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7/7/12 1:36 AM
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Samoa - Federal?  I'm not a constitutional scholar but postal service, roads, transportation............I think "general welfare" is where it gets dicey.

Can I ask you a question? Have you ever even read the constitution even one time.

In college; why? are those things not included?!
7/7/12 1:38 AM
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i am asking you?
7/7/12 1:42 AM
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I said, in college (yes).  Are those things not included?  I'm asking you.
7/7/12 2:00 AM
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Even if the budget was unlimited the dens and the republicans would find a way to spend it all. That is the problem, I don't mind paying a little more if it goes to a just cause but the FACT is the federal government spends money like we breath air. Neither party has the people's interest in mind and people seem to love it. There is no hope for this country either way, a candidate with real beliefs and a record to prove it comes along and people just eat what there fed by the state run media that say he must be a nut job. We will get what we deserve at this point. Phone Post
7/7/12 2:03 AM
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I am asking you to explain to me
7/7/12 2:04 AM
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Arzn1ck - Even if the budget was unlimited the dens and the republicans would find a way to spend it all. That is the problem, I don't mind paying a little more if it goes to a just cause but the FACT is the federal government spends money like we breath air. Neither party has the people's interest in mind and people seem to love it. There is no hope for this country either way, a candidate with real beliefs and a record to prove it comes along and people just eat what there fed by the state run media that say he must be a nut job. We will get what we deserve at this point. <img src="/images/phone/apple.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>









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7/7/12 2:34 AM
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awilson82 - How about those of us who believe in limited government, reduced government spending, reduced entitlements, and all the constitution including the 2A? Granted the repubs aren't for all those things but they are closer than the dems. <img src="/images/phone/apple.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>




Either you're joking or retarded. The GOP hasn't been ANYTHING REMOTELY CLOSE TO THIS IN YEARS! Seriously, thats like saying I'm voting for Coke over Pepsi cause I hate soda.
7/7/12 4:17 AM
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Daniel Carver - What is wrong with me wanting to keep what I earn? I do enough for the poor as it is.




Nothing, but you like safe streets to drive on, you like the fire department or ems or the police responding if you dial 911 and you like public education. That stuff is not free. If you don't like paying taxes you could simply leave the USA. However, you won't, because you know however much you bitch, we have lower taxes than most of the first world.


You could practice medicine in Somalia, no taxes there.
not the point, and obviously he's not complaining about those taxes. why should he have to bail out the poor people who dont apply themselves as well as he does. it's punishing capitalism and hard work by endorsing entitlement and laziness. IF YOU ARE POOR IT'S NOBODYS FAULT BUT YOUR OWN DON'T EXPECT HAND OUTS BECAUSE HARD WORKING PEOPLE MAKE MORE AND IT'S NOT FAIR. Phone Post
7/7/12 9:54 AM
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awilson82 - How about those of us who believe in limited government, reduced government spending, reduced entitlements, and all the constitution including the 2A? Granted the repubs aren't for all those things but they are closer than the dems. <img src="/images/phone/apple.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>




Either you're joking or retarded. The GOP hasn't been ANYTHING REMOTELY CLOSE TO THIS IN YEARS! Seriously, thats like saying I'm voting for Coke over Pepsi cause I hate soda.
Apparently u missed my last sentence.

I kno they aren't but they are a fuck of a lot better than the Dems and since those are the only choices we get I'll pick the less wrong one.

I'm really an independent all I want is a party to protect the constitution, reduce gov size and spending, maintain a strong military, not give a shit about social issues, and reduce welfare and foreign aid. Phone Post
7/7/12 12:33 PM
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Nothing, but you like safe streets to drive on, you like the fire department or ems or the police responding if you dial 911 and you like public education. That stuff is not free.
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Those shouldn't be federal programs / federal tax. Those should be local. I'm talking about the size and scope of the federal government. (excluding interstate freeways). Phone Post
7/8/12 7:25 AM
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Daniel Carver - What is wrong with me wanting to keep what I earn? I do enough for the poor as it is.


i thought you work in the ER


you basically are paid by the govt. whats the big deal if they wsant some back
Probably cause that's what he earned while working. It's understandable to me if you wanted to keep what you worked for Phone Post
9/16/12 4:50 AM
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awilson82 -  How about those of us who believe in limited government, reduced government spending, reduced entitlements, and all the constitution including the 2A? Granted the repubs aren't for all those things but they are closer than the dems. Phone Post

You mean limited government - as in threatening a woman with jail or even death if she doesn't have as many children as the government wants her to have?

That's the problem: The righties are only for "limited government" when it suits them.  They're a bunch of hypocrites.
9/16/12 11:05 AM
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awilson82 -  How about those of us who believe in limited government, reduced government spending, reduced entitlements, and all the constitution including the 2A? Granted the repubs aren't for all those things but they are closer than the dems. Phone Post

You mean limited government - as in threatening a woman with jail or even death if she doesn't have as many children as the government wants her to have?

That's the problem: The righties are only for "limited government" when it suits them.  They're a bunch of hypocrites.
Guess what scooter I could give a fuck about abortion im actually pro abortion for women who dont want a kid. Or drug enforcement or any of the other social bs so u can drop that act right now. I'm much closer to a libertarian which is what the tea party was before it was ruined by stupid neocons.

Both sides suck the right sucks a little less for me. Phone Post
9/16/12 12:01 PM
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awilson82 -  How about those of us who believe in limited government, reduced government spending, reduced entitlements, and all the constitution including the 2A? Granted the repubs aren't for all those things but they are closer than the dems. Phone Post

You mean limited government - as in threatening a woman with jail or even death if she doesn't have as many children as the government wants her to have?

That's the problem: The righties are only for "limited government" when it suits them.  They're a bunch of hypocrites.
If your talking about abortion your an idiot, no ones forcing anyone to get pregnant. Phone Post
9/16/12 11:10 PM
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awilson82 -  How about those of us who believe in limited government, reduced government spending, reduced entitlements, and all the constitution including the 2A? Granted the repubs aren't for all those things but they are closer than the dems. Phone Post

You mean limited government - as in threatening a woman with jail or even death if she doesn't have as many children as the government wants her to have?

That's the problem: The righties are only for "limited government" when it suits them.  They're a bunch of hypocrites.
Guess what scooter I could give a fuck about abortion im actually pro abortion for women who dont want a kid. Or drug enforcement or any of the other social bs so u can drop that act right now. I'm much closer to a libertarian which is what the tea party was before it was ruined by stupid neocons.

Both sides suck the right sucks a little less for me. Phone Post

Awilson82, if what you're saying about your self is true, then you are NOT a modern republican. And you're wrong, the modern right doesn't "suck less" then the Dems. They suck just as bad. Don't be fooled.
9/17/12 12:46 AM
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awilson82 -  How about those of us who believe in limited government, reduced government spending, reduced entitlements, and all the constitution including the 2A? Granted the repubs aren't for all those things but they are closer than the dems. Phone Post

You mean limited government - as in threatening a woman with jail or even death if she doesn't have as many children as the government wants her to have?

That's the problem: The righties are only for "limited government" when it suits them.  They're a bunch of hypocrites.
Guess what scooter I could give a fuck about abortion im actually pro abortion for women who dont want a kid. Or drug enforcement or any of the other social bs so u can drop that act right now. I'm much closer to a libertarian which is what the tea party was before it was ruined by stupid neocons.

Both sides suck the right sucks a little less for me. Phone Post

Awilson82, if what you're saying about your self is true, then you are NOT a modern republican. And you're wrong, the modern right doesn't "suck less" then the Dems. They suck just as bad. Don't be fooled.
I'm truly not a republican at heart but am in practice bc for me they do suck less if for no other reason than ill keep my 2a rights and i kno there wont be more dumb emissions or other rules which will inhibit my continuing to build and modify cars.

often like in the upcoming election I'll vote repub not bc I want Romney but bc I don't want Obama to pick two maybe three supreme court justices that's how the same cycle continues sure but sometimes u have to vote with ur head not ur heart.

Ideally I think the best thing would b if Romney wins but libertarians get a few percent then Romney sucks and disappoints many on the right who vote libertarian big in 2016. Phone Post
10/15/12 8:17 AM
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awilson82 -  More of us wouldn't mind paying taxes if the government didn't blow our money on stupid shit and give it to those who don't contribute. Phone Post

What do you mean with "don't contribute"? Those who do not contribute at the moment, may have contributed in the past. This political dichotomy in America is creating a black/white point of view.

What about those that worked hard their entire life, just to have the economy crumble beneath their feet and lose everything. What about those who work hard in the colemines or on construction and get cancer or any other lifethreathening disease and can't go to work anymore and are incapeble of paying all their hospitalbills? Should all these people and their families just be forgotten and pushed aside?

If government does not issue taxes to pay for people who had this kind of misfortune, these peoples lives would be lost and with that the hope that they might contribute in the future.

What about simple things like well kept roads? Safe roads without holes and such to keep people from crashing and dying? People that might have been great contributors? Safe roads, military, infrastructure, healthcare, education, wellfare,... These are all things you might not like, but trust me, they are very necessary. They are in place to protect all people of America, to make sure that they survive the harch winter, and have them contribute to society once again.

You should make a problem however of people raping the system because of several individual reasons. The system should be adapted to make sure that people can't misuse it. Make the current system better to witstand misuse.
10/15/12 9:15 AM
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awilson82 -  More of us wouldn't mind paying taxes if the government didn't blow our money on stupid shit and give it to those who don't contribute. Phone Post

What do you mean with "don't contribute"? Those who do not contribute at the moment, may have contributed in the past. This political dichotomy in America is creating a black/white point of view.

What about those that worked hard their entire life, just to have the economy crumble beneath their feet and lose everything. What about those who work hard in the colemines or on construction and get cancer or any other lifethreathening disease and can't go to work anymore and are incapeble of paying all their hospitalbills? Should all these people and their families just be forgotten and pushed aside?

If government does not issue taxes to pay for people who had this kind of misfortune, these peoples lives would be lost and with that the hope that they might contribute in the future.

What about simple things like well kept roads? Safe roads without holes and such to keep people from crashing and dying? People that might have been great contributors? Safe roads, military, infrastructure, healthcare, education, wellfare,... These are all things you might not like, but trust me, they are very necessary. They are in place to protect all people of America, to make sure that they survive the harch winter, and have them contribute to society once again.

You should make a problem however of people raping the system because of several individual reasons. The system should be adapted to make sure that people can't misuse it. Make the current system better to witstand misuse.

I have no problem with stopgap assistance nor with low income assistance. I have a problem with people who live their entire lives on the dole and try to scam the system for every cent they can. Those with an illness and those trying hard to find good work are contributing but there are also many who dont. Remove the misuse and put a time limit and other restrictions on welfare and Im fine with it hell increase it if you can do both those things.

Also did you not read where I said stupid shit ie useless wars (Iraq) and government waste and over spending not to mention corruption?  Roads, military, police, etc are all important and Im fine with that what we dont need is congress buying $20 muffins and blowing money on projects that dont need done and serve no point.

Ive worked for a couple different government offices I used to build the roads and believe me there is corruption and waste in a massive scale on every level of government. The US government is the worst money managing entity in the history of mankind.


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