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7/8/12 6:05 PM
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In terms of pure technique, who would be the best fighter for someone new to the sport to model themselves after? I'm hoping to avoid fighters who relied on great natural power, reflexes, or speed, and instead owed their winning record to their superior boxing technique and knowledge.

Off the top of my head Julio Cesar Chavez, Joe Louis, and Bernard Hopkins come to mind. Who would you pick?
7/8/12 11:08 PM
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Winky Wright, whether you're orthodox or southpaw. Technically sound. Great, tight defense with the guard always up - VERY hard to get a clean shot on him in his prime. Great counter puncher. There's a reason so many fighters avoided him.
7/8/12 11:44 PM
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Some of my favorites:

James Toney.

Kostya Tszyu.

Mike McCallum.

Ricardo Lopez. Or most any Nacho Beristain-trained fighter (Juan Manuel Marquez comes to mind too.)

Alexis Arguello.

Ezzard Charles.

Gene Tunney.
7/9/12 9:42 AM
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Naseem Hamed

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7/9/12 1:40 PM
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Mike Tyson, Jack Dempsey, Roberto Duran.
7/9/12 2:52 PM
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All depends on your body type too. With that in mind I would go Hatton , Dempsy and Tyson. You said try to avoid natural power, speed and reflexes but I think all pros have this to a degree or they wouldn't be pros . Phone Post
7/9/12 3:27 PM
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I'll go with toney. As a fat unfit heavyweight he was still winning purely due to his skills. I understand the heavyweight division was rather weak at the time but still impressive Phone Post
7/10/12 8:37 AM
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7/10/12 6:24 PM
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In my mind, you should find fighter who is similar to your body type with good fundamentals to emulate. If you are a 5'10 heavyweight, you should not emulate Richardo Lopez.

As you begin to mature, you find your own style and what you are comfortable with. That is a big sign that you are maturing, you aren't copying others, you are coming into your own, still learning, borrowing and copying from others when it makes sense.

Now, if you want strategy to fight a style, find the best examples and copy them. For example, if you are getting outboxed, watch SRL vs Duran I, how did Duran dominate Ray? What did he do that you can borrow from? Some of those fundamental concepts don't change.
7/10/12 7:34 PM
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Willie pep! Louis lastarza, rocky marciano, but im italian american. Aside from that! My fav bernard hopkins. Even in the LTheavyweight he is sharp and crisp! Bernard tuled the middleweight division with an iron fist! Phone Post
7/11/12 1:02 AM
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7/15/12 5:26 PM
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Spartan79 - All depends on your body type too. With that in mind I would go Hatton , Dempsy and Tyson. You said try to avoid natural power, speed and reflexes but I think all pros have this to a degree or they wouldn't be pros . <img src="/images/phone/apple.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>


I didn't say to avoid it, i said a style that didn't rely on it. So RJJ may have been a fantastic boxer, but his style relied massively on quick reflexes so wouldn't be a great style for other to emulate. On a similar note, i think Toney relied on quick reflexes as well. There aren't many people who could slip and dodge punches the way he did.

Ricardo Lopez is a good example that i had forgotten about. I also like Hatton as a prototype for a busy body puncher.
7/15/12 9:07 PM
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7/16/12 3:22 AM
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Hulc ( I'm hoping to avoid fighters who relied on great natural power, reflexes, or speed, and instead owed their winning record to their superior boxing .)
I get what you mean though mate.
As I said body type plays a big part in this IMO .
Hatton was a beast at light welter . I did hear he's back in training . Phone Post
7/21/12 4:08 AM
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LordSeano - Naseem Hamed

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7/21/12 4:08 AM
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PoundforPound - Some of my favorites:

James Toney.

Kostya Tszyu.

Mike McCallum.

Ricardo Lopez. Or most any Nacho Beristain-trained fighter (Juan Manuel Marquez comes to mind too.)

Alexis Arguello.

Ezzard Charles.

Gene Tunney.
Nice fuckin list. Toney was brilliant. Phone Post
7/21/12 3:12 PM
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7/21/12 3:13 PM
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buddie - Again, depends on who you are and what natural tools you have to use. If I had a fighter who was a proto-type boxer I'd show tapes of the following:


Vernon Forrest
Meldrick Taylor
Terry Norris
Joe Louis
Michael Nunn
Floyd
There are lots of good amateurs who were pure boxers fundamentally that you can show/emulate (guys like Augie Sanchez)

Guys like Tunney were brilliant, but the film quality is so poor its hard to observe the subtle movements they used that helped make them very effective.

For advanced "wrinkles"

Archie Moore
Joe Walcott
Hopkins
Mayweather
Pernell (did some really cool things that you can steal from (the hip spins etc., some of the stuff he did is too far out to copy/teach)


7/21/12 3:14 PM
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7/23/12 2:46 PM
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 i would say, winky wright or vernon forrest. those guys had a style that even when faced against faster or physically superior fighters it didn't make a difference.
7/23/12 3:11 PM
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buddie - Pernell (did some really cool things that you can steal from (the hip spins etc., some of the stuff he did is too far out to copy/teach)


Yeah, I couldn't see myself emulating a lot of Whitaker's bag of tricks. Plus he was a southpaw and it's hard to borrow from them since everything they do seems backwards.

Trying to copy from Manny Pacquiao gives me the same problem.
7/23/12 4:11 PM
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Do yourself a favor and look up Salvador Sanchez you won't regret it! Greatest Mexican fighter of all time who's life was cut short in his prime. Talk about technique! Phone Post
7/23/12 10:52 PM
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You shouldn't model yourself after any fighter at first. Practice your fundamentals and let your natural assets and liabilities dictate what your style will be.

By all means, copy particular moves from fighters, but don't try to shoehorn yourself into another person's style.

For example, Dwight Qawi was a 5'6 light heavy with short arms...so of course he was a swarmer, right?

Wrong, he was a counter puncher. He'd get those taller guys to lead and wreck 'em.

Keep your weight centered or slightly back, never square up, make him have to deal with your jab...and your style will emerge all on its own.
7/23/12 11:09 PM
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martinburke - You shouldn't model yourself after any fighter at first. Practice your fundamentals and let your natural assets and liabilities dictate what your style will be.

By all means, copy particular moves from fighters, but don't try to shoehorn yourself into another person's style.

For example, Dwight Qawi was a 5'6 light heavy with short arms...so of course he was a swarmer, right?

Wrong, he was a counter puncher. He'd get those taller guys to lead and wreck 'em.

Keep your weight centered or slightly back, never square up, make him have to deal with your jab...and your style will emerge all on its own.
This man knows of what he speaks of. Phone Post
8/18/12 9:08 AM
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buddie - Again, depends on who you are and what natural tools you have to use. If I had a fighter who was a proto-type boxer I'd show tapes of the following:


Vernon Forrest
Meldrick Taylor
Terry Norris
Joe Louis
Michael Nunn
Floyd
There are lots of good amateurs who were pure boxers fundamentally that you can show/emulate (guys like Augie Sanchez)

Guys like Tunney were brilliant, but the film quality is so poor its hard to observe the subtle movements they used that helped make them very effective.

For advanced "wrinkles"

Archie Moore
Joe Walcott
Hopkins
Mayweather
Pernell (did some really cool things that you can steal from (the hip spins etc., some of the stuff he did is too far out to copy/teach)



Cool to see Meldrick Taylor on there...seems people always forget that dude.

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