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7/11/12 3:48 PM
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7/11/12 3:48 PM
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i think the article pretty clearly addresses the "lack of division" argument that everyone just parrots from dana..if they put ronda on a card tomorrow, it would sell...if they never do another women's card again after that, who carres? what is the damage?
7/11/12 3:48 PM
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Yeah, let them in the UFC. Phone Post
7/11/12 3:54 PM
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So it's ok for Antonia silva to look like he fell face first into a saw blade, but it's not ok for jennifer tate to have a knot on her brow? What you prefer being based on gender says something about how you think.
7/11/12 4:23 PM
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7/11/12 4:27 PM
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How many times does it have to be pointed out that there are not enough good women fighters to make a division before people shut the fuck up about this?
7/11/12 4:32 PM
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There were not enough good HW's in the UFC for over a decade to really 'make' that division but that never forced the UFC to shut it down.

the division argument being shallow is stupid.
7/11/12 4:37 PM
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I dont think I could actually name more than 2 female fighters without looking it up on teh google.
7/11/12 4:38 PM
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valetudosuperfight - There were not enough good HW's in the UFC for over a decade to really 'make' that division but that never forced the UFC to shut it down.

the division argument being shallow is stupid.

 yeah i dont get it...does a division sell ppvs or do superstars sell ppvs? look at ufc 149..are you telling me you cant insert ronda v. XYZ anywhere on that card to make it more enticing? heck, ronda v. xyz would get more views than munoz v. weidman...
7/11/12 4:45 PM
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kungfugrip - ufc fans already bitch about not enough big names on the fight cards even though there are more ufc now then before. Add women's divisions is going to make it worse.

Make strikeforce a home for women would be the best

7/11/12 4:52 PM
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not sure if its cause there are so many insecure men on here or what but damn women are more exciting than guys, the ufc is missing alot of great mathcups and could build some great female divisions


zuffa would love to keep women in the kitchen, thers not even a female fight this weekened on strikeforce, its as if they dont care, how the hell is womens mma supposed to grow when the zuffa gang has no respect for females?
7/11/12 4:54 PM
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valetudosuperfight - There were not enough good HW's in the UFC for over a decade to really 'make' that division but that never forced the UFC to shut it down.

the division argument being shallow is stupid.


great point
7/11/12 5:08 PM
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"but there is also a market of women who want to watch female athletes competing on TV. Take the WNBA, for example, which has been up and running for the past 15 years and usually brings in more viewers than UFC shows on FUEL TV. And let's face it, the WNBA is a horrible product"

This is intentionally deceiving.

The WNBA is not self-sustaining and there is no serious large scale demand for most women's sports.

The public at large likes watching females doing feminine sports like gymnastics, skating or tennis.

The WNBA is kept alive by piggybacking on the NBA's profit money and being subsidized.

There is no shot of that shit flying in the UFC.

Fist-fighting is not a female activity. Nobody wants to see smaller, weaker, less skilled people fight for 50 bucks a ppv.

The ONLY female fighters to this day that people have cared to see are the ones that are either hot or willing to take their clothes off. Or both.
7/11/12 5:12 PM
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JkdSam -  Women have the right to fight if they want, but with that said, I have no interest in watching a woman mess up another woman's face, and I won't watch it.

Agreed. No interest in watching women fight.
Agreed. And such a small talent pool ... less then 4 or 5 matchups Phone Post
7/11/12 5:19 PM
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How is fist fighting and fighting in general not a female acitivty, Helwig?

7/11/12 5:22 PM
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HELWIG - "but there is also a market of women who want to watch female athletes competing on TV. Take the WNBA, for example, which has been up and running for the past 15 years and usually brings in more viewers than UFC shows on FUEL TV. And let's face it, the WNBA is a horrible product"

This is intentionally deceiving.

The WNBA is not self-sustaining and there is no serious large scale demand for most women's sports.

The public at large likes watching females doing feminine sports like gymnastics, skating or tennis.

The WNBA is kept alive by piggybacking on the NBA's profit money and being subsidized.

There is no shot of that shit flying in the UFC.

Fist-fighting is not a female activity. Nobody wants to see smaller, weaker, less skilled people fight for 50 bucks a ppv.

The ONLY female fighters to this day that people have cared to see are the ones that are either hot or willing to take their clothes off. Or both.

 noone wants to see it? then how did carano/cyborg beat fedor, hendo and diaz in the ratings?

i dont think anyone expects women to take over the ufc, or be a majority on each card or even be on every card.

its been proven, women CAN draw. some wont like it, but some dont like anything.
7/11/12 5:24 PM
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valetudosuperfight - There were not enough good HW's in the UFC for over a decade to really 'make' that division but that never forced the UFC to shut it down.

the division argument being shallow is stupid.


great point
They did retire 155 for several years. Phone Post
7/11/12 5:35 PM
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I'd love to see female fighters in UFC. Watching the ladies fight has been the highlight of my night for many a Strikeforce event.

They could kick it off with an all female TUF to generate interest =)All those women cooped up for weeks on end? Should be fun lol.
7/11/12 5:51 PM
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MIKE CIESNOLEVICZ - There are not enough women to actually have competitive divisions IMO. Women in the UFC is about 10 yrs away at least. They need more numbers of talented women.

Besides the few world class athletes that are out there most of the mid level womens MMA looks like back yard brawls I was in at 10 yrs old.
I've got nothing but respect for you mike and normally agree with your posts but I have to disagree here. Granted there isn't the depth in wmma that the men's divisions have overall but there is enough at 125,135 to field legit divisions. Phone Post
7/11/12 6:06 PM
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MIKE CIESNOLEVICZ - There are not enough women to actually have competitive divisions IMO. Women in the UFC is about 10 yrs away at least. They need more numbers of talented women.

Besides the few world class athletes that are out there most of the mid level womens MMA looks like back yard brawls I was in at 10 yrs old.
I've got nothing but respect for you mike and normally agree with your posts but I have to disagree here. Granted there isn't the depth in wmma that the men's divisions have overall but there is enough at 125,135 to field legit divisions. Phone Post



Maybe if they just made one division, 135lbs and thats it. Still there are maybe 6 chicks top that could all rotate fighting each other but it would always been McMann, Rousey and Cyborg at the top rotating for title shots. Coenen, Tate, Kaufman would fall right below them. There are a few others here and there but none that would beat the above mentioned.
7/11/12 6:14 PM
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Why would any woman train to fight for an Org that won't put up a division to let them fight in?
7/11/12 6:34 PM
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Not interested. Watched a few fights and I find the image of a woman punched unconscious, lying on the floor, is quite disturbing.

Not denying the athletic ability of some of those women, but it just doesn't appeal to me. Phone Post
7/11/12 6:39 PM
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why have women fight in the ufc when they could just make me a sandwich?
7/11/12 6:40 PM
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Ugh.

People going on about this resurgence in womens MMA forget that ONLY Ronda Rousey is the star.

The second she loses it becomes a novelty like when Kimbo got beat.

I hope Cyborg beats her like she did Carano just so these articles cease to be.

I mean, remember Gina?

She was going to fight in the UFC?

Until Cyborg beat her and everyone shut the fuck up about women fighting in the UFC. Until now.

Rousey is getting pushed down our throats to the point she is like Laila Ali in that you know one name but there are no others in the game.

Cyborg will beat her and then we can knock this off until the next pretty MMA female fighter comes along. Phone Post
7/11/12 6:41 PM
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Fighters Only, web monkey
please, no women in the ufc, ever.

if rousey is put on a UFC card at any point that will be shark-jumping moment for me (and i absolutely love her)

not enough depth in division and to be brutally honest, i have no interest whatsoever in watching women fight. I dont know why there is so much pressure to have women in MMAs premier league when there is not equal pressure for women in the NFL, NBA etc. Please dont do it UFC

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