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6/29/12 9:32 AM
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Sam Stout remembers very clearly what Joe Rogan said during a recent fight.

The longtime UFC commentator said Stout was an easy fighter to train for because he fought the same way every time. Basically, opponents knew he liked to strike, and knew he was more vulnerable on the mat.

So when Stout (19-7-1 MMA, 7-6 UFC) bucked that trend in a rubber match with Spencer Fisher (25-9 MMA, 9-8 UFC) at this past Friday's UFC on FX 4, he had Rogan's statement in mind – and also, Fisher's more accurate punches.

"I decided to go out there and do something about that in this fight," Stout told MMAjunkie.com Radio. "My wrestling game is something that I've been working on for a long time, and my jiu-jitsu game. I've been saying that for a long time, but I've never really shown it."

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6/29/12 10:55 AM
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Wish Rampage does the same thing.

Maybe he wouldn't tap out or go crazy on energy drinks and go on an actual rampage....
6/29/12 10:58 AM
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More fighters should rewatch UFC events and listen to Rogan's advice.

Ace Franklin especially. He needs to hone that testiclular-recovery technique.
6/29/12 3:31 PM
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SlyStallowned - I don't think it had anything to do with Rogan's comments. It had to do with the fact he was getting lit up on his feet by a 36 year old guy in his retirement fight, and he decided to try to steal rounds like a puss and shoot for a takedown in the last minute for points.

 Keep on hating hater.

Sam took the rules and made them work for his favour. This is MMA. Not boxing.

Fisher is a great fighter and he had every chance to stop what Sam was doing. Sam on the other hand was hitting take downs all over.

6/29/12 3:34 PM
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Fighting isn't necessarily mixed martial arts. And mixed martial arts isn't necessarily fighting. Phone Post
6/29/12 3:35 PM
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 lol, i am glad joe told him he sucks on the ground or stout would have never known.
6/29/12 4:24 PM
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Malvert the Janitor - Fighting isn't necessarily mixed martial arts. And mixed martial arts isn't necessarily fighting. <img src="/images/phone/apple.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>


No, MMA is supposed to have some minimal rules for safety, but the intent is still supposed to be there. You do know what the whole point of MMA was in the first place right? People wanted to see which martial arts were better in a fight. MMA was trying to keep the sport of martial art close to fighting, which point-karate, Olympic TKD, Olympic judo, wrestling, boxing, and other arts had all moved away from as they got too bogged down in being about rules and points.

I'm all for some rules for safety and to a certain extent marketing since it's necessary for the sport to grow, but the original spirit and intent of actually trying to outfight the opponent, and trying hard to win by finishing them as was the only way to win in the beginning, should still be there.

Going by what he's said I can pretty much guarantee you that Jeff Blatnick, the wrestler who helped get takedowns and control into the scoring in the first place, would say that the takedowns Stout landed shouldn't have won him the fight because he wasn't able to do anything significant after landing them, just like Blatnick said for the Hendricks vs Koscheck fight.

I'm a Stout fan, never really cared one way or the other for Fisher but I respect him. Stout lost that rubber match, but retard judges automatically give rounds to whoever landed the most takedowns. I just hope this isn't a sign of Stout's strategy in the future. Nothing wrong with using a ground game, but by God actually threaten and (usually) finish the opponent with it.
6/29/12 4:25 PM
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Absolutely hate when guy get takedowns just to win rounds and nothing more
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Due to their styles and specifically the history between Stout and Fisher the end of round takedowns were especially cheap
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RealTerry - Absolutely hate when guy get takedowns just to win rounds and nothing more

 Yeah, why should a guy want to win a fight and get the winner's purse?
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SlyStallowned - I don't think it had anything to do with Rogan's comments. It had to do with the fact he was getting lit up on his feet by a 36 year old guy in his retirement fight, and he decided to try to steal rounds like a puss and shoot for a takedown in the last minute for points.

 Keep on hating hater.
Sam took the rules and made them work for his favour. This is MMA. Not boxing.
Fisher is a great fighter and he had every chance to stop what Sam was doing. Sam on the other hand was hitting take downs all over.



Keep on nut swinging groupie.
A kickboxer was fighting another kickboxer, was getting beat up, so he decided to lay on his opponent for a points victory. Not hating, just stating facts.

 You do know that this is MMA. There are a set of rules for this sport. You can use those rules in any manner you see fit to win as long as you don't break them.


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supersonic - Due to their styles and specifically the history between Stout and Fisher the end of round takedowns were especially cheap

 Yes, no MMA fighter should ever evolve or change their stratagy. Heck, I hope that both Silva and Sonnen don't make any changes to their plans either.

Fisher is a great fighter and he had every chance to stuff those take downs but didn't.
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 As much as I wouldve liked to see the fight stay standing, it really didnt make any sense for Sam since he was losing the exchanges.

Spencer said himself afterwards that its not a boxing match, so Sam did what he had to do and if you work on your wrestling every day...you might as well use it to help get the win bonus. Sam doesnt owe the fans or Spencer anything when it comes to feeding his mouth. He showed hes not one dimensional and people can say whatever they want, Sam timed those takedowns perfectly and they were really nice.
6/30/12 10:18 AM
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LOL at SlyStalloned crying because a mma fighter shot takedowns during a mma fight and supersonic calling it cheap.


SlyStallowned - 

A kickboxer was fighting another kickboxer, was getting beat up, so he decided to lay on his opponent for a points victory. Not hating, just stating facts.


no, you dumbfuck. a mma fighter was fighting another mma fighter and chose to exploit his opponent's weakness in a critical area of the sport.


6/30/12 11:31 AM
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Stout went 64 of 189 striking plus 4 for 8 in takedowns
Fischer went 65 of 156 ( IMO landed more significant strikes) and didn't attempt a single takedown.
Honestly what more do you want from an MMA fighter? Great job by both guys but Stout clearly did more. Saying they shouldn't score takedowns is like saying jabs shouldn't count as strikes Phone Post
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 No way in hell Stout landed that many strikes! Thats laughable. Spencer had his right eye split open and needed stiches 2 days before the right...Sam didn't even bust that open.

Sam had a flurry the last 20 seconds and landed his best punches of fight. I saw him land a few body shots and kicks, but Id love to know where about 40 of those strikes came from.
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Spencer beat that ass but got taken down 3 times so he lost. It's been said before, but takedowns count for WAY too much in mma scoring. Unless you slam somebody like Hughes did, or really do some damage with the takedown then it means shit. If its a really boring fight with no action then takedowns could get a win, but taking down a opponent who beats your ass for 13 minutes of the fight should not win you a decision.

Stout did not make any fans with that performance.
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SlyStallowned - I don't think it had anything to do with Rogan's comments. It had to do with the fact he was getting lit up on his feet by a 36 year old guy in his retirement fight, and he decided to try to steal rounds like a puss and shoot for a takedown in the last minute for points.

 Keep on hating hater.

Sam took the rules and made them work for his favour. This is MMA. Not boxing.

Fisher is a great fighter and he had every chance to stop what Sam was doing. Sam on the other hand was hitting take downs all over.

He's not hating he just telling it like it is. I like stout but call it like I see it and he did nothing with those take downs!

ZERO DAMAGE

He was also gifted the decision because they knew Spencer was retiring and giving him the win would do nothing for hyping stouts future fights.... Phone Post
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White347LX - Spencer beat that ass but got taken down 3 times so he lost. It's been said before, but takedowns count for WAY too much in mma scoring. Unless you slam somebody like Hughes did, or really do some damage with the takedown then it means shit. If its a really boring fight with no action then takedowns could get a win, but taking down a opponent who beats your ass for 13 minutes of the fight should not win you a decision.

Stout did not make any fans with that performance.
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Reggie Warren Jr -  As much as I wouldve liked to see the fight stay standing, it really didnt make any sense for Sam since he was losing the exchanges.

Spencer said himself afterwards that its not a boxing match, so Sam did what he had to do and if you work on your wrestling every day...you might as well use it to help get the win bonus. Sam doesnt owe the fans or Spencer anything when it comes to feeding his mouth. He showed hes not one dimensional and people can say whatever they want, Sam timed those takedowns perfectly and they were really nice.



Without fans, he doesn't get fed, so yes, he does owe the fans.
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Reggie Warren Jr -  As much as I wouldve liked to see the fight stay standing, it really didnt make any sense for Sam since he was losing the exchanges.

Spencer said himself afterwards that its not a boxing match, so Sam did what he had to do and if you work on your wrestling every day...you might as well use it to help get the win bonus. Sam doesnt owe the fans or Spencer anything when it comes to feeding his mouth. He showed hes not one dimensional and people can say whatever they want, Sam timed those takedowns perfectly and they were really nice.



Without fans, he doesn't get fed, so yes, he does owe the fans.
Yes. This is true to a certain degree, but if you're losing the fight standing in MMA...you are allowed to transition to another part of mixed martial arts called wrestling. I think Spencer won the fight, but by making it to that cage with everything that went down prior to...he won the fight.
 
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 And there are plenty of fighters in the UFC who dont have a lot of fans and still get fed.
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lol!
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Still think he should have lost that fight. The vast majority of the damage Fisher took was at the end of the 3rd. However damage and effectiveness doesn't play a role in MMA judging most of the time. Being on top for a little while apparently is better than getting your ass kicked the rest of the time. Even if you are on top most of the time, such as Mousasi/Lawal, if you are getting your ass kicked you should lose the fight. Lawal looked like a movie monster after that fight.
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 and if you want to watch something entertaining, check out the defense of Fisher in the 1st round after he gets taken down. I dont think Stout lands a single elbow or strike. he blocks or moves out of the way.

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