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6/13/12 2:21 PM
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6/13/12 2:24 PM
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Then MMA hall of fame. The man really was the beast of beasts in his time.
6/13/12 2:29 PM
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I believe a HOF'er should be inducted once they gain the 'status' that it would take for them to become a hall of famer...........making anyone wait for a various number of reasons is completely BS.......with that being said I feel that Frank Mir and some other 'active' member UFC'ers should be inducted whether they are retired or not.....this isn't the NFL where a time period has to be waited out
6/13/12 2:34 PM
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Ebe5 - I think he deserves to get in when Brock gets in, because then the bar to the UFC HOF will be set low enough it will be acceptable just to plae are favorite fighters.<br><br>So do you think frank Mir is HOF worthy? <img src="/images/phone/apple.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>


Yes he def deserves to be in the HOF. He won the belt at such a young age, overcame an obstacle that said he could possible never walk the same again, won the interm belt, been in the UFC longer than any other heavyweight in history, and by far the most devastating submission artist in heavyweight history. As my previous post explains, I feel he should be inducted right away
6/13/12 3:42 PM
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Fudd not challenging Frank to a boxercise death match like he did with FUTA was a bigger snub. everyone knows that's what's REALLY eating at the Legend(Frank.)
6/13/12 8:03 PM
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Frank Shamrock was a force for a long time. And the HOF ignoring him makes it a joke. Phone Post
6/13/12 9:04 PM
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UFC HOF is a complete joke and deserves no respect or attention.

COMPLETE BITCH MOVE BY DANA......AGAIN !!

LOL @ laying down $50 this weekend to line his pockets
6/13/12 9:04 PM
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UFC HOF is a complete joke and deserves no respect or attention.

COMPLETE BITCH MOVE BY DANA......AGAIN !!

LOL @ laying down $50 this weekend to line his pockets
6/13/12 10:21 PM
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D241 - I'm pretty sure the beef started when Frank Shamrock was the UFC Champion when Zuffa took over and Frank was wanting more money for his fight contract and Zuffa didn't want to pay him so he "retired" from the sport.


 The beef started because Frank and the new owners didn't see eye to eye about their business practices. Basically, Frank wanted the UFC to build up the fighter and ZUFFA wanted to build up the UFC brand. It started to spiral downward after that. You see how Dana White is the UFC's biggest star, overshadowing the fighters? That's part of what Frank hates.


Was Frank looking to return? His last fight in the UFC was at 22, which was a while before Zuffa came in.
6/13/12 10:25 PM
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He should be in, but I can see why they wouldn't want to give Frank a live mic.
6/13/12 10:43 PM
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Roy Batty -
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D241 - I'm pretty sure the beef started when Frank Shamrock was the UFC Champion when Zuffa took over and Frank was wanting more money for his fight contract and Zuffa didn't want to pay him so he "retired" from the sport.


 The beef started because Frank and the new owners didn't see eye to eye about their business practices. Basically, Frank wanted the UFC to build up the fighter and ZUFFA wanted to build up the UFC brand. It started to spiral downward after that. You see how Dana White is the UFC's biggest star, overshadowing the fighters? That's part of what Frank hates.


Was Frank looking to return? His last fight in the UFC was at 22, which was a while before Zuffa came in.
To my understanding:

The new UFC owners (ZUFFA) brought Frank in after they bought the company because they wanted Frank to give them some advice and to bounce some things off Frank and see what he thought. Frank was given commentary positions with early ZUFFA UFC and put in the spotlight again (partially because Frank was well known and they wanted to bring the old schoolers back into the market.) When asked for his advice, Frank told them he wanted to see the UFC be about the fighter. Building up the individual as the star, and then promoting the organization around their star fighters, with the star fighter at the core.

Zuffa disagreed. They wanted to build the UFC brand into the marquee MMA promotion, and if they spent all this money promoting the fighter, and the fighter decided to bounce and sign with a rival MMA promotion, it was a waste of money and potentially detrimental to the UFC. Dana White said something along the lines of, "people ask if you watch NASCAR, not stock car racing. People ask if you watch the WWE, not professional wrestling. We want people to ask, 'do you watch the UFC?', not 'do you watch MMA?'". Phone Post
6/13/12 10:43 PM
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(continued)

Dana White, a promoter, would instead be built into the "star", overshadowing any fighter the UFC signed. This gave the UFC leverage against the unsophisticated fan who would believe the promotional nonsense Dana spewed about non Zuffa fighters and give the UFC a big commercial edge in the market.

Frank vehemently disagreed with that and the problems started spiraling out of control from there. Frank started calling Dana "fat ass Uncle Fester", Dana called Frank "creepy" and a "two face" and othe nasty names.

As for a UFC comeback, Frank didn't really like the idea of putting his body and health on the line "when nobody would see it" (reference to the dark age) and poor pay scale. Frank flirted with fights but never wanted to come back full time until the UFC had mainstream attention. Dana White actually wanted to sign Frank to fight Anderson Silva very early in Silva's title reign, but Frank didn't want to help the UFC make money off his name. That's how bad the relationship got. Phone Post
6/13/12 10:43 PM
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mixedmartialfarts - No question HOF material.  Agree with the above that the UFC HOF loses legitimacy if they don't include people because of issues outside of their career/performance in the UFC.



^ this ... listen up Dana!
6/14/12 12:52 AM
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Bitch move by Dana keeping out a true hall of famer.

 
6/14/12 4:28 AM
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Frank Shamrock was very arguably the greatest MMA fighter of the 90's. (Although Igor was up there for that decade as well - the greatest HW of the 90's and the greatest no-rules NHB fighter ever.)

Frank was certainly at least the greatest and most consistently dominant UFC Champion since Royce.

Frank Shamrock defined an era in the UFC.

He almost single-handedly carried the UFC through the early part of its dark ages. (Before Tito - whom Frank had finished in the most significant and anticipated showdown of the dark ages - then took over after Frank "retired," and carried the UFC through the rest of its dark ages and into the Zuffa era.)

Frank was the first dominant under-HW Champion in MMA history - the first dominant unified and Undisputed Champion in MMA history.

His upset win over Kevin Jackson, the reigning UFC 200 Tournament Champion (and the #1 under-HW in NHB at the time), to become the new UFC 200 Champion - followed by his official Championship unification win over Igor Zinoviev, the Extreme Fighting 200 Champion (another major title in early NHB), to become the unified and singularly reigning Champion for the entire division - and his win over Tito, the new big monster of the weight class, were three of the most significant Championship wins ever.

Frank accumulated what was very arguably the greatest set of elite wins in MMA/NHB history to that point, in the most impactful under-HW reign ever to that point. (Especially just before Sakuraba's own era-defining run and historically significant performances peaked in the year 2000.)

No one who was around at the time could even reasonably dispute that Frank was then definitively at the top, or deny Frank's singular preeminence for his era.

Frank once reigned over the sport.

Based on in-ring accomplishments, historical significance, and pure sport-based merit - especially as an unprecedented, consistently reigning and defining Champion in the UFC - Frank is a virtually necessary inclusion for any legitimate, achievement-based MMA Hall of Fame.

But being a UFC "Hall of Famer" in particular is not just based on merit - but rather, it is based ultimately or even entirely on whether the current owners alone deem a candidate to be acceptable or not.

Frank Shamrock's continuing exclusion alone is enough to disqualify the pure objective meaning and legitimacy of the so-called UFC "Hall of Fame."
6/14/12 4:31 AM
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6/14/12 8:00 AM
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Agreed. Frank's absence has always been the one glaring omission that renders the whole thing a fraud. How can you keep out an all time p4p great and expect to be taken seriously?

You can't.
6/14/12 9:08 AM
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Lets put Arianny, Goldberg and a Baldwin brother in instead.
6/14/12 9:13 AM
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anyone that demands to be there should be ignored.
6/14/12 2:08 PM
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bhealthy - Fudd not challenging Frank to a boxercise death match like he did with FUTA was a bigger snub. everyone knows that's what's REALLY eating at the Legend(Frank.)

but even with the addition of Frank the Hall of shame would still be a joke without Patrick Arnold, Gary Gygax, and especially Leopold Ruzicka!!
6/14/12 3:45 PM
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signed: respect your elders and give Frank his H.O.F..............
6/15/12 2:47 PM
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SKARHEAD - UFC HOF is a complete joke and deserves no respect or attention.

COMPLETE BITCH MOVE BY DANA......AGAIN !!

LOL @ laying down $50 this weekend to line his pockets

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6/15/12 2:48 PM
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6/21/12 1:32 PM
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dana's been watching too much basketball wives

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