/12 4:55 AM
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 He fucked up in that he broke the FUCKING rules for a SECOND time at a POST FIGHT piss test. Agree or disagree with the rules. He broke them he needs to pay for it. Second time offenders usually get hit with the same penalty. One year and a large fine.

Chael is trying to find a way to avoid breaking a rule by getting a TUE BEFORE he fights so he wont BREAK any rules come fight night piss test. I don't care if you agree but there is a big fucking difference between the two. Apples and oranges, comparing the punishment of someone breaking a rule a second time and a guy trying to get cleared so he isn't in violation is dumb.

Nick and Ceasar have this serious persecution complex and need to find a way to grow the fuck up. Not everyone is out to get your boy Ceasar if you both grew up a little and took some responsibility the first time you would have learned your lesson and not be in this position.

Quote of the day:
Mr Diaz you said you would stop smoking marijuana after the last positive test, when do you think you started again?
"Probably when I got home"
5/22/12 6:16 AM
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Jaybrone -  He fucked up in that he broke the FUCKING rules for a SECOND time at a POST FIGHT piss test. Agree or disagree with the rules. He broke them he needs to pay for it. Second time offenders usually get hit with the same penalty. One year and a large fine.

Chael is trying to find a way to avoid breaking a rule by getting a TUE BEFORE he fights so he wont BREAK any rules come fight night piss test. I don't care if you agree but there is a big fucking difference between the two. Apples and oranges, comparing the punishment of someone breaking a rule a second time and a guy trying to get cleared so he isn't in violation is dumb.

Nick and Ceasar have this serious persecution complex and need to find a way to grow the fuck up. Not everyone is out to get your boy Ceasar if you both grew up a little and took some responsibility the first time you would have learned your lesson and not be in this position.

Quote of the day:
Mr Diaz you said you would stop smoking marijuana after the last positive test, when do you think you started again?
"Probably when I got home"


Pretty much this
5/22/12 6:23 AM
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I sincerely hope Nick Diaz never has to return. Loved watching him fight, but it ain't about fighting anymore. It's just a bunch of political bullshit.

Fuck MMA and the joke it's become.
5/22/12 6:28 AM
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I see his point and I understand his frustration, but how is it the UFC's fault?? Theyre not the NSAC - they are forced to abide by their rulings, regardless of whether or not they have merit.

Or do I just not understand this twitter shit? The message WAS directed at the UFC, right?

5/22/12 6:48 AM
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What doesn't Cesar Gracie respond bitterly to. Did you see him after the Condit-Diaz fight?
5/22/12 6:48 AM
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Everybody can talk all the shit they want but if u actually watched it even if it was nick diaz the whole process was fucked up and completly out of line...they brought up personal shit that had no business of being brought up and they had their minds made up before that they even started Phone Post
5/22/12 6:54 AM
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<blockquote>Kansas Comet - Why didn't Cesar Gracie as the "Manager" submit a valid Marijuana Card, signed Doctor's documentation of Nick's disorder and full disclosure to the Commission prior to his fights? <br /><br />Both fights the same BS story but bottom line the "Manager" did not submit/disclose all the necessary signed documentation to Commission Officials.</blockquote><br /><br /><br />

the reason they weren't submitted is because they didn't exist in 2010, 2011, and he got one a couple of weeks after he was caught
5/22/12 7:02 AM
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lol at all the sandy vag's saying it shouldn't be on the list of banned substances it is not a performance enhancer. the banned list also includes performance inhibitors that is why alcohol is at the top.
5/22/12 7:27 AM
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Bitch on Twitter, or to Layzie, or do something about it.

You have my contact information.
5/22/12 7:34 AM
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The thing that bothers me is how they were harping on Diaz lying on his pre-fight medical questionnaire about not being on prescription medication, meanwhile Chael did the same exact thing. He also made up some bullshit story about his manager taking to Keith Kizer (who even says the story is bullshit) claiming the he was told "never to mention it again". Just seems like there's a double standard there.

Regardless, this is Nick's 2nd time getting popped in NV. They are not going to be lenient. It's just a joke that a guy can legally take TESTOSTERONE before a fight, but smoking some weed gets you a year suspension. Phone Post
5/22/12 7:35 AM
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Joke indeed.
5/22/12 7:47 AM
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I dont get why you have to trash other fighters involved in seperate incidents to try to prove your fighter is being screwed. Nick failed a drug test for the second time for the same substance. The fact is that MJ is banned, and Nick tested positive for it. End of story, guilty, move on.
5/22/12 8:26 AM
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What a fucked up world we live in lol. Ceasar is 100% correct.
5/22/12 8:27 AM
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if Ceasar was half a manager he would have foreseen this problem and tried to deal with it. he could have gone before the commission and asked for an exemption. the expert witness used yesterday could have laid the groundwork for the metabolites being present but that he more than likely quit smoking a week before the fight.
5/22/12 8:36 AM
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Caesar is not right, there are big differences in the situations. Chael has paid his fine and served his suspension. He is now providing medical evidence to show he needs TRT and needs a TUE so he will not fail the test come fight night. Nick failed a second test for the same thing what do not get about that? They are completely different issues. Now if Diaz had been applying for a TUE for weed and was denied you could botch that it's not fair. Phone Post
5/22/12 8:36 AM
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Marijuana illegal, but TRT is cool? I might look kinda funny, but I ain't no fool. Phone Post
5/22/12 8:45 AM
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Lets be honest here...the NSAC did make themselves look horrible yesterday,and very unprofessional.
5/22/12 8:46 AM
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And Chael served his punishment for his failed test. TRT medically necessary according to his doctor legit or not. The commission has allowed TUE for others for TRT so it would be unjust to deny Chael in his case. Diaz failed a test for the same thing a second time. Every other fighter to pop a second time has had to serve similar suspensions. There isn't an injustice just a perception of one. It is another excuse for Diaz and co to avoid taking responsibility for the situation. Phone Post
5/22/12 8:56 AM
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I wouldn't say ADHD is a serious medical issue. And no...Chael did the exact same thing when he got caught,he didn't have an excuse at the time either. And his TRT use is from previous steroid abuse,the NSAC knows that...they just turn a blind eye to it.
5/22/12 9:06 AM
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dabigchet -  Every time cesar talks it becomes more clear why nick is the way he is. Phone Post

 
5/22/12 9:22 AM
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UGCTT_LnPninja - 
dabigchet -  Every time cesar talks it becomes more clear why nick is the way he is. Phone Post

 

 That's problem with too many people these days....lack of personal responsibility. Evident by the number of people who feel Cesar is 100% right. So much simple shit that Nick could have done to not even be in position he is in. Cesar is always the one speaking on his behalf...why is  that??
5/22/12 10:05 AM
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you would have to be an idiot to look at sonnen's case and nick's case and draw the conclusion that somehow nick is being unfairly prosecuted and sonnen treated gently.

consider, both nick and chael were popped for a substance that was illegal before. in nick's case, he said prior to pride 33 that he always had pot in his system and that he never had a positive test. in chael's case, he claimed that he had disclosed TRT prior. already, chael is 1 up. nick served a 6 month suspension, chael had a 1 year, then an indefinite, then a lifting of the suspension. he ended up sitting out more than 1 year. chael paid a bigger price than nick did for the 1st offense.

now you have 2 guys, both with 1 strike. 1 of them goes before the commission before he gets licensed, lays it all out there and makes sure he is completely in the clear with them. the other tries to take his pot use as close to the fight as possible, does not disclose it, and took a gamble. to suggest they should be treated the same is ridiculous.

nick COULD have gone before the commission with a doctor from california and been the first to claim a TUE for pot. at least then he would have known where he stood. had it not been granted, he could have still been licensed and been in the same boat he ended up being in, knowing he should stop 30 days before the fight. but he didn't, he rolled the dice, offended a second time and got the MINIMUM for what a 2nd hot test for a banned substance would ever get.

not at ALL the same. add to that no one is talking about "steroids" and a DUI is not the NSAC's business and you have one retarded tweet that a stream of retards are lining up to agree with here.

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