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6/12/12 1:57 PM
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Cant stand Frank but he is right, Frank is def a HOF without question and its a joke that he isnt in the HOF>

Dana should be a man and put aside any beef he has with Frank and put him in the HOF because Frank not being in the UFC HOF only makes Dana and the UFC look bad.
6/12/12 2:00 PM
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 Some of the press should ask Dana about Don Frye and Frank not getting into the HOF due to personal BS.  
6/12/12 2:06 PM
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I agree that Frank deserves the HOF....

But don't act like this is a problem that only happens in MMa - many deserving athletes have been shut out of their respective HOF for various reasons.

Frank and Dana will always butt heads - I don't see it happening - both guys can't control their mouth.
6/12/12 2:20 PM
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I'm pretty sure the beef started when Frank Shamrock was the UFC Champion when Zuffa took over and Frank was wanting more money for his fight contract and Zuffa didn't want to pay him so he "retired" from the sport.

6/12/12 2:20 PM
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Stu Cazzo - I agree that Frank deserves the HOF....

But don't act like this is a problem that only happens in MMa - many deserving athletes have been shut out of their respective HOF for various reasons.

Frank and Dana will always butt heads - I don't see it happening - both guys can't control their mouth.


But Pete Rose gambling on games or the black sox throwing the world series isnt the same thing as having a personal beef.

In other sports though the writers vote for it, and yes certain writers have issues with players and they dont vote for them, which is fucked up. Thats a group of people voting though, this is one guy, Dana, if he dont like you or has a beef with you he can keep you out and thats bullshit.

6/12/12 2:26 PM
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I didn't read the article, but shit, it's Frank Shamrock. I cant bag on DFW since I dont know what he said, but when I think of the early years Franks name is always in the mix. Phone Post
6/12/12 2:27 PM
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Frank Shamrock is correct
6/12/12 2:31 PM
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 Frank deserves to be in.....after Don Frye.
6/12/12 2:45 PM
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agree with Frank, he should definitely be in the HOF
6/12/12 2:47 PM
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Frank not already being there is indefensible, regardless of how you feel about him or DW. Phone Post
6/12/12 3:00 PM
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Yeah, absolutely, he was arguably the GOAT at the point he beat Ortiz and left the UFC as Champ.

for the foobs:

UFC Middleweight Champion

After the win over Inoue, Shamrock joined the UFC and fought Kevin Jackson for the newly created UFC Middleweight Championship (later renamed the UFC Light Heavyweight Championship). Jackson had won the belt in a tournament at UFC 14 and was undefeated in MMA at the time, and was also the Olympic gold medalist in freestyle wrestling for the 1992 Summer Olympics. Despite being a heavy underdog, Shamrock armbarred Jackson in just 16 seconds to win the championship.

Shamrock then made his first title defense against undefeated Extreme Fighting champion Igor Zinoviev at UFC 16. Zinoviev was a feared Russian kickboxer and sambo specialist who held wins over Mario Sperry and Enson Inoue. Shamrock shot a double leg takedown and slammed Zinoviev down so hard that it knocked him unconscious. Zinoviev suffered a broken collarbone and a fractured C-5 vertebra from the slam and had to be carried out on a stretcher.[5] Zinoviev's fight with Shamrock forced him to retire permanently from mixed martial arts. Shamrock then defended his belt against Jeremy Horn at UFC 17, submitting him with a kneebar. In October 1998, Shamrock avenged his earlier loss to John Lober by beating him decisively in 7 minutes at UFC Brazil.

In September 1999, Shamrock defended the UFC Middleweight Championship against future UFC Light Heavyweight Champion Tito Ortiz at UFC 22. Ortiz had exploded as a star after his confrontation with Shamrock's brother Ken and his Lion's Den camp at UFC 19. The bout was hyped as a grudge, as Shamrock was a former Lion's Den member who, according to the marketing, was out for revenge against Ortiz. However, this was not necessarily the case because Shamrock had left the Lion's Den on bad terms a year and a half earlier. Despite dominating his opponents in his previous title defenses, Shamrock was considered to be an underdog in this fight; Ortiz had come off convincing wins over Shamrock's former teammates Jerry Bohlander and Guy Mezger and popular opinion was that Ortiz was too big and strong for him to deal with (Ortiz cut weight to fight and by the time he stepped into the cage he would have 25 lb (11 kg; 1.8 st) on Shamrock).[6]

However, in what is widely considered to be one of the greatest fights in UFC history, Shamrock won after brutal elbows, punches, and hammer blows forced Ortiz to tap out at the end of round 4. Shamrock has stated that Ortiz was his toughest opponent physically due to his weight advantage and style of fighting.[4] With this win, Shamrock solidified himself as perhaps the greatest UFC champion in history to that date, going 5–0 in title fights and finishing each fight decisively. After the win, UFC owner Bob Meyrowitz and announcer Jeff Blatnick both praised Shamrock as the greatest competitor in the history of the UFC.[6]

Shamrock then relinquished his title and retired from the UFC. After retiring, he briefly acted as a consultant and commentator for the company. In an interview, UFC president Dana White said:[7]

"I've talked to Frank Shamrock many times. Frank Shamrock will lead you to believe that we've never talked and we completely have hated each other forever and everything else. He's a weird guy. He's a very, very weird guy. I can't explain it. Frank is a weird guy."

6/12/12 3:08 PM
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Frank should be in HOF
6/12/12 3:08 PM
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JimmersonzGlove -  Frank deserves to be in.....after Don Frye.


Don is awesome but more a People's Champ or People's HOF. Based on actual accomplishments, Frank is clearly ahead of the line.
6/12/12 3:15 PM
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Chris27 - Thats a group of people voting though, this is one guy, Dana, if he dont like you or has a beef with you he can keep you out and thats bullshit.


To be fair...I would say that Lorenzo is in agreement with Dana.  He's the real boss...

6/12/12 3:27 PM
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 Does anyone really know how the HOF for UFC even gets chosen? I know it's easy to say that it's just Dana and his grudge, but is it just Dana that gets to chose who's in and who's out? Does anyone have any inside knowlegde as to how it works?
6/12/12 3:29 PM
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Chris27 - Thats a group of people voting though, this is one guy, Dana, if he dont like you or has a beef with you he can keep you out and thats bullshit.


To be fair...I would say that Lorenzo is in agreement with Dana.  He's the real boss...


 Nah, Lorenzo deals with the big things. He lets Dana pretend to be the boss on things like the HOF.
6/12/12 3:33 PM
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The whole thing is dumb.

I think most people can come to the consensus that the UFC Hall Of Fame isn't legit.

What would be legit is an MMA Hall Of Fame, with no organizations name on it. Just an MMA Hall Of Fame.

Frank Shamrock and a lot of other NON-UFC fighters deserve the right to be in the MMA Hall Of Fame. Nobody cares about a UFC HOF, they were kicking around putting Brock Lesnar in there, lol.

Imagine if boxing had a WBO HOF, IBF HOF, WBA HOF, etc.

The UFC is not MMA as many would like to believe. It's an organization that puts on MMA fights.
6/12/12 3:34 PM
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Yep
6/12/12 3:40 PM
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 He needs to be in there, OF COURSE.
6/12/12 3:45 PM
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D241 - I'm pretty sure the beef started when Frank Shamrock was the UFC Champion when Zuffa took over and Frank was wanting more money for his fight contract and Zuffa didn't want to pay him so he "retired" from the sport.



Um no - Do your homework before you post,frank retired from the UFC right after beating tito at UFC 22 - Zuffa didnt buy the UFC til UFC 29-30,about two years later.
6/12/12 3:48 PM
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Anyone got the gif of Tito walking in the cage kinda timid looking and Frank is wearing a suit and holding the belt with a big shit eating grin on his face? 
6/12/12 3:49 PM
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I have always been a little weary of a 'Hall of Fame' that had current and active fighters in it. This thing has been screwy from the jump. Phone Post
6/12/12 3:52 PM
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Why would Frank care about the UFC Hall of Fame? It doesn't represent MMA as a whole, only a single promotion. Does each promotion have their own HOF?

If there isn't one already, there should be a single MMA HOF. That's it. Or at least this should be the only one that matters.
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Chris27 - Thats a group of people voting though, this is one guy, Dana, if he dont like you or has a beef with you he can keep you out and thats bullshit.


To be fair...I would say that Lorenzo is in agreement with Dana.  He's the real boss...


 Nah, Lorenzo deals with the big things. He lets Dana pretend to be the boss on things like the HOF.

 Yeah....the major issues facing the UFC.....like Jon Fitch in a video game....
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Stu Cazzo - Anybody know how/when/why the feud started?

 It all started when Dana's parents inexplicably gave their son a girl's name. 



funny....

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