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6/25/12 12:08 PM
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"I'm happy with the main event. Wanderlei and Rich are both warriors and have been around a long time. Rich came back from an unbelievable beating and near finish to win the fight. I think Mario Yamasaki did a great job in not stopping the fight. Obviously, Rich was able to continue. I gotta go back to judging again.

In the earlier fight, they had a 10-8 round in a fight that was a draw -- and they don't make the Wanderlei-Rich round a 10-8 round for Wanderlei? So inconsistent. I've said it before and I'll say it again: I want to see more fighters get involved in judging and reffing. It's gonna be a problem for a little while here, until the athletic commissions start focusing on it."

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6/25/12 12:12 PM
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junobeach - 10-8 should be for dominating a round, not dominating the last minute of an even round. BLAF is a moran

Fight could not have been closer to being stopped = 10-8
6/25/12 12:14 PM
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Good thing Dana isn't a judge then.
6/25/12 12:19 PM
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junobeach - 10-8 should be for dominating a round, not dominating the last minute of an even round. BLAF is a moran
No.

It's not about the 5 minute period.

It's about a period of domination that was so severe that it could have ended the bout.

Silva 10. Franklin 8.

Boxing gets that part of scoring right in terms of rewarding knockdowns.

Boxer 1 could jab for 2:45 but if he eats one hook at 2:47 and goes down; it's now a lost round. 10-8. Phone Post
6/25/12 12:20 PM
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I understand the entirety of a round being taken into consideration. But nearly finishing the fight in the manner Wand was performing should be the the level of a 10-8. Yes, Rich was winning the round prior to the minute of domination by Wand. But the manner and effect of the situation created should be relevant. Not simply the number of strikes. There has to be a level of differential applied.
6/25/12 12:22 PM
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junobeach - 10-8 should be for dominating a round, not dominating the last minute of an even round. BLAF is a moran
No.

It's not about the 5 minute period.

It's about a period of domination that was so severe that it could have ended the bout.

Silva 10. Franklin 8.

Boxing gets that part of scoring right in terms of rewarding knockdowns.

Boxer 1 could jab for 2:45 but if he eats one hook at 2:47 and goes down; it's now a lost round. 10-8. Phone Post
6/25/12 12:26 PM
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What did Dana have for breakfast?


Has he seen The Avengers yet? Or is he too busy putting on stellar cards?
6/25/12 12:27 PM
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In a 10-8 round wouldn't that mean the person that got scored an "8" would have no offensive output? That's why I always thought 10-8"s were so rare.

They can be scored the same way as boxing it doesn't make sense for this sport IMO. Phone Post
6/25/12 12:28 PM
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junobeach - 10-8 should be for dominating a round, not dominating the last minute of an even round. BLAF is a moran
No. <br><br>It's not about the 5 minute period. <br><br>It's about a period of domination that was so severe that it could have ended the bout. <br><br>Silva 10. Franklin 8. <br><br>Boxing gets that part of scoring right in terms of rewarding knockdowns. <br><br>Boxer 1 could jab for 2:45 but if he eats one hook at 2:47 and goes down; it's now a lost round. 10-8. <img src="/images/phone/apple.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>


^^this. that was about as clear a 10-8 round as you'll see. the fight could've been stopped and no one would've objected.
6/25/12 12:30 PM
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I can't believe there's people in this thread that don't think that's a 10-8 round.
6/25/12 12:32 PM
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RandyDarsh - In a 10-8 round wouldn't that mean the person that got scored an "8" would have no offensive output?

Absolutely not.

Say that fight was 3 rounds. 1 and 3 were very even, not much happening, Rich edged them out. Round 2 had that beatdown and was almost stopped.

Are some of you advocating that Rich should clearly be the winner of that fight? Isn't that what most judging complaints are about these days?
6/25/12 12:35 PM
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I totally agree with everything Dana said
6/25/12 12:37 PM
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 It was a near finish. I'd call it a 10-8.
6/25/12 12:37 PM
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RandyDarsh - In a 10-8 round wouldn't that mean the person that got scored an "8" would have no offensive output?

Absolutely not.

Say that fight was 3 rounds. 1 and 3 were very even, not much happening, Rich edged them out. Round 2 had that beatdown and was almost stopped.

Are some of you advocating that Rich should clearly be the winner of that fight? Isn't that what most judging complaints are about these days?
I Have not watched the fight yet,
But let's say rig was a few punches away from being done.

I think it would be fair to give him a ten eight for that but in the past I've seen judges be chincy with them Phone Post
6/25/12 12:38 PM
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I think there should be a lot more 10-8 rounds so I'm for it but...

Given the way the sport is currently scored, if the same thing had happened with a serious sub attempt, should that be a 10-8 round too. If a guy is getting beat for most of a round but gets caught in a nasty sub attempt for the last minute of the round but somehow survives (which does happen), should that be a 10-8 round too...should almost subs be scored like almost knockouts?
6/25/12 12:39 PM
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Chimonos Revenge - Good thing Dana isn't a judge then.
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6/25/12 12:41 PM
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He is right about the inconsistency of MMA judging though.

For example, one judge gave the fight to Guida.

How the fuck that can happen, i don't know.
6/25/12 12:43 PM
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Even if round 2 was a 10-8 for Wanderlei (which it wasn't) he still would have lost.

Round 1 - Franklin (10-9)

Round 2 - Wanderlei (10-8)

Round 3 - Franklin (10-9)

Round 4 - Franklin (10-9)

Round 5 - Franklin (10-9)

That makes the score at the end of the fight 48-46 with Franklin still being the winner.

Who cares if round 2 wasn't a 10-8. Wanderlei still would have lost... Phone Post
6/25/12 12:44 PM
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MMA Judging needs more 10-8 and 10-7 rounds.
10-9 = close round
10-8 = clear winner in a round
10-7 = total domination

6/25/12 12:44 PM
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Beatdowns need to be rewarded. You can't give Wandy the same score for Rd. 2 that Guida got in any round he won against Gray.
6/25/12 12:48 PM
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RandyDarsh - In a 10-8 round wouldn't that mean the person that got scored an "8" would have no offensive output?

Absolutely not.

Say that fight was 3 rounds. 1 and 3 were very even, not much happening, Rich edged them out. Round 2 had that beatdown and was almost stopped.

Are some of you advocating that Rich should clearly be the winner of that fight? Isn't that what most judging complaints are about these days?
I agree. Either more 10-8 rounds or more 10-10 rounds imo. Barely edging out a round should not be worth the same as almost finishing. Phone Post
6/25/12 12:50 PM
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Good case for a 10-8.5? The UFC doesn't want Comissions to use a half point systems. You can't have it both ways.
6/25/12 1:16 PM
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I too thought it was 10-8 but Daner agreeing has got me rethinking the whole thing. Phone Post
6/25/12 1:31 PM
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UGCTT_Fraser_Finlay - Even if round 2 was a 10-8 for Wanderlei (which it wasn't) he still would have lost.

Round 1 - Franklin (10-9)
Round 2 - Wanderlei (10-8)
Round 3 - Franklin (10-9)
Round 4 - Franklin (10-9)
Round 5 - Franklin (10-9)


That makes the score at the end of the fight 48-46 with Franklin still being the winner.

Who cares if round 2 wasn't a 10-8. Wanderlei still would have lost... \

Rounds scores are taken at the end of each round. If Wand goes on to have another sprint that matches Round 2 in his round 5 burst and doesn't finish but still pulls a dominating round, his 2 rounds would clearly out score Rich's 3 rounds won.

The argument also goes beyond any one fight. Any round similar to round 2 in any fight, should be scored a 10-8. Domination of the round should not be forced into such a stringent realm of 5 minutes of domination. The end of the bout was close at hand, 10-8. This should be the criteria for each scoring progression.

If a fighter's performance is to be respected correctly, the value of the round should be judged on the merit of the significance of the attack in relation to what their opponent is putting forth.
6/25/12 1:36 PM
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 Obvious 10-8 is obvious.

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