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7/8/12 3:00 PM
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The beginning of the end was vintage Anderson Silva, avoiding a ferocious jab and spinning elbow like a scene out of The Matrix.

Then came the flying knee to a grounded Sonnen.

The fight ended shortly thereafter.

Tracy Lee managed to catch the moment of impact. It had appeared to many to be to the face, an illegal attack on a downed opponent.

While the point of the knee clearly drove into Sonnen's chest, some part of the knee also appeared to connect with Sonnen's head, but perhaps without significant impact. However, in determining the legality of a strike, referees are instructed to assess the responsibility of BOTH parties.

For example, if a punch is thrown, and would have hit clean at the moment it was launched, but the defensive fighter turns and is thus hit on the back of the head, the blow is not illegal. That is the case here. When the knee was initiated, its path was to a legal target. To the extent that Sonnen was struck in the face, it is because he leaned into it.

Another factor is holding the fence. Under the Unified Rules, the hand can be placed on the fence, but the fingers cannot extend through, changing the play of the game. There is a degree of ambiguity on that score, with some observers seeing the fingers through the fence as steading Silva, and thus aiding the knee, while others see it only as being placed on the fence without the fingers reaching through to effect.

“You know, he got me with a good shot,” Sonnen told UFC color commentator Joe Rogan immediately after the fight. “I was on the ground and he got me with a good knee; other than that, I’m just going to have to look at the tape.”

Yves Lavigne, one of the best in the business, called the attack legal.

The controversial technique started at the weigh ins, where Silva, incensed by months of goading by Sonnen, shoulder bumped the Gangster from Oregon in the face.

 

Before the fight even began, Silva clearly wiped his hands over the legally applied grease on his face, and then wiped his chest, something he has done previously:

An alert Lavigne intervened, and towelled off Silva before the fight began.

The first round was a repeat of the first fight (sans Triangle), with Sonnen manhandling Silva, ending the round in full mount on the Brazilian black belt.

The second round was different. Silva landed to Sonnen's face, and the fight turned around abruptly.

However, the standing portion of the fight was marred by unfortunate tactics, including blatant holding of the shorts.

Tim Kennedy summed up the feelings of many, via Twitter.

"Wipe grease on your arms, grab your opponent shorts, and knee them in the face when they are down. That's how champions should act?"

Anderson Silva is the greatest pound for pound fighter in the sport, maybe ever.

After the fight was over he gave a magnanimous speech to the crowd, exhorting his countrymen not to boo, to show that Brazilians understand respect. He even gave Sonnen an invite to come over for a BBQ, putting months or harsh talk to needed rest.

But did Anderson Silva fight dirty at UFC 148? 

And does it matter?


7/8/12 3:03 PM
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One of the dirtiest fights I've seen in the Octagon. Wasn't sure if I was watching Silva or Koscheck out there.
7/8/12 3:03 PM
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 Calo is that U?
7/8/12 3:05 PM
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Did Anderson fail a post-fight drug test for anabolic steroids? Phone Post
7/8/12 3:06 PM
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Short grabbing, chest wiping, semi questionable knees.....anyone can be a champ fighting like that Phone Post
7/8/12 3:08 PM
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bornop -  Yep and Sonnen fought dirty at 117 so they're even. Phone Post

 No, it doesn't work like that. Yes he juiced, yes its BS and illegal. That said, Anderson shouldered Chael, greased up, grabbed his shorts, and grabbed the cage for the knee (which seemed legal; whether Andy meant for it to be is unknown). If he can beat a roided Sonnen, why'd he have to cheat this time to do it?

That is exactly what separates the GOAT from the rest, no matter what the other person is doing, you don't take the coward's way out (cheating), that's what makes you great and the rest...well the rest.

You would never see Fedor grease up or pull illegal shit like that. GOAT is who you've beat and how, but its also your personality and what you do for the sport. Why you think Ali is considered the GOAT in boxing? Anderson will never be the greatest because of his personality, and his refusal to fight ppl his own size, or take any superfights.
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wrx08sti - Short grabbing, chest wiping, semi questionable knees.....anyone can be a champ fighting like that <img src="/images/phone/droid.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>

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7/8/12 3:08 PM
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wrx08sti -  Short grabbing, chest wiping, semi questionable knees.....anyone can be a champ fighting like that Phone Post

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7/8/12 3:09 PM
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You guys are so butthurt.

Penaten cream will help with that. Phone Post
7/8/12 3:09 PM
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Yea dirty. Nothing to bad tho just something that will always be brought up. Phone Post
7/8/12 3:11 PM
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Mitt Romney 2012 -  Anderson Silva is the greatest fighter of all time. Not Fedor not GSP and not Shael Sonnen.

Can we stop with the excuses now? Phone Post

 If you truly believe that any of what Silva did was okay, then you are nothing more than a mindless nuthugging Zuffa fan boy. This was bad for the sport and the fact that he was not warned for any of this is ridiculous.

AS fans are the worst, they live in denial and their logic never seems to be supported by anything factual.
7/8/12 3:12 PM
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2 (actually 3) things we should all agree on are:

1. Chael never really tapped in the first fight.
2. Silva won the 2nd fight with an illegal knee.

3. The one and only Chael P. Sonnen is still the undisputed MW Champion, and classy as balls.

Brothers, can I get an Amen?
7/8/12 3:12 PM
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Kirik clean this bullshit up! Who ever posted this should be ashamed, 1 people crying about the chest bump are pitiful, 2 the Vaseline was wiped off, and3 it WAS CLEARLY A LEGAL KNEE! Phone Post
7/8/12 3:12 PM
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That gif of Anderson wiping Vaseline on his body isn't even from last night, he's wearing different shorts. He did it again but they wiped him off. The short grabbing warranted a warning but no more and the knee was completely legal. Phone Post
7/8/12 3:13 PM
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Didn't really affect the fight so whatever. The strike was 100% legal btw.
7/8/12 3:16 PM
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AS fans are the worst, they live in denial and their logic never seems to be supported by anything factual.


Troll. Chael fans have lived in denial since the first fight, in which Chael popped dirty, and still lost, yet somehow they defend him and act as if he's some sort of American hero. Chael cheated, lost, then got finished again last night with a 100% legal knee and GNP. Get over it fool.

Fact, AS finished Chael twice.
Fact, Chael cheated, and on his best day STILL couldn't win
Fact, Chael admitted to grabbing Anderson's shorts
Fact, the knee was 100% undoubtedly irrefutably legal

Log off and move along troll.
7/8/12 3:17 PM
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WOW. A lot of work put into this troll thread.

What a bunch of crap.

None of this alleged cheating had any impact on the fight.
7/8/12 3:19 PM
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AS fans are the worst, they live in denial and their logic never seems to be supported by anything factual.


Troll. Chael fans have lived in denial since the first fight, in which Chael popped dirty, and still lost, yet somehow they defend him and act as if he's some sort of American hero. Chael cheated, lost, then got finished again last night with a 100% legal knee and GNP. Get over it fool.

Fact, AS finished Chael twice.
Fact, Chael cheated, and on his best day STILL couldn't win
Fact, Chael admitted to grabbing Anderson's shorts
Fact, the knee was 100% undoubtedly irrefutably legal

Log off and move along troll.
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7/8/12 3:19 PM
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The fight was the dirtiest I've seen in along time. Silva's fouls went unchecked by the Lavigne. Sonnen looked like he had a horrible weight cut and threw that ridiculous spinning elbow that eventualy lost him the fight by way of and illegal knee... The fight just sucked
7/8/12 3:19 PM
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Fact: I still love Chael Sonnen.

Fact: He is classy in defeat.

Fact: I hope to see him get the belt before he hangs them up.

7/8/12 3:20 PM
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*Edit 3rd Fact: He deserves to get the belt before he hangs them up.

Sorry, shouldn't have gone all first person there with facts, but Chael does that to me <-- Fact.
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LMAO - you conveniently misstate the Unified Rules. The fingers can extend though as long as there is NO GRAB .... which there wasn't !!!!

"Under the Unified Rules, the hand can be placed on the fence, but the fingers cannot extend through, changing the play of the game."


The following are fouls and will result in penalties if committed:

1. Holding or grabbing the fence;

A fighter may put their hands on the fence and push off of it at anytime. A fighter may place their feet onto the cage and have their toes go through the fencing material at any time. When a fighter's fingers or toes go through the cage and grab hold of the fence and start to control either their body position or their opponent's body position it now becomes an illegal action. A fighter may not grab the ropes or wrap their arms over the ring ropes at any time. If a fighter is caught holding the fence, cage or ring rope material the referee shall issue a one-point deduction from the offending fighters scorecard if the foul caused a substantial change in position such as the avoidance of a takedown If a point deduction for holding the fence occurs, and because of the infraction, the fouling fighter ends up in a superior position due to the foul, the fighters should be re-started by the referee, standing in a neutral position
7/8/12 3:22 PM
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What a horseshit troll thread. Quit calling the goddamn knee questionable because everyone under the sun INCLUDING CHAEL has said its as legal. I expect shit like this from JustPeed or any of the other numerous Chael fanboys clinging to Chael's nuts, but this shouldn't be coming from the UG blog.

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Barreled - Knee was completely legal. Hand on the fence was as he was delivering knee. LEGAL.

Vaseline had absolutely no impact. Its not like he bathed in baby oil before their fight like some fighters.

Short grabbing for less than 5 seconds didnt change a thing either.
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UGCTT_Winnson - Fact: I still love Chael Sonnen.

Fact: He is classy in defeat.




Good Winnson, I would hope a fight like that wouldn't cause you to waiver. If only his apologists were as classy as he was.

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