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8/23/12 2:14 AM
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WillyMaunawili
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Hopkins and Tito Trinidad are two guys I've always admired for their skill and fundamentally based styles. Phone Post
8/23/12 6:34 AM
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Sorry for not keeping up with this thread, i've been travelling loads and lost track of a few things!

Following on from Martin's point about only copying techniques but not whole styles, what techniques would you choose from what fights?

And yes i know this is all hypothetical and a listening to a real trainers input is probably best. :)
8/23/12 11:46 AM
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Here is my thought. If you are a competitive fighter, you should be watching a lot of video.

Part of having a mental picture of how to execute something or how to deal with a potential problem is to visualize it. So you watch video of people who do what you need to do, but do it really well. You visualize that it is you doing it and, after a while, it can make a believer out of you.

Fighters are going to emulate their heroes - period. Even Emanuel Steward (post Lewis vs Tyson) said he'd always get 6'4 heavyweights who wanted to fight like Tyson.

After a while you develop your own style, you find what works for you. You experiment, you get more and more comfortable and you become yourself. But until you know what the hell you are doing, copy someone who does.
8/23/12 1:24 PM
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Watching lots of videos is an enormous advantage. Try things and see if they fit.

You can see how different fighters use the same punch or technique for distinct purposes. For example, Ali used his jab not to hurt guys, but to continually knock them off-balance and to disrupt their rhythm.

Sonny Liston tried to pound the other guy with his jab and create distance.

You can see how Joe Louis would change speeds on his jab, how he would use it to lift the opponent's head for a right hand. And you can see how by never reaching with the jab, Louis was able to fire combinations off of it like a human threshing machine.

Watch how Joe Frazier plants his left foot when he hooks, and notice how Joe Louis keeps his RIGHT foot planted when he hooks. Try both. See what suits you.



8/23/12 6:19 PM
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WillyMaunawili
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Awesome Martin Phone Post
8/25/12 3:32 AM
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HULC
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Good couple of posts right there, thanks.
8/29/12 10:57 PM
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THat depends on a lot of your natural abilities . Whether you can take a decent punch ,whether you have tough skin , good reflexes basically all the things you can't really teach.
Personally i would model myself after my #1 fighter of all time Julio Cesar Chevez.
He had good punching power ,but incredible stamina and the ability to maintain i high rate of punching with that amount of power. His body punching was second to none ,tough chin ,skin tough as any in history. The biggest misconception about Chavez was that he was a pure brawler ,which is not true. He could box very well as was the case when he went up against his old training partner ,very good friend and almost mirror image Jose Luis ramirez .
I just loved how chavez worked that body early and went to the head later on once he felt the opponent was wilting and losing his foot speed.

If pacman wants to know how to beat Floydd ,tell him to grab a tape of Chavez v Mayweather's Uncle Roger! Chavez would have tore Pretty boy a new one i would put my house on that.
8/30/12 5:10 PM
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I think it is just good for guys to watch a lot of fights, watch sparring, read about boxing, shadow box so much you do it in your sleep. Eat, drink, sleep boxing.

I love boxing in all weight classes when it is well done. I have watched fights and I have seen something and all the sudden its like a light comes on. I understand a set up better, or a wrinkle, a twist whatever. It helps you to mentally visualize which is so critical.
8/30/12 9:23 PM
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nat turner - The biggest misconception about Chavez was that he was a pure brawler ,which is not true. He could box very well as was the case when he went up against his old training partner ,very good friend and almost mirror image Jose Luis ramirez .


He was not without some defensive skills. Kind of underrated in that area, probably due to his offense being so good.

9/7/12 3:52 AM
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Andre ward Phone Post 3.0
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Bucky Boyd is very impressive watch with his technical prowess. I spoke to Nacho Bernstein recently and he told me that Bucky is reverently referred to throughout Mexico as "WVCB" (apparently short for West Virginia Charley Burley) due to his vast similarities to the former welterweight and middleweight great.

All bullshit aside, a good point to start is to simply watch a handful of greats and try to figure out what made them special. See if you pick up on a couple of the moves that Henry Armstrong liked to use when fighting inside or try to figure out what techniques were employed by guys like Gene Tunney or Ezzard Charles to keep a fight at range. Personally, I am a huge fan of watching videos on Joe Louis. Absent perhaps his lack of head movement, damn near everything that Louis did was text book perfect. Phone Post 3.0
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Chappie, what do you think of this?

http://fightsgoneby.blogspot.com/2012/07/examining-joe-louis-blackburn-crouch.html


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