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6/17/12 3:42 PM
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grkblood -  D1N0 obviously has never done business with someone he trusts and calls a friend.

 Hes always been cool with me..
Same here. <img style="vertical-align: middle" border="0" alt="Phone Post" src="/images/phone/apple.png" />
Same here too.
 

Thanks guys. I have no problems with anyone on here. Everyone has been more than cool.
6/18/12 7:28 PM
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Hey guys, here's the emails:

***Email #1 - July 5 2011
From Jeremy/ Yumaslim to 3 collectors
From: yumaslim@hotmail.com
To: (bjjdna)@hotmail.com; (flyingtoehold)@hotmail.com;( murph) @yahoo.com

Subject: pride 4 poster
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2011 10:39:56 -0700

hey,
you guys have one of these posters dont you? i have one i got from japan. i just found one for sale and its NOT on glossy paper and the one i have is glossy. im wondering if the one is fake i found.
what size is your poster?
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***Email #2 June 8-9 2012
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 14:11:16 -0700
From: homeboy@yahoo.com
Subject: Pride 4 pics
To: yumaslim@hotmail.com
Jeremy, here's the pics. It's obvious you sold me a fake. You had to have known this was a fake.
Ruben

--- On Sat, 6/9/12, jeremy couball <yumaslim@hotmail.com> wrote:
From: jeremy couball <yumaslim@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Pride 4 pics
To: homeboy@yahoo.com
Date: Saturday, June 9, 2012, 1:23 AM
I never pulled it out of the tube before i was with you. When i saw it i questioned it and instantly emaild murphy about its origin that night. He assured me it was lagit and that it came directly from Japan. I left it at that.
I offered to make it right by refunding you the full amount and you came back with some bullshit, so im done with it all.

Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 11:06:25 -0700
From: homeboy@yahoo.com
Subject: RE: Pride 4 pics
To: yumaslim@hotmail.com
That's not bs. The right thing to do would be replace it with a real one. If you don't want to give up your real 4 you can give up your extra Pride 1. Are you telling me you never compared it to yours?
Ruben

June 9, 2012
From Jeremy/ yumaslim to “the homeboy”
NEVER compared it, and like i told you 10 times, i never took it out of the tube until the day you got it. Im done!!!!
6/18/12 7:29 PM
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***Email #3 June 15-16, 2012
On Jun 15, 2012, at 9:06 PM, Ruben<homeboy@yahoo.com> wrote:

Hey Murph, how are you doing? You prob read the post I made on the fake Pride 4 Jeremy sold me a few months back. He says he bought it from you and that you bought it from Japan. I just wanted to confirm his story and try to confirm where the poster came from to try to figure out who made the fake. bjjdna has the real poster this fake was made from. He can't remember if he bought it from Tokyo amusement or mmaposters. Let me know if he Jeremy bought the fake from you and if you could remember more or less how long ago. And if he did get it from you, do you remember who you got it from? That info would help alot.

Thanks for the info.

Ruben "the homeboy"
--- On Sat, 6/16/12, Murph <murph@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Murph <murph@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: fake Pride 4
To: "Ruben <homeboy@yahoo.com>
Date: Saturday, June 16, 2012, 3:03 AM

When did he say he bought it from me?

I'll have to check my emails but I'm 90% sure I sold my pride 4 to (deleted name for privacy, not Jeremy) a few years ago (3-4).

On Jun 16, 2012, at 11:34 AM, Ruben <homeboy@yahoo.com> wrote:

He didn't say when, he just said he got it from you. I had been asking him for a while if he had one and he finally came up with one so I figured he had recently got it from you. He gave me 2 stories, first he told me he got it in a trade from you then he told me he bought it from you for $300. Was your Pride 4 on dull paper?

Thanks,
Ruben

On Jun 16, 2012, at 4:08 PM, Ruben <homeboy@yahoo.com> wrote:

He says he got it from you. Did he? And when? Where did it come from?

Ruben

Saturday, June 16, 2012 1:37 PM

From murph to homeboy

Lmao he didn't get it from me.
6/18/12 8:39 PM
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homeboy: so are we to assume that email#1 you got from bjjdna since you compared your poster to his.. and, do we have bjjdna, flyingtoehold, murph correspondence back to yuma pertaining his email?

so... we assume bjjdna told yuma according to the one in his hands it is glossy? correct..

yuma is claiming that he has/had (2) pride 4 posters with dull finish at one point in time or at same time..

How do we know that the poster he had at the time of him writing email#1 is in fact same poster he sold you?

I know, thats beside the point... considering yuma states he has one in glossy in email..

We just don't know what murph, flyingtoehold, or bjjdna told yuma in reply to email#1 because you don't provide us with that info..

either way, good luck in resolving this matter and always trust your gut instinct I guess.. Phone Post
6/18/12 8:54 PM
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also based on the emails you provided, it seems that one of them is lying about the origins of your Pride 4 copy, or can't remember..
whether it is yuma or murph, who knows?

I guess its whoevers' story you want to believe at this point... Phone Post
6/18/12 9:22 PM
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He offered you your money back. Either take the refund or shut up about it. He offered to make it right. You asking for his Pride 1 as a replacement is beyond crazy.
6/18/12 11:34 PM
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hunto21 - He offered you your money back. Either take the refund or shut up about it. He offered to make it right. You asking for his Pride 1 as a replacement is beyond crazy.

Hunto, all these posts and you still don't get it? I paid him for a real Pride 4 poster. The guy deliberately sold me a fake. Giving me my $ back in NO way makes things right. He needs to provide what I paid him for. He wrote on here he has 4 Pride 4's. He says he doesn't want to give up a 4. He has 2 Pride 1's he says he paid $675 for one. I offered to give him the difference for the 1 ($275) and that would've been fine for me also. Except he doesn't want to give any posters up! He wants to hoard them all. He committed fraud!
I guarantee you wouldn't be saying "ok Jeremy I'll take my money back, no problem"
6/18/12 11:40 PM
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hunto21 - He offered you your money back. Either take the refund or shut up about it. He offered to make it right. You asking for his Pride 1 as a replacement is beyond crazy.
I can't believe I'm actually saying this; but I agree with Hunto. Phone Post
6/18/12 11:53 PM
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armbarheelhook - homeboy: so are we to assume that email#1 you got from bjjdna since you compared your poster to his.. and, do we have bjjdna, flyingtoehold, murph correspondence back to yuma pertaining his email?<br><br>so... we assume bjjdna told yuma according to the one in his hands it is glossy? correct..<br><br>yuma is claiming that he has/had (2) pride 4 posters with dull finish at one point in time or at same time.. <br><br>How do we know that the poster he had at the time of him writing email#1 is in fact same poster he sold you?<br><br>I know, thats beside the point... considering yuma states he has one in glossy in email..<br><br>We just don't know what murph, flyingtoehold, or bjjdna told yuma in reply to email#1 because you don't provide us with that info..<br><br>either way, good luck in resolving this matter and always trust your gut instinct I guess.. <img src="/images/phone/droid.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>

Yeah email came from bjjdna and yeah he has the real poster. I don't have the responses, no idea. As far as I know nobody responded, Jeremy would have the responses if there were any. Doubting a collector with his credentials (which are now history) just wasn't in my book or instinct. Huge mistake! On MMA Collector's front page it says "Every item we list for sale has been checked for authenticity and we unconditionally guarantee every item to be original" Jeremy/ Yumaslim is about the same level of knowledge, he has pretty much every Pride/ UFC poster, all shapes and sizes. He knows memorabilia to a tee, especially when it comes to posters. I, like many others don't have every piece of memorabilia made, so I can't compare everything I buy, you take that persons word. In collecting it's all you have, you give your word and take the other guys, it's called trust.
6/18/12 11:55 PM
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I think The_homeboy blew the whole thing out of proportion. Just take the money he offered you and then let us (the UG) know about the fake poster. Done.
6/18/12 11:57 PM
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No, you paid him for that specific pride 4 poster, not one of his other 4. That exact poster. It turned out to be fake. Him replacing it with a different pride 4 doesn't seem reasonable to me. Just take your money back. Give him the poster back, and go back to being friends.
6/19/12 12:07 AM
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grkblood - Yuma, please tell me if I'm understanding what you're saying correctly. Last November you obtained a Pride 4 poster that you thought might be fake and you explained why you thought it was a fake in the email that you typed out. A few months later you come into possession of another Pride 4 poster and for whatever reason you never even looked at it before selling it even though just a few months prior to that you obtained the same type of poster with similar suspect flaws. If that's correct and its just coincidental then this should be easily solvable.

Take a picture of the fake that you were talking about in the emails next to a real Pride 4 (you said you had multiple ones) and put a piece of paper with todays date in the shot. If you do that it seems like it would prove that these posters were seperate.

To add my personal opinion to this, it seems very awkward that a collector such as yourself wouldn't inspect a poster of this price before selling it especially considering you just got burned with a fake just a few months before that.<br type="_moz" />

Jeremy / yumaslim was told 6 days ago "Take a picture of the fake that you were talking about in the emails next to a real Pride 4 (you said you had multiple ones) and put a piece of paper with todays date in the shot. If you do that it seems like it would prove that these posters were seperate" It's been 6 days since that post, he's posted numerous times in the last 6 days but no pics. He has all his posters in order laid out flat by event #, easy access to them. If there were another fake that pic would've been posted in a minute.
6/19/12 12:11 AM
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hunto21 - No, you paid him for that specific pride 4 poster, not one of his other 4. That exact poster. It turned out to be fake. Him replacing it with a different pride 4 doesn't seem reasonable to me. Just take your money back. Give him the poster back, and go back to being friends.

Are you telling me if 2 weeks ago before this post, myself knowing the Pride 4 was a fake, sold it to you and today you found out I knew it was fake and still sold it to you. You would just want your $ back. LOL!!!!
6/19/12 12:19 AM
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Yup, that's the reasonable solution. Notice how nobody has agreed with you that you are entitled to a different poster. Get your money back, maybe a little extra for the run around, and call it a day.
6/19/12 12:30 AM
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hunto21 - Yup, that's the reasonable solution. Notice how nobody has agreed with you that you are entitled to a different poster. Get your money back, maybe a little extra for the run around, and call it a day.

Actually everyone has agreed that the $ is not enough except for you and Jeremy.
6/19/12 12:53 AM
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You need to re-read the thread.
6/19/12 1:24 AM
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 If Yuma sends another 4 poster, off the back he is down 275.00 for the fake, plus another 275.00 for the real. Total of 550.00 for both posters would be Yumas loss in this transaction, as opposed to taking a 275.00 loss on his end.

But I see Homeboys perspective, as he feels cheated and scorned and wants to be compensated, rightfully so, and i totally feel for you homeboy! However, from a outsider stand point, I don't think it would be right for Yuma to take such a loss. Your both right, and both wrong! Wrong for selling a fake, wrong for wanting a 550.00 loss. Right for wanting to give money back, right for wanting compensation!  Hopefully you guys come to an amicable conclusion and move on. I feel for both you guys! Sucks to be in either mans shoes! 
6/20/12 1:19 PM
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Big Shot -  If Yuma sends another 4 poster, off the back he is down 275.00 for the fake, plus another 275.00 for the real. Total of 550.00 for both posters would be Yumas loss in this transaction, as opposed to taking a 275.00 loss on his end.

But I see Homeboys perspective, as he feels cheated and scorned and wants to be compensated, rightfully so, and i totally feel for you homeboy! However, from a outsider stand point, I don't think it would be right for Yuma to take such a loss. Your both right, and both wrong! Wrong for selling a fake, wrong for wanting a 550.00 loss. Right for wanting to give money back, right for wanting compensation!  Hopefully you guys come to an amicable conclusion and move on. I feel for both you guys! Sucks to be in either mans shoes! <br type="_moz" />

He's not out anything, he's got my $400. Even if he replaces the 4 he's been paid already.
6/20/12 2:34 PM
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I think what Bigshot is saying is that even if Yuma returns your $400/or gives you another Pride 4, he's still out himself whatever he lost on the cost of having the fake that he's stuck with.
6/20/12 3:05 PM
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 Mmagirl hit the nail on the head, with what I'm saying. 

 If I'm Yuma, I'm sending money back! No questions asked.

If I'm homeboy, I'm seeking compensation!, no questions asked.

I see both sides, and feel for both, especially homeboy! However I just can't see Yuma taking an 800.00 loss as opposed to 400.00.

To make Yuma take a 800.00 loss is unjust! As is him selling a fake to homeboy! As a collector I feel hella bad for homeboy, wish this never happened to him! Period! But to ask Yuma to be stuck with a fake and send off a real, is just as bad, IMO. Like I said, hate to be in either mans shoes! Situation sucks for both parties involved!
6/20/12 3:29 PM
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Big Shot -  Mmagirl hit the nail on the head, with what I'm saying. 

 If I'm Yuma, I'm sending money back! No questions asked.

If I'm homeboy, I'm seeking compensation!, no questions asked.

I see both sides, and feel for both, especially homeboy! However I just can't see Yuma taking an 800.00 loss as opposed to 400.00.

To make Yuma take a 800.00 loss is unjust! As is him selling a fake to homeboy! As a collector I feel hella bad for homeboy, wish this never happened to him! Period! But to ask Yuma to be stuck with a fake and send off a real, is just as bad, IMO. Like I said, hate to be in either mans shoes! Situation sucks for both parties involved!
I agree with everything you just said above...

however, yuma said he got poster from murph and murph said he didnt sell yuma the poster.. according to the emails..

so... who are we to believe? If yuma did infact print this copy, then yuma wouldnt be out $800 like you say above..

but alas, we don't know the truth and will probably never know who has been printing these Pride 4 copies..

Hopefully both parties can come to an agreement and i'm sure both of them have learned something from this experience.. Phone Post
6/20/12 3:41 PM
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Greedy fucks all around and not just these 2.

That is why I'm "out" of the collecting scene.

Be grateful you got a refund, and consider that a victory. Wanting a Pride 1 as "restitution" is fucking absurd.


Everyone on here keeps laying with dogs, and then wonders why they wake up with fleas..... 
6/20/12 4:25 PM
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 I agree 100% . But if Yuma didn't print it, it sucks for both he and homeboy!
6/20/12 4:31 PM
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Big Shot -  I agree 100% . But if Yuma didn't print it, it sucks for both he and homeboy!
most definately!! Phone Post
6/20/12 5:11 PM
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I just talked to Murpy. He is NOT happy that his name was mentioned in regards to this "deal" that he was NOT a part of.

I asked him straight-out if he sold anybody a Pride 4... and he said "yes, when I sold my Pride 1 - 13 it went with it." the collector that purchased his Pride 1 - 13 posters is somebody that we all know. That person has since parted-out most of his collection as well. So to make a long story short, Murphy DID NOT SELL the Pride 4 "with the folded corner" printed on it.

I have known Murphy for over 5 years and we have done over 15K in business back and forth just in high-end items. As long as I have known that dude he has always been a straight-shooter. i wouldn't question his answer. That is why I just called him and asked him first-hand.

You are welcome.

So where did the Pride 4 come from?????????????????????//

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