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5/22/12 10:15 AM
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^^^actually, testosterone is an anabolic steroid. we are talking about steroids here, whether he has gotten permission to use them or not. Steroid is a medical term. It doesn't stop being a steroid when a doctor signs your prescription.
5/22/12 10:23 AM
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The man makes an excellent point. Phone Post
5/22/12 10:45 AM
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Suspended 12 fucking months, in his prime. For smoking marijuana.

NSAC makes me sick. Fucking clowns. Phone Post
5/22/12 10:50 AM
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Whether it is true or not, sometimes it's better to keep your mouth closed. There is a reason we are born with two ears but only one mouth. You should listen. Phone Post
5/22/12 10:53 AM
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Jaybrone -  Caesar is not right, there are big differences in the situations. Chael has paid his fine and served his suspension. He is now providing medical evidence to show he needs TRT and needs a TUE so he will not fail the test come fight night. Nick failed a second test for the same thing what do not get about that? They are completely different issues. Now if Diaz had been applying for a TUE for weed and was denied you could botch that it's not fair. Phone Post

 
5/22/12 10:55 AM
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dabigchet - you would have to be an idiot to look at sonnen's case and nick's case and draw the conclusion that somehow nick is being unfairly prosecuted and sonnen treated gently.

consider, both nick and chael were popped for a substance that was illegal before. in nick's case, he said prior to pride 33 that he always had pot in his system and that he never had a positive test. in chael's case, he claimed that he had disclosed TRT prior. already, chael is 1 up. nick served a 6 month suspension, chael had a 1 year, then an indefinite, then a lifting of the suspension. he ended up sitting out more than 1 year. chael paid a bigger price than nick did for the 1st offense.

now you have 2 guys, both with 1 strike. 1 of them goes before the commission before he gets licensed, lays it all out there and makes sure he is completely in the clear with them. the other tries to take his pot use as close to the fight as possible, does not disclose it, and took a gamble. to suggest they should be treated the same is ridiculous.

nick COULD have gone before the commission with a doctor from california and been the first to claim a TUE for pot. at least then he would have known where he stood. had it not been granted, he could have still been licensed and been in the same boat he ended up being in, knowing he should stop 30 days before the fight. but he didn't, he rolled the dice, offended a second time and got the MINIMUM for what a 2nd hot test for a banned substance would ever get.

not at ALL the same. add to that no one is talking about "steroids" and a DUI is not the NSAC's business and you have one retarded tweet that a stream of retards are lining up to agree with here.
This is spot on. Very well said if I wasn't on my phone I would Vtfu. Phone Post
5/22/12 11:10 AM
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Anomonis - Honestly, the 'ADHD defense' is just stupid bullshit. If anything I'd bet weed would make ADHD symptoms worse, no way better. How would he even know? When is the last time he took a meaningful amount of time off weed?


8 days before his last fight.
5/22/12 11:11 AM
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Anomonis - Honestly, the 'ADHD defense' is just stupid bullshit. If anything I'd bet weed would make ADHD symptoms worse, no way better. How would he even know? When is the last time he took a meaningful amount of time off weed?


8 days before his last fight.


Allegedly.
5/22/12 11:45 AM
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Forget the NSAC.

The UFC treated Sonnen more favorably.

Fights in Illinois and Texas weren't because Chael is a draw either place.

It was to go where the commissions are soft.

Chael got easy fights in Stann and Bisping (on paper given stylistic matchups they were FAVORABLE) in states with lax commissions in order to get to Sonnen vs Silva 2.

Once Chael loses to Silva and is just a mid-30's fighter who can't touch Jon Jones, beat Silva or make 170, the UFC will be done with him and his schtick.

For now it's about getting to Silva-Sonnen 2 as if it were the Road to WrestleMania and it wasn't just the NSAC but the UFC who made said road a more comfortable walk by removing every pebble from his path. Phone Post
5/22/12 1:56 PM
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Every time these guys get in shit they go with the "it's everybody's fault but mine" excuse. Now they are looking around going "but this guy did this and that guy did that" you fucked up. You tried to fight the commission and lost, take your lumps and move on. Phone Post
5/22/12 2:14 PM
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JeffersonDArcyChoke - 

Chael got easy fights in Stann and Bisping (on paper given stylistic matchups they were FAVORABLE) in states with lax commissions in order to get to Sonnen vs Silva 2.


lol. who should he have fought? you realize they matched chael up with munoz, right?
5/22/12 4:32 PM
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I could understand busting him if he came into the cage high as a kite, but 8 days before? Who gives a damn and what relevance does that have on the fight's outcome?
5/22/12 5:15 PM
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Unwariestpickle - Well put. All the NSAC did today was prove that they're a bunch of clowns working in a kangaroo court. Not only were there questions irrelevant, but the whole process was entirely unprofessional.
Keith Kizer is the king of the keystone cops...

Totally pathetic unprofessional organization...
 
5/22/12 5:18 PM
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Some rational thinkers on the Board unfortunately seems to be far outweighed by Diaz Fanboys again.

Damn Gents don't you see that if Nick's Management would Manage Nick's affairs appropriately prior to fight time all these rule violations and punishments could be avoided?

This is what you fanboys are missing.

Cesar the "Manager" needs to submit a valid Marijuana Card along with a bona fide Medical Doctor's signature on a Document stating Nick is taking Marijuana to treat his Disorder once this is done Nick doesn't get busted either time by the Commission.

It really is that simple.
5/22/12 5:21 PM
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MMALOGIC - this is why Nick is the way he is... he's got nothing but excuse makers and yes men in his ears.

 
5/22/12 5:21 PM
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Kansas Comet - Some rational thinkers on the Board unfortunately seems to be far outweighed by Diaz Fanboys again.

Damn Gents don't you see that if Nick's Management would Manage Nick's affairs appropriately prior to fight time all these rule violations and punishments could be avoided?

This is what you fanboys are missing.

Cesar the "Manager" needs to submit a valid Marijuana Card along with a bona fide Medical Doctor's signature on a Document stating Nick is taking Marijuana to treat his Disorder once this is done Nick doesn't get busted either time by the Commission.

It really is that simple.


No one has ever received an exemption for marijuana. There is no guarantee such a thing would be granted.
5/22/12 5:23 PM
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 "Go ahead and do whatever you'd like Nick.  Ruin your career, smoke weed every day!  Whatever you want, friend!  We'll just point to other fighters' bad behaviors as a cop out and say the NSAC is just a bunch of big ol' goldarn hypocritcal meanies."
-Nick Diaz Yes Man
5/22/12 5:30 PM
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 If Nick Diaz had real friends and was surrounded by people who actually cared about him and his career instead of yes men enablers who fear their honest criticisms may upset the volatile Diaz, which could lead to a situation where said enabling yes man would not able to leech off of the Diaz celebrity/brand as effectively, then we wouldn't see stuff like this.  We wouldn't see or hear anything like this since real friends - i.e. "friends", i.e. people that sincerely care about Nick Diaz - would guide him towards a therapist, in private, without turning everything into a scectacle. 

And that's what's really important, i.e. not Nick Diaz's mental health, who cares about that?  Being able to brag to strangers that you're his best bud bud friend in the whole wide world, telilng strangers that your idol hero approves of you.  Those are what really counts to a yes man.
5/22/12 5:41 PM
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I can appreciate the viewpoint that Nick deserves to burn, but the forest for the trees viewpoint of some reasonable people is that we are looking at a Commission that has embraced bullshit therapeutic testosterone prescriptions that allow for a fighter to jack up on a true performance enhancer, and there is pot smoker sitting out for a year. If you don't get why that offends some people, this pathetic end result of the Commission's holy war against PEDs, I'm not sure what to tell you brilliant dissectors of the regulated life of Nick Diaz. Phone Post
5/22/12 5:43 PM
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2JupitersTooMany - I can appreciate the viewpoint that Nick deserves to burn, but the forest for the trees viewpoint of some reasonable people is that we are looking at a Commission that has embraced bullshit therapeutic testosterone prescriptions that allow for a fighter to jack up on a true performance enhancer, and there is pot smoker sitting out for a year. If you don't get why that offends some people, this pathetic end result of the Commission's holy war against PEDs, I'm not sure what to tell you brilliant dissectors of the regulated life of Nick Diaz. <img src="/images/phone/apple.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>


haha... deserves to burn... trees... nice 1
5/22/12 5:52 PM
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HexRei - 
Kansas Comet - Some rational thinkers on the Board unfortunately seems to be far outweighed by Diaz Fanboys again.

Damn Gents don't you see that if Nick's Management would Manage Nick's affairs appropriately prior to fight time all these rule violations and punishments could be avoided?

This is what you fanboys are missing.

Cesar the "Manager" needs to submit a valid Marijuana Card along with a bona fide Medical Doctor's signature on a Document stating Nick is taking Marijuana to treat his Disorder once this is done Nick doesn't get busted either time by the Commission.

It really is that simple.


No one has ever received an exemption for marijuana. There is no guarantee such a thing would be granted.


OK, I can play Devil's Advocate as you are doing lets say for Diaz' next fight 45 days out from the Fight Diaz/Cesar submits the full disclosure I already posted above concerning his prescription, Official Mar. Card, Doctor signature - all documentation etc.
the NSAC comes back and states like you are thinking and simply says that is great Nick but it still won't fly you will have to test clean prior to your fight then at least Nick may stop smoking 30 days out from the fight and be fine..

I suppose my overall point is the Diaz Camp requires Managerial Leadership - Cesar is awesome as a BJJ Guru/Coach etc but just not seeing the Manager part which is integral to the Diaz Camp because obviously they are elite fighters and Nate is looking like a future Champ they got the fighting part down the Manager and leadership duties have been bungled time and time again missed Press Conferences for a Championship fight? Backing out or better yet simply no showing a BJJ event and all the other shenanigans, unsportsmanlike episodes, unprofessionalism this is where the Manager and leader steps in and it has just not happened in the Diaz Camp..These two Nick Diaz' failed Drug tests are the latest bungles and is indicative of my whole point about the lack of a bona fide Manager and Leader of the Diaz Camp.
5/22/12 5:54 PM
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Unwariestpickle - Well put. All the NSAC did today was prove that they're a bunch of clowns working in a kangaroo court. Not only were there questions irrelevant, but the whole process was entirely unprofessional.
Keith Kizer is the king of the keystone cops...

Totally pathetic unprofessional organization...
 
Sorry... Make that Keith Kizer is the King of the Kangaroo Court...

Seriously sad...
 
5/22/12 6:02 PM
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To be honest the NSAC had no grounds to suspend him. He had metabolite in his system but that doesn't prove he was stoned while he was in competition.
5/22/12 6:04 PM
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Cesar is just pissy because Nick won't be making him any money anytime soon.

5/22/12 6:19 PM
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I agree with earlier posts saying it was all about the $$$, NSAC had already made their mind up about Nick Diaz before the hearing and UFC wanting Silva - Sinnen II. I assume NSAC make money from UFC events within the State so therefore wouldn't want the upcoming Silva-Sonnen fight to be cancelled?! If Sonnen hadn't have had a massive fight coming up in Nevada would he have been banned as well?

I don't always agree with Cesar and I think perhaps he could take a more pro-active role as Nick's manager but I think on this occasion he is correct in criticising NSAC.

Lately UFC has become way too political for my liking, I'm still a fan of the sport butnot so much UFC anymore. Whilst Nick is my favourite fighter without a doubt, I would like to see him stay in retirement and concentrate on triathlon do that he does not have to play the political games of MMA and instead can just go and compete.

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